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plastic straw in cylinder #1312327 09/29/12 10:44 AM 09/29/12 10:44 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 571 central PA M mopartial OP mopar
mopartial OP mopar M Joined: May 2003 Posts: 571 central PA	I was spraying lube into small block cylinder for winterization and the little plastic straw fell off and into cylinder. Gonna be tough to fish out. Im thinking it would vaporize and get blown out of there on re-starting. Anyone have thoughts on this? If it aint broke, dont break it.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312328 09/29/12 12:41 PM 09/29/12 12:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt.	Don't start it!!! It will not vaporize instantly!!! It could hang a valve open a little bit and bend it when the piston comes up!!! I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312329 09/29/12 01:19 PM 09/29/12 01:19 PM
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71sat440 I Live Here Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 13,878 Willow Grove PA	I did that before, on my mustangs 4.6. I was able to take the plenum off and suck it out with a vacuum.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: 71sat440] #1312330 09/29/12 01:27 PM 09/29/12 01:27 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 571 central PA M mopartial OP mopar
mopartial OP mopar M Joined: May 2003 Posts: 571 central PA	Ugh! I should have quit after fogging thru carb. This is in a bilge and hard to reach which is why it happened in the first place...this is not gonna be fun. Anyway thanks for replies... If it aint broke, dont break it.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312331 09/29/12 02:59 PM 09/29/12 02:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	I had that happen once & I ran it no problem. could duct tape the end of your shop vac down to a piece of vac line of the appropriate diameter & see if you could fish it out live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: RapidRobert] #1312332 09/29/12 03:49 PM 09/29/12 03:49 PM
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CrazyD super stock C Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 905	Surgeon's forceps. I bought a pair at a swap meet, use them all the time to retrieve things out of tight spots.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: CrazyD] #1312333 09/29/12 04:19 PM 09/29/12 04:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,998 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,998 Benton, IL.	You may get another straw just like it and see if brake clean or lacquer thinner or something like that will melt it. If so, you can then spray some of it in the cylinder to at least partially melt it and then run it to do away with the rest of it. Master, again and still

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: DaveRS23] #1312334 09/29/12 04:31 PM 09/29/12 04:31 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,880 Out in Left Field, NY B bobs66440 top fuel
bobs66440 top fuel B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,880 Out in Left Field, NY	I would slowly bring it up to TDC (to get it as close to the hole as possible) then tape a hose to the end of a shop vac as mentioned and try to suck it out. Good luck...

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: bobs66440] #1312335 09/29/12 04:32 PM 09/29/12 04:32 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Oh for pete's sake. I once dropped a check ball from my carb down the plenum. I said nuts to it and ran the 318, no problems and it's been over 10 years now. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Supercuda] #1312336 09/29/12 05:37 PM 09/29/12 05:37 PM
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Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: rth] #1312337 09/29/12 06:09 PM 09/29/12 06:09 PM
Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,819 South Bend John Brown top fuel
John Brown top fuel Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,819 South Bend	The magic fingers gripper tool might do the job. July 19th should be "Drive Like Rockford Day". R.I.P. Jimmie.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: John Brown] #1312338 09/29/12 10:14 PM 09/29/12 10:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl B bonefish master
bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	if you take take the springs of the valve and let it drop down youll have plenty of room to fish it out.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: bonefish] #1312339 09/29/12 11:44 PM 09/29/12 11:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,497 God's Country Maryland GODSCOUNTRY340 top fuel
GODSCOUNTRY340 top fuel Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,497 God's Country Maryland	That little straw is not going to hurt the engine. Even if it does get hung up in a valve if your valve springs aren't strong enough to crush that little tube of plastic you've got other problems. Start that sucker and let it melt away! I love the smell of Deer guts in the morning, it smells like... VICTORY!

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Supercuda] #1312340 09/30/12 08:14 AM 09/30/12 08:14 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Oh for pete's sake. I once dropped a check ball from my carb down the plenum. I said nuts to it and ran the 318, no problems and it's been over 10 years now. You're making that up, aren't you.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Commando1] #1312341 09/30/12 09:24 AM 09/30/12 09:24 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	Quote: Quote: Oh for pete's sake. I once dropped a check ball from my carb down the plenum. I said nuts to it and ran the 318, no problems and it's been over 10 years now. You're making that up, aren't you. I had a 1/4-20 nut fall down an intake runner,fired it off and it made a heck of a noise till it spit it out the header. sounded like the rattle ball in a can of paint while idling. didnt seem to hurt anything,ran it for a few yrs after that. when i R&R the head it looked like a shotgun blast with birdshot. thousands of small nicks in the top of piston but none on the head or cyl. exhast vale had normal carbon pitting. so maybe he is not makeing that up. with the plastic straw??? I would think it would melt and not damage anything. but then again the melted plastic could get into the ring land and stick a ring in the groove or something like that. do you feel lucky? then roll the dice. if in doubt??? get it out. Last edited by scratchnfotraction; 09/30/12 09:25 AM.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1312342 09/30/12 11:26 AM 09/30/12 11:26 AM
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Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1312343 09/30/12 12:01 PM 09/30/12 12:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: but then again the melted plastic could get into the ring land and stick a ring in the groove or something like that. that's what I was thinking would be a worst case scenerio tho IMO it'd likely just burn up but I would fish or vacuum it out (1) for peace of mind and (2) to accept that mistakes do happen (Murphys law) and (3) that you have the skill to rectify any adversity that does comes your way (cause it wont be the last). Holler how it turns out live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312344 09/30/12 01:23 PM 09/30/12 01:23 PM
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GreenGlow member G Joined: May 2011 Posts: 159 Arizona	I had the camera from an inspection camera get chopped off in a cylinder when my neighbors kid saw the pretty red button hanging off the side of the car and pushed it. It was a remote start button and I had the camera in a cylinder of my brand new engine. I thought about leaving it in there after trying to get it out for a day and a half but decided no to. I was able to get it out by rolling the motor over until the piston was all the way up the camera would roll down just below the spark plug hole I took a plastic art paint brush and put a little gorilla snot ( 3M weatherstrip adhesive ) on it poked around a few times but finally stuck to it and I got it out. A plastic straw would be easier because it will bend a little to get it out of the plug hole. The camera only fit out of the hole one way so it took some time to get lucky. I would be inclined to just leave the plastic straw in there I would think it would melt and burn up turning to harmless ash the will come out of the exhaust. I think this is a coin toss situation.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Commando1] #1312345 09/30/12 02:01 PM 09/30/12 02:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: Quote: Oh for pete's sake. I once dropped a check ball from my carb down the plenum. I said nuts to it and ran the 318, no problems and it's been over 10 years now. You're making that up, aren't you. Nope, serious. Heck, it was "just" a 318 and I had a 360 on the stand as back up anyway and it would have been just as easy to swap engines as it would have been to pull both heads looking for it. Years later I swapped the 318 into another ride (still have it) and I pulled the heads to look. A few little divots in the top of the piston is all. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Adobedude] #1312346 09/30/12 02:38 PM 09/30/12 02:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl B bonefish master
bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	what kind oilpump you usin,i want one.i tiny little shard trashed mine.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: bonefish] #1312347 09/30/12 02:56 PM 09/30/12 02:56 PM
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Adobedude pro stock A Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,260 New Mexico	Quote: what kind oilpump you usin,i want one.i tiny little shard trashed mine. Melling std volumn...I was a tad bit surprised when I saw the parts on the pick up, truck had good oil pressure, but I pulled the pump apart...Had a few marks so I tossed it. Some of the the intake valve guides were broken off too... 2001 Dodge Dakota 408 All Motor 11.27 @ 117.83 mph 2017 NM Mopar Challenge Series Champion.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Adobedude] #1312348 09/30/12 08:05 PM 09/30/12 08:05 PM
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RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	I'd be afraid the melted plastic would cause some damage? I wouldn't use glue. It might get in the cylinder. It's a tough one but maybe you could use a coat hanger and attach some duct tape to it with a sticky side out and fish the straw out? One layer sticky side down and overlap it with the layer sticky side out and roll it under at the end. I think it would not be too thick to fit thru the plug hole and should be safe enough it won't fall off? Can you see the straw with a flash light?

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312349 09/30/12 08:54 PM 09/30/12 08:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	I've had this happen a few times, I take a air hose and blow it in the hole and the tube flys out.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Challenger 1] #1312350 09/30/12 09:54 PM 09/30/12 09:54 PM
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mopartial OP mopar M Joined: May 2003 Posts: 571 central PA	Not feeling too lucky plus ticked off at myself for letting this happen, so I was determined to get it out... I had to remove this little wooden partition in the bilge, then doing a headstand, I could see the spark plug hole... (Thru the hole is the little fiberoptic light thingy.) 7401419-straw.JPG (146 downloads) If it aint broke, dont break it.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312351 09/30/12 09:56 PM 09/30/12 09:56 PM
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mopartial OP mopar M Joined: May 2003 Posts: 571 central PA	This was encouraging but the rest wasn't all that easy. I brought piston up to make it easier to reach. And straw got binded up in there. (?at piston top or in a closing valve?) So just for more drama it came out in two pieces. Mission accomplished. Is oiling each cylinder even helpful after a thorough fogging thru carb? Thanks to all posters. 7401422-done.JPG (275 downloads) If it aint broke, dont break it.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312352 09/30/12 09:57 PM 09/30/12 09:57 PM
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Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312353 09/30/12 10:28 PM 09/30/12 10:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: Is oiling each cylinder even helpful after a thorough fogging thru carb? alot if not all will be burned off. yes GENEROUSLY lube each cyl at the plug hole & hand turn it over to coat the walls live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: Supercuda] #1312354 10/01/12 08:38 AM 10/01/12 08:38 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Quote: You're making that up, aren't you. Nope, serious. Heck, it was "just" a 318 Yah, I can understand that thinking. Pfffttt....Girly-man small block so no big loss.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312355 10/01/12 10:09 AM 10/01/12 10:09 AM
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Mapandjlp mopar M Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 509 Middle River, MD	Quote: Is oiling each cylinder even helpful after a thorough fogging thru carb? Thanks to all posters. For years, I've just run the motors while I spray fogger into the carb until they choke out. Never pulled the plugs to fog the cylinders seperately. I've never had an issue.

Re: plastic straw in cylinder [Re: mopartial] #1312356 10/01/12 04:03 PM 10/01/12 04:03 PM
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52savoy master 5 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,230 State of retirement	Good to see you got it figured out. It could have been the "straw that broke the camels..."

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