Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables????
[Re: tpabayflyer]
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I bought a cheap summit battery relocation kit and I am wondering how do I connect all the fusible link connectors???? I have 2 seperate ones coming off the original battery positive cable. Do I need to get some kind of solenoid type relay???? What has anyone else done with their mostly street driven car with the battery moved to the back??? TIA TBF
Some neat diagrams there.
The important thing to remember is keep it simple.
I'm assuming the kit came with a box, a length of wire and a 2 pin cutoff switch.
nhra rules require that the shutoff be in the positive side, and that when the switch is thrown, all electrical operation will cease(including the running of the car)
Run the big wire from the switch in the back, up to the starter relay. Just like if the battery was still up front. Route your fuse links to the same place they were(I'm assuming on the relay post).
then a short heavy wire from the switch to the plus side of the batt.
Then ground the neg side to the body with a really clean connection, and a heavy wire. You have to have a really good heavy ground on the motor to the body also(unless you plan on running a ground wire up to the motor from the trunk too).
The problem then becomes, if you flip the switch, with it set up like this, it will keep running. The alt still supplies power.
How to stop it? I have found the simplest way is to disconnect the alternator main wire from the alt. Then run a new wire direct from the alt main to the plus side of the battery,( or the same side of the cutoff switch that the battery is on). Then when the switch is thrown, the alt is isolated, WITH the battery, from the rest of the car, and it quits running.
The other plus to doing it this way, , is that you have also bypassed your ammeter at the same time, so that will never strand you again.
No solenoids etc.. needed
I'm sure you;ll get more suggestions
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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Read carefully what Dave571 posted, and test it this way: Turn off ALL loads, radio, and any solid state (stereo) loads, lights, etc.
Run the car at a good high fast idle, and flip the disconnect off
The car should stop running. If not, you need to change the alternator wiring. There are several ways to do so, but probably the simplest is to run TWO hots to the trunk, a #6 or so from the alternator to the battery, or you can run an extra relay to kill the alternator, or you can buy a 4 post switch and put the small posts in the regulator supply lead.
This is very important. If you should wreck with the engine running for some reason, you want to be able to kill everything
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: RobX4406]
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10/07/08 10:49 PM
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If its a street car ya really dont gotta worry bout killing the alt power with the shut off. Think about it, if your in an accident who's gonna think to look for a kill switch? I done mine like Goody did. Mounted the battery in the trunk. 1 fat ground cable straight to the frame through the trunk pan. Ran the positive to the front and put it where the normal + cable woulda went and ran a short one off the same relay post to the big starter terminal. Also made a fat ground to go from the block to the frame rail in the front. Works great, never a voltage or charging issue.
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: justinp61]
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10/08/08 11:36 AM
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Where (in the car) did you guys run you're main wire to the front? I've thought about running it up the drivers side along the door sill and through the firewall. This way it's not exposed under the car.
Thats what I did, ran it through the interior. I used a grommet through the firewall that was there (think its for factory clutch linkage?) to keep it isolated. No issues
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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10/08/08 12:58 PM
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Me too, didnt want it under the cars to get beat and knicked up and cause a problem.
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables????
[Re: tpabayflyer]
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Well, I didn't use a cut off switch. What I ran was some double ott welding cabling wire, with welding disconnects. Ran an 8 guage wire to stater relay. do yourself a favor, and get yourself a marine style battery box for your battery. Vent it out thru the trunk or something. Those Hydrogen fumes will rot the metal in the trunk !
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: RobX4406]
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10/08/08 11:32 PM
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Another approach.
I personally like to keep a minimum of potential hot wires to the front.
Rob, the way you have that set up, the solenoid is redundant. If you just run the wire you show, IE jumper around the solenoid, and run the alternator "hot" to the battery direct, you don't even need the solenoid
So far as running the cable, I used to run mine the same route as the tail lamp harness, except I believe I ran mine up the pass side.
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables????
[Re: tpabayflyer]
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10/09/08 12:09 PM
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You need to make the positive battery wire to the front at least two sizes larger than the ground. If they are the same size and you get a ground in the system they will both heat up like a heating element. If you make the short negative cable in the trunk smaller only it will heat up and reduce the chance of a fire. I had this happen during a race. The starter came loose and grounded the positive cable. It toasted the negative cable but the positive cable was stone cold. I ran 00 welding cable from front to back and a 4 gauge ground in the trunk. If they had been the same size then the positive wire would have lit up also and been a 20ft burning wire. If you run a solinoid on the main battery cable to only make the main positive live only while cranking it will eliminate that specific problem once the car is running, but it is still a hazard when cranking. Don't make the negative smaller make the positive larger.
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: StandOnIt]
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10/10/08 12:04 AM
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One thing to think about. If you put the battery in the trunk without the master cutoff and take it to the track at all, it will not pass tech inspection. Not even for street test and tune.
Wanna bet ?? Ron
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: 383man]
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10/10/08 01:35 AM
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The track safety guys are funny. Sometimes they can be a hardazz and other times they are ok. The ones I've seen never had a check off list so it is easy to forget to look for something. Rules state if you have a gas tank in the trunk you have to have a metal firewall between the trunk and the passenger compartment. They never asked me about it but gave me a hard time about the centercaps being on the wheels. If they see a familar car at the track they tend to just wave you on esp if they think someone checked you once before.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: dave571]
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10/10/08 08:19 AM
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It does depend on the track.
At our local track there is absolutely no way they would let you run with a batt in the trunk, and no master shutoff.
Ditto, Ron where do you race? Capitol, 75/80 and M/D all check for an on-off switch if the battery is in the trunk
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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10/12/08 01:38 AM
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It does depend on the track.
At our local track there is absolutely no way they would let you run with a batt in the trunk, and no master shutoff.
Ditto, Ron where do you race? Capitol, 75/80 and M/D all check for an on-off switch if the battery is in the trunk
I have run at Cecil and Mason Dixon. In fact this pic is from Mason Dixon and the tech guy never checked much of anything on my 63. I had the hood up and he came over and said...........is that a 426 ??? I said why yes it is and he said well then 426 is your car # today and thats about it. Ron
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: 383man]
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10/12/08 05:17 PM
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Mark at MAD Electrical http://www.madelectrical.com/ has a kit that will help you with all the cables and pieces you need to hook it up right.
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: tpabayflyer]
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10/14/08 02:56 AM
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Instead of using a Ford starter relay , which has no neutral safety terminal, use a Jeep relay . It looks like a Ford relay but it has an extra terminal for the neutral switch . You can get it at NAPA , Echlin # ST-83 . As far as the starter shorting out, run a strap across the terminals on the starter , then run a cable to the ST-83 . This way the starter cable is only "hot" when the starter is engaged . I run this setup on my '65 Belvedere .
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Re: Moving battery to trunk.. how to connect the cables
[Re: Pentastar440]
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10/22/08 08:13 AM
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As far as the starter shorting out, run a strap across the terminals on the starter , then run a cable to the ST-83 . This way the starter cable is only "hot" when the starter is engaged.
I run this setup on my '65 Belvedere .
I read somewhere that it wasn't a good idea to "run a strap across the terminals on the starter" I can't remember why they said not to though.
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