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68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/26/12 01:22 PM
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I had mine rechromed. Does anyone have any pics of how they should be repainted? I kinda have an idea but not sure. Also, what shades of black and silver. Dark Argent and Semi gloss black?
Love them 68 MOPARS! GTS 340 auto, Charger R/T 440 4-speed, Superbee 383 auto, GTX 440 auto, D100 (new front frame 5.7 hemi - in process), Formula S 340 4-Speed A/C (it's green), 383 auto Roadrunner (maybe a hemi - waiting) and a 68 W200 Power Wagon. Drivers: 07 Cummins and 14 Ecodiesel 4x4.
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 01:05 AM
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That would be my guess as well.
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as long as you look good doing it!
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 03:18 PM
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I remember my buddies were chrome. I dont remember any paint at all on them. And they said "383-S" on them as he had an original 383 Formula S 4-speed 68 Cuda. Ron
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 05:09 PM
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I remember my buddies were chrome. I dont remember any paint at all on them. And they said "383-S" on them as he had an original 383 Formula S 4-speed 68 Cuda. Ron
No, originally they have black and gritty argent on them. Like 69 GTX tailpanels.
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 07:48 PM
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The ones on my '68 340-S were chromed, darkish argent in the recesses. Any detailing - can't recall exactly whether there was, maybe a band around the perimeter - was black.
Yes. That's how mine are. But matching the argent to what it was like 40 years ago is tough.
It's the color and texture of the argent that I'm concerned with. My worn inserts show a lot of silver metalic compared to black darker contast in the mix. But the contrast agents may just have worn of faster than the silver metalic flakes. It looks like almost all metal flakes now.
I guess since no one has posted pics of an primo original or NOS set, I'll post my originals to show the paint layout.
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 07:56 PM
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 08:03 PM
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/29/12 08:05 PM
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/30/12 01:24 AM
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Maybe I'm off base here, but I thought the outer perimeter was chrome, with semi-black in the trough. I thought everything inside the black trough was textured argent as you see remaining left in the recesses (the rest is weathered away). Bolt heads are semi-black also. So in short, the only chrome finish is the rim around the edges and the 340-s text. On non-hp cars, the same perimeter chrome and black in the trough and bolts with chrome ribs/vents, the rest textured argent.
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68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph
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01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4
01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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09/30/12 04:31 AM
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Maybe I'm off base here, but I thought the outer perimeter was chrome, with semi-black in the trough. I thought everything inside the black trough was textured argent as you see remaining left in the recesses (the rest is weathered away). Bolt heads are semi-black also. So in short, the only chrome finish is the rim around the edges and the 340-s text. On non-hp cars, the same perimeter chrome and black in the trough and bolts with chrome ribs/vents, the rest textured argent.
Seems to make sense. I was waiting for someone to posted a NOS set or better yet some low mile originals. Oh well, at least we started to get some replies.
Ok here is an NOS 383-S set. Should be the same paint as 340-S. BUT...Always have a slight skeptism about NOS parts vs production. Especially trim items.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Barracuda-Formula-S-383-NOS-Hood-Insert-Mopar-/130480788336
Seems like there are two shades of textured argent used. And I think the darker texture has more texture/grit.
So here are some very nice used 340-S hood trim that look extremely close in condition and paint wear/survival as mine.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-68-Plymouth...ies&vxp=mtr
Just my personal guess, but I think that very top light argent faded or got scratched easily. I'm thinking it wore completely off or people put it out of it's misery and finished removing what was scratched or left worn with fine steel wool and/or paint thinner.
It seems the layout I posted is just missing the lighter argent and just the black on top of the bolt (possibly). My hood trim has the dark argent on the outer sides of the fake bolts. Now there my have been black paint on top of the argent along the outer sides, it's tough to really see on the NOS piece.
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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10/01/12 03:14 PM
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Seems like there are two shades of textured argent used. And I think the darker texture has more texture/grit.
Here is one of mine with remains of all of the paint.
I have sets of these in various stages of decay, but they all show the same paint scheme. The one pictured has ~95% coverage.
Outside edge - chrome; trough - black; main inner portion bounded by the trough - light argent; recesses around engine lettering and fake bolt heads - dark argent; fake bolt heads - black; engine lettering - chrome.
I did the feel test and put a magnifying glass on both shades of argent, and they appear to have the same texture. The paint is full of small squares of material, which appear to be the same size in each shade.
Now, as to whether the light and dark argent are the same light and dark argent used in wheel center caps, and grills and the like; or whether the black was originally gloss, or semi, or flat....no idea.
Robert
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AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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10/01/12 03:20 PM
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Here is a closeup of center area.
This pretty much corresponds with the purported NOS bezel.
Robert
AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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10/01/12 03:45 PM
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OK, now that you got me delving into this, I have noticed something interesting.
Here is a closeup of the corner of the "dark argent" depression around the engine numbers.
You can see the little square texture pieces. It look to me, through the magnifying glass, that the texture pieces are the same color in both the light and dark areas; they look like small flecks of metal.
It looks as though the difference in appearance is because the recessed area is painted black while the raised portion is chrome. You can see the square flecks laying across the black paint edge, implying that the metallic flake material was applied after a black paint coat.
Under magnifier, the light area looks just like the argent on some light center caps that I have.
Robert
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AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
70 Challenger S/E. 505 6 pack, Passon 5-speed, 3.55, B7 Blue
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Re: 68 Barracuda Formula S Hood Louvers
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10/01/12 06:27 PM
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OK, now that you got me delving into this, I have noticed something interesting.
Here is a closeup of the corner of the "dark argent" depression around the engine numbers.
You can see the little square texture pieces. It look to me, through the magnifying glass, that the texture pieces are the same color in both the light and dark areas; they look like small flecks of metal.
It looks as though the difference in appearance is because the recessed area is painted black while the raised portion is chrome. You can see the square flecks laying across the black paint edge, implying that the metallic flake material was applied after a black paint coat.
Under magnifier, the light area looks just like the argent on some light center caps that I have.
Robert
This seems more likely to me, doesn't seem they would mask twice for 2 shades of argent. And the recessed areas would accumulate more dirt/ and be worn less from scrubbing sponges and rags over the years, further giving them a darker appearance.
Last edited by GO_Fish; 10/01/12 06:30 PM.
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68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph
69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph
01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4
01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph
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