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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: moparmedic]
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11/17/12 08:23 PM
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[quote I would agree with partially disassembling the engine for inspection. on the other hand, do you have the tools like mic's and bore guage and expertise to measure everything and reassemble it properly on your own? if not it might be a can of worms.
That's really the problem, I have no idea what to look for except nice freshly milled iron and I don't have the tools to check it. Sounds like a good deal if it is what he says it is but you never know for sure.
Can u get someone from the board who is near you to measure the important stuff for you? There are plenty of great guys on here who are normally willing to help.
Also, maybe don't be so skeptical, everyone isn't out to "get you". Lol.
I did the unthinkable. I bought a used engine, unseen, from over 1000 miles away from someone I only spoke to by phone with a description and like 4 pictures. I had a really good feeling about the guy. I paid to have it shipped, with him assisting me on crating it, painted it, swapped a car pan/pickup, and put it in my car. Dialed in the carb and timing, and then drove it over 1100 miles from FL to TX  Its still running strong. What kind of gut feeling do you get from the guy. Its a huge plus that he's local.
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: moparmedic]
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11/19/12 10:17 AM
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That's really the problem, I have no idea what to look for except nice freshly milled iron and I don't have the tools to check it. Sounds like a good deal if it is what he says it is but you never know for sure.
Keep in mind that in any machine-shop thread on here, lots of people will tell you to double check their work and measure everything. So you can get a $4000 rebuild or $1100 rebuilt engine - same advice to remeasure it.
As mentioned, if you get good vibes from teh guy, take a chance. If you have some time, buy $3-400 worth of measuring tools and a blueprinting book and learn about measuring while become familiar with your new engine. Might last forever and be the cheapest engine you'll ever buy.
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69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: Fury Fan]
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11/19/12 11:17 AM
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I'm with Roe, if your gut feels good & you open it up a bit & it ain't rusty then I would jump on it. He wont object to a bit of surgery as he's potentially going to get a grand in his pocket & if he did squawk then get a set of gaskets & button her up & call it good. But his 4K quote does sound a bit inflated but I cant say for sure on that
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: RapidRobert]
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11/19/12 12:23 PM
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I couldnt help myself and went and looked at it yesterday, and bought it. It was obvious that all the internals were new at the time of the rebuild and that there had been extensive machine work (bored, and balanced, and rebuilt 915 heads. It also came with a brand new performer RPM intake and a brand new Mopar electronic ignition conversion all still in the boxes. He also threw in the engine stand it was on. We haggled a bit and I think I got a good deal.
I will take it to a machinist to be sure everything is good to go.
Thanks for the advice, hopefully this works out in my favor.
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1966 A100 Pickup
1967 Barracuda
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: moparmedic]
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11/19/12 12:30 PM
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So <$1100 for a rebuilt engine, with a perfomance build, + $400 worth of intake and ignition, and an engine stand? 
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: dogdays]
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11/19/12 06:25 PM
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Yeah, I think I did good. Super nice guy and I believed his story and it appears to be as described.
1968 Coronet
1968 Charger
1966 A100 Pickup
1967 Barracuda
1970 Challenger
1972 Challenger
1973 Barracuda
2021 Ram 2500
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: roe]
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11/19/12 06:43 PM
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[quote I would agree with partially disassembling the engine for inspection. on the other hand, do you have the tools like mic's and bore guage and expertise to measure everything and reassemble it properly on your own? if not it might be a can of worms.
That's really the problem, I have no idea what to look for except nice freshly milled iron and I don't have the tools to check it. Sounds like a good deal if it is what he says it is but you never know for sure.
Can u get someone from the board who is near you to measure the important stuff for you? There are plenty of great guys on here who are normally willing to help.
Also, maybe don't be so skeptical, everyone isn't out to "get you". Lol.
I did the unthinkable. I bought a used engine, unseen, from over 1000 miles away from someone I only spoke to by phone with a description and like 4 pictures. I had a really good feeling about the guy. I paid to have it shipped, with him assisting me on crating it, painted it, swapped a car pan/pickup, and put it in my car. Dialed in the carb and timing, and then drove it over 1100 miles from FL to TX Its still running strong. What kind of gut feeling do you get from the guy. Its a huge plus that he's local.
I'm glad that worked out for you. I am usually trusting also and I like to think there are honest people left out there. But I did what you did...trusted the word of a stranger...and got burned. When I bought my "rebuilt" engine for $1800, he described it as ready to drop in and run. Rebuilt bottom end, heads with only 5000 miles on them, etc. He too was a really nice guy and made all the right noises....really sounded solid. Well, the bottom end was done like he said, but the rest of the engine was little more than scrap metal. If I had tried to start it, all kinds of carnage would have happened. When I called him to ask why he screwed me, he didn't return my call. Shocker.
In any case, I sincerely hope it works out for the OP...
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: bobs66440]
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11/19/12 07:06 PM
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Yeah, I hear you. This one will not get run without a trip to the machine shop.
1968 Coronet
1968 Charger
1966 A100 Pickup
1967 Barracuda
1970 Challenger
1972 Challenger
1973 Barracuda
2021 Ram 2500
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: dogdays]
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11/19/12 07:14 PM
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I agree. If you listen to all the old ladies on this board you will end up with $5000 stock 383s.
Now if you're turning it to 9500rpm, things change. But we seem to forget that engines are just lumps of iron and aluminum. The fact that the guy's local and you had a good feeling about it even after listening to all the carping means it's most likely going to work out for you.
R.
God forbid people on the board look out for one another .
I know of at least one board member getting taken by another board member with a TAILLIGHT WARRANTY ...
I personally looked at the engine and passed on it because I didn't like what I saw/was told along with said taillight warranty, the member that bought it was so lucky ...
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: JohnRR]
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11/19/12 07:49 PM
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I appreciated hearing both sides which is why I posted the question. I had to go look for myself because it sounded good, maybe too good, but was only an hour drive so what the heck.
I will post what the final outcome is after I get it back from the machine shop.
1968 Coronet
1968 Charger
1966 A100 Pickup
1967 Barracuda
1970 Challenger
1972 Challenger
1973 Barracuda
2021 Ram 2500
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: JohnRR]
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11/20/12 10:34 AM
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If you listen to all the old ladies on this board you will end up with $5000 stock 383s.
God forbid people on the board look out for one another .
But you can't deny there is a strong contingent of folks that believe anything not done to the nth degree, or was done by somebody else, is junk and worth only core price so that it can be redone again 'properly'. That's why the $5000 383 remark.
When it's someone else's money, people frequently lose sight of the original budget and/or goals (yes, I know OPs don't always tell us).
Parts I seek:
driver doorpanel, 65 Sport Fury, prefer black, needs to be 7-8 on 10 scale, might buy set
16" x 6" Dodge truck wheel(s), from early 70s?, takes 9" dogdish - need for a research job so cheaper is better.
69-73 C-body caliper brackets and/or splashields
Send a PM.
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: Fury Fan]
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11/20/12 12:24 PM
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If you listen to all the old ladies on this board you will end up with $5000 stock 383s.
God forbid people on the board look out for one another .
But you can't deny there is a strong contingent of folks that believe anything not done to the nth degree, or was done by somebody else, is junk and worth only core price so that it can be redone again 'properly'. That's why the $5000 383 remark.
When it's someone else's money, people frequently lose sight of the original budget and/or goals (yes, I know OPs don't always tell us).
Point taken and I have a $5000 383 because the last 2 PROFESSIONAL engine shops screwed things up, just because it's freshly rebuilt does not mean it's right.
Everything to me is a CORE unless I personally know who did it and what equipment it was done on.
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: dogdays]
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11/20/12 04:07 PM
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A warranty that expires when the seller can no longer see your taillights as you drive away.
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Re: Buying a rebuilt engine that has never been run
[Re: BSB67]
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11/21/12 02:46 AM
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My goal is a good reliable street engine.
Dropped it off at the machine shop this morning. They should be able to tell me whether I did good or not next week sometime.
1968 Coronet
1968 Charger
1966 A100 Pickup
1967 Barracuda
1970 Challenger
1972 Challenger
1973 Barracuda
2021 Ram 2500
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