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Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299439 09/08/12 02:50 PM 09/08/12 02:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299440 09/08/12 06:36 PM 09/08/12 06:36 PM
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BPE mopar Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 458 Michigan	I will say 583 hp and 552 tq. But whatever the numbers are I hope it does what you want in the car. Rod

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299441 09/08/12 07:54 PM 09/08/12 07:54 PM
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fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	its gonna be stout either way...best of luck and have fun

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299442 09/08/12 08:29 PM 09/08/12 08:29 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! Alot of people argue over happy dynos low dynos and lets not forget the infamous track. I would like to know. If a car is not sorted out properly does the MPH dictate what ET you would be able to run with a good car? Does the MPH stay constant (to a degree) even if the ET is lacking??

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299443 09/08/12 09:11 PM 09/08/12 09:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	We race CARS, so it only makes sense, to me anyway, that the car needs to be as good as the engine, trans, etc... So if you don't pay alot of attention to things that help mph like front end alignment, tires, pressure, oil viscosity, brake drag, and such your not going to get all you can. It's easy to say on the net that your cars mph is xxx but what it takes to achieve that is probably not so easy. Truth is different dyno brands will show different #'s...hell same brand dyno's can show different #'s depending on so many things. Just like flow benches. In the end, what the car runs is also dependant on many many things. I see alot of customers that want a certain mph or e.t. but may not be willing to work on the car until they get it...if they buy an engine they figure it's the engine builders responsibility to make their car meet their expectations. Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299444 09/08/12 09:30 PM 09/08/12 09:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing master
Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	I think you are a little short on duration and/or compression to get any more than around 550 lbs-ft If you have valve springs that will let you keep things stable to a high enough rpm,you might get a little over 600 hp. Might take a higher rpm than you can get with a stiffly sprung hydraulic though Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1299445 09/09/12 08:32 PM 09/09/12 08:32 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Heres my 580 HP and 560 TQ.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299446 09/09/12 09:21 PM 09/09/12 09:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob It wouldn't be the FIRST time!! Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299447 09/10/12 08:32 AM 09/10/12 08:32 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,048 The Great White North RAMM OP super stock
RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,048 The Great White North	Quote: Heres my 580 HP and 560 TQ. Matt, you and Dunnuck racing are right in line with what I think. I should have it together and on the pump by this weekend. This is my 2012 EMC entry, It is NOT a real serious effort-that will be for next year. IF the world doesn't explode or something--hahaha. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299448 09/10/12 09:08 AM 09/10/12 09:08 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Heres my 580 HP and 560 TQ. Matt, you and Dunnuck racing are right in line with what I think. I should have it together and on the pump by this weekend. This is my 2012 EMC entry, It is NOT a real serious effort-that will be for next year. IF the world doesn't explode or something--hahaha. J.Rob I think I would like to help you out if it not a big block. We be in touch with you soon. Matt BTW nice job on the EQ heads. You should digitized the Port get that boat anchor working. LOL Nice to see some serious effort with non exotic parts. Last edited by MattW; 09/10/12 09:21 AM.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299449 09/10/12 06:55 PM 09/10/12 06:55 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto	what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: mshred] #1299450 09/10/12 10:05 PM 09/10/12 10:05 PM
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Wedgeman pro stock W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada	I had a very similar combo 2 years ago.... Let's not forget a dyno is only a dyno, it will not tell you how fast you will be going...or how quick your car will respond.... May be a bit short on cam duration, but my realistic guess will be 475hp and 480lbs tq at 4800rpm you have very good quench with those pistons, so a very efficient combustion chamber... One way or another, you'll have plenty of fun !! Dan '67 Barrcuda 6.75 1/8 mile 1970 SUper Bee

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: mshred] #1299451 09/11/12 08:31 AM 09/11/12 08:31 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,048 The Great White North	Quote: what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller? This engine HAS to turn 6700 rpm or it won't qualify in Ohio. I have had plenty of experience with hydraulic rollers and zero issues with that kind of rpm level. The Scorpion lifters I am using this year are incredibly nice looking with a pushrod seat that is half an inch .5" higher than their solid rollers. The pushrod length on this particular combo is 7.2"--fairly short. With a set of PAC 1255's the rpm of 6700 should not be a problem. Whether or not it makes any meaningful power up there may be.J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299452 09/11/12 01:35 PM 09/11/12 01:35 PM
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79410aspenrt enthusiast 7 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 250 Saskatchewan (SK)	568 hp @ 6200 rpm and 558 ftlbs @ 4200 rpm.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: 79410aspenrt] #1299453 09/11/12 03:02 PM 09/11/12 03:02 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: 568 hp @ 6200 rpm and 558 ftlbs @ 4200 rpm. I think this is real close

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1299454 09/11/12 03:32 PM 09/11/12 03:32 PM
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B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,707 Portage,michigan	I think the "big" intake, and low compression will hurt torque more than most on here seem to think, but i am usually wrong...lol Gonna say it will make " dragstrip" power equal to having 540 horsepower and 525 torque. Dyno is so subjective it can say anything. I would guess in a full weight 3300 pound A body its a 10.70-80 ish( 124 mph) motor in front of a 727. 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: B3422W5] #1299455 09/11/12 04:01 PM 09/11/12 04:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,048 The Great White North RAMM OP super stock
RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,048 The Great White North	Quote: I think the "big" intake, and low compression will hurt torque more than most on here seem to think, but i am usually wrong...lol Gonna say it will make " dragstrip" power equal to having 540 horsepower and 525 torque. Dyno is so subjective it can say anything. I would guess in a full weight 3300 pound A body its a 10.70-80 ish( 124 mph) motor in front of a 727. The dyno's in Ohio @ UNOH are not really subjective. There is no hiding behind "rigged" dyno results down there. Thanks for the input though--we will see real soon. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299456 09/11/12 06:53 PM 09/11/12 06:53 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto	Quote: Quote: what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller? This engine HAS to turn 6700 rpm or it won't qualify in Ohio. I have had plenty of experience with hydraulic rollers and zero issues with that kind of rpm level. The Scorpion lifters I am using this year are incredibly nice looking with a pushrod seat that is half an inch .5" higher than their solid rollers. The pushrod length on this particular combo is 7.2"--fairly short. With a set of PAC 1255's the rpm of 6700 should not be a problem. Whether or not it makes any meaningful power up there may be.J.Rob What's the highest rpms you have turned with the hydraulic rollers? do you always use the Scorpion lifters?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299457 09/11/12 11:02 PM 09/11/12 11:02 PM
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Evil Spirit master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi	I think here's the weakest link. Put my guess in the 560HP/530TQ range. Schoenfeld 1 5/8" 1 3/4" step headers with a 3.5 to 3" hillbilly merge Free advice and worth every penny... Factory trained Slinky rewinder.........

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Evil Spirit] #1299458 09/12/12 02:31 AM 09/12/12 02:31 AM
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B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,707 Portage,michigan	Arrington claims 630 ponies out of a 426 inch gen 3 using a much bigger hydraulic roller, little more compression, and a way better head that goes 370 cfm and a drag pack intake. I didn't mean to imply dyno numbers aren't good for comparing different motors on same dunk, but same motor on different dyno can yield way different results that mean nothing except for tuning and checking for leaks 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

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