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Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: Mopar Ron] #1334531
11/14/12 08:57 PM
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I know I don't have a say in this [although if I stand too close, I might end up aligning it eventually], but...

...does Craig have frugal and workable alternatives, other than putting Pinto hardware under all that weight?



Down to just a blue car now.
Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: 68HemiB] #1334532
11/14/12 09:22 PM
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I know I don't have a say in this [although if I stand too close, I might end up aligning it eventually], but...

...does Craig have frugal and workable alternatives, other than putting Pinto hardware under all that weight?






actually a A100 with a V8 weighs in at just around 3000lbs(a 78 V8 mustang II is around 3300lbs)
I know of a lot heaver streetrods that have the must II frontend in them and they work just fine.
I would trust one upwards of 3600-3700lbs.
we will be using a fatman crossmember and they are made from 3/16 plate and we would be going with tube "A" arms as well as a power rack and 11" brakes

I don't see a problem using one, but we are open to any different ideas
I have no problem using something that looks like it would be better.

I have thought hard about the Dakota because they also have a rack mounted in front but with some quick measurements it looks like it might be just a hair to wide, dakota's have wheels with about 5 1/2" back space, if you go with anything else the front track get pretty close to the fender.

we are still looking,any ideas would be help full.
but as of now I lean towards the must II Ron...

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Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: Mopar Ron] #1334533
11/15/12 12:19 AM
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Keep your ideas coming they are all very helpful!

Craig

Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: JonGottaDemonDad] #1334534
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AMC Pacer IFS...If the frame rails are 32 or a little less it would work perfectly. You can go slightly wider but if you are around 34 you will have to cut into the spring pockets and use narrower springs.

I'm trying to see if I can get one in my 68 Scout but I'm at roughly 34 inches for my frame.


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Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: Soopernaut] #1334535
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the pacer clip is notable because it uses chevy balljoints and tie rod ends and the downside is it uses a one year only rack and pinion that cannot be bought anywhere----so if you need a rebuild done you have to hope the builder sends it back to you----a good hodrod clip to consider is the jaguar XJ6--the only downside here is a rear steer rack that may make you set the motor back an inch or 2 more---the upside is it is more narrow than the dakota or crown vic and the independent rear is made of dana 44 components too....bob

Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: savoy64] #1334536
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Great thread! Thanks to everyone here for all the helpful input.

Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: JonsGottaDusta] #1334537
11/15/12 02:42 PM
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You are welcome!
I would assume you want to slam it if Air Bags are in the plans. So how much handling are you planning on?
Sure something that has a roof at around 6 feet isn't going to kick butt on the Hotchkis Challenger, but some guys trade looks for corner G's, look at the gassers being built.
However if you want a good cornering van, another source is circle track stuff. It's often cheaper than rod stuff, because they have to meet a lower price point and the typical user buys more than one part per car, due to race damage.
Grab a Circle Track mag and send for catalogs.

Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: savoy64] #1334538
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the pacer clip is notable because it uses chevy balljoints and tie rod ends and the downside is it uses a one year only rack and pinion that cannot be bought anywhere----so if you need a rebuild done you have to hope the builder sends it back to you----




Are you sure the Pacer uses Chevy ball joints and tie rod ends? If so, do you know the Chevy application?

It uses a 6 year only rack and pinion and it is available from what I've researched, but still not a common item. Here is a link to a Mustang rack installed on a Pacer. http://pacertruck.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/installing-a-mustang-rack-pinion-in-a-pacer/

There are aftermarket brakes available plus disc brake conversions for the drum brake models. Also the spindles are 2 piece and all brake components interchange from the 40s to the 80s other than the Eagles. You also get to keep your 5 on 4.5 inch bolt pattern unlike the Jag swap.


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Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: Soopernaut] #1334539
11/16/12 10:06 PM
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We are looking at the aftermarket application so we are going to purchase a custom mustang II crossmember like the one below.

http://www.fulltiltstreetrods.com/cross_members.htm

This crossmember will be a custom width for our application. With the A100 the rack is behind the steering wheel so everything is reversed which takes out your typical standard passenger application. I have done alot of reading and still a noob when it comes to this work and all that is entails.

Ron (Mopar Ron) is the street rod expert so I am gleaning from his 40 years of experience to get this job done right.

We want to use the truck for a variety of purposes from daily driver to making some longer trip around SoCal for a business we are starting.

Currently we are not planning to autocross the truck but it will make some passes at Barona when it is all done. But I am certainly open to all suggestions when it comes to making this vehicle handle better.

We are hoping the A100 and a 5.7 Hemi drive train will do pretty good on the 1/8 mile.

It will take some time to read though all the link you have posted the resources are amazing.

I love your suggestions as we are investigating each one for the best direction for this build.

We actually put the A100 up for sale for a few months since we have a few project already in the yard. We had people offer to take it off our hands at junkyard prices so I decided to keep it and build it to drive around town.

Your knowledge is helping to influence our direction!

Craig

Re: 1965 A100 pickup conversion to Mustang II [Re: JonGottaDemonDad] #1334540
11/16/12 10:12 PM
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As far as how low to go (air bags) I am not sure yet. All depends how much work it is going to take to get there.

We want to make it look cool but also keep it practical.

Craig

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