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K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? #1314823
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Any one out there have a good reference for what chassis, dana and other mechanical parts are suppose to be gloss black vs flat or satin, 1969 Charger?

I am ready to paint my K frame and under K frame shield and am having a hard time finding a reference.

There is also a black crossmember that goes behind the grill that bolts to the valvance, should that be flat black?

I have looked for a site or book with paint info on the B-Bodies and have not had much luck.

Thanks,
CAC

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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1314824
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Ok, I'm going to guess semi gloss on the k frame and dana, I read somewhere that the metal splash can under the frame is natural


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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1314825
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gloss on the k frame
not sure about the dana

Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1314826
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gloss black dulled down maybe 15-20 % ----- kind of a cross between gloss black and satin black.
basically you just want to take the glass like shine off of them.

Duplicolor gloss back engine enamel is fairly close if you going to use rattle cans( not advisable)

I had a K frame powder coated and I think it came back to glossy/shiny. But the customer likes it so it stays as is.

Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: gtx6970] #1314827
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Had both the K and rear powdered, semi. Looks awesome to me

Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 71rm23] #1314828
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I used the Rust o Leum satin (semi gloss) black . . . turned out great !!! For the k member, blasted it clean, then primed it and THEN painted it ! . . .

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Just bought the Eastwood 2K Extreem Chasis Semi Gloss Black with primer kit. I've heard good stuff about it. I'll post the results.

Still not sure on the color for the metal splash shield that goes under the frame and has the 1/4 rubber piece stapled to it. Found one article for a 71 Duster where the shop left it natural, but can't find a real reference.

How come none of these "Mopar Restoration Guide" books ever give a break down on what to paint what? Guess it varied factory to factory.

Thanks!

CAC


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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1314830
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OK, I know this is the 10th time I've said it but;

- both parts were gloss black from the factory. Semi gloss was a GM thing. That having been said the cheapo factory gloss black wasn't exactly done with a high degree of quality in mind and it is easy to overdo it, using better materials, coverage and methods than the factory did...which is why Bill and others have suggested knocking it back from full gloss.







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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: DPelletier] #1314831
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i fully agree with the gloss black-but a lot of people look at the black on parts and because that gloss black is 40+ years old with nothing but weathering and being degreased and washed with all sorts it has now turned flat to semi gloss and people are trying to match that as a finish on a restoration. do them gloss but they were not a gloss black like the outside of a black car at sema- the paint was a brown/grey black and not like todays paints so the shine level is not a mirror black.
anyway that`s my
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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 1cuda] #1314832
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Definitely a gloss black ring left under the K-frame bolt/washer.


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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: kentj340] #1314833
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Im going to go with the idea that todays paints have more solids and are superior in gloss therefore a full gloss will be more glossy. Theres nothing for us to compare to because unrestored cars will still have 43+ year old paint on the parts.

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I have NOS wheels and NOS rearend housings.

Regardless of what the paint was originally called, by today's standards it is definitely not "gloss" black.

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To my eye, the only suspension part that was full gloss was the torsion bars; and they appear to have been dipped.


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I changed my order to Gloss Black which is 85% gloss. The semi gloss is 60 - 70% gloss. Its hard to compare apples to oranges as the materials have changed. Even if this is too glossy, after a few years it will be right, till a few years later, when it dulls!

Now if I could just figure out the color for the rest of my parts.......... torsion bars gloss black, Check. Would priming them make the paint too thick and crack the paint as they twist?


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Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: 69rrgrabber] #1314837
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the tortion bars were dipped directly over the bare steel-they were then painted with inspection stripes according to what number bar it was. horns were also dipped and you can work out the hanging point quite easily.
all the best
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Quote:

OK, I know this is the 10th time I've said it but;

- both parts were gloss black from the factory. Semi gloss was a GM thing. That having been said the cheapo factory gloss black wasn't exactly done with a high degree of quality in mind and it is easy to overdo it, using better materials, coverage and methods than the factory did...which is why Bill and others have suggested knocking it back from full gloss.







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Quote:

OK, I know this is the 10th time I've said it but;

- both parts were gloss black from the factory. Semi gloss was a GM thing. That having been said the cheapo factory gloss black wasn't exactly done with a high degree of quality in mind and it is easy to overdo it, using better materials, coverage and methods than the factory did...which is why Bill and others have suggested knocking it back from full gloss.











That's it. What needs to be considered is that the description for original "gloss" back in the day was just plain old gloss black, no flattening or dulling agents were used to reduce the shine. HOWEVER, the quality of the paint was an inexpensive industrial grade, and that it was applied in rapid fashion with no regard to the resulting appearance. It's purpose was a basic metal protection so the raw steel didn't rust immediately and likely as a mask so that the undercarriage didn't show when the car was being viewed from a few feet away. All this adds up to a duller looking black that you'd see on a finish painted surface such as the outside of the car painted with a higher quality paint. How do you reproduce the exact look of original? It's not as easy as it may seem, personally I'd clean the part to bare metal, prep it to "clean" status, spray a thin coat of primer sealer on, buy the cheapest single stage "gloss" black enamel and paint it on thin and fast and let it end up where it ends up.

*Most NOS K-members had a protective primer/sealer on them, usually a light or darker grey color, or rust red (depended on the era) but production line units may not have had any. Also, some early K-members (1967 and earlier in particular) were not gloss black! They were actually a very dark gloss gray, it looks black at a glance but sitting next to black it's a long ways away from black.

*Cass, I have no doubt that your parts are as described and certainly contribute to the knowledge base about original parts detailing, however, NOS/replacement parts were often finished differently than production line parts so you really can't use them as the final word in production line correctness.

Re: K-Frame and Rear End:: Gloss or Flat Black? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1314840
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PPG black lacquar gets the color close as it is a little grayer than the enamels, shine is about right too, might not be the best choice for durability. I would use black enamel with a little gray and flattening agent added, still shines but not like straight single stage. I used straight PPG single stage black with hardner and it is WAY too bright, but I did not want to use cheap paint. I just can't shoot something dull after all the prep work.

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This the best picture I have. This was taken out doors with no flash on a party cloudy day with no flash

This is simple single stage enamel dulled down maybe 20% give or take . ( I just kept playing with it until I was happy with the end result)

And IMO, is very close to the real deal , again In MY Opinion only

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Brake booster using the same method.
Picture taken indoors under shop lighting with no flash

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