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Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? #1278077
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Does it hurt to put Type F tranny fluid in a Mopar instead of the Dexron?


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278078
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My transmission man told me to use type F, he said it would make it shift better

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278079
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Does it hurt to put Type F tranny fluid in a Mopar instead of the Dexron?




No. it will work fine in it and is recomended by most people for a firmer shift.

just picked up a case of type F for my BB 727 swap this weekend myself.

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1278080
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I run Type F in my 727. When Pete Tritak rebuilt it for me that is what he told me to use. I didn't argue with him.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278081
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Yes Type F is the accepted grade for performance 727/904's something to do with the grit factor being higher for firmer shifts. Most if not all performance transmission builders will recommend Type F like one builder told me don't was your money on trick shift just use type F!

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: Dodgem] #1278082
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One of the regular village bragarts over on the slantsix board was bashing the use of Type F fluid in Mopar transmissions. He claims it degrades the bands and clutches because in the petroleum based form, it can't handle the heat as well as Dexron 2.

While there is some truth to the temperature rating of petrolium Type F as compared to petrolium Dexron, the thermal problem goes away when you switch to synthetic Type F.

In the synthetic form, the Type F can handle much higher thermal loads while still providing enhanced thermal stability and lubricity than petrolium transmision fluids, regadless of the type of fluid ie Dextron or Type F.

If you are going to use Type F, pay a bit more and run the synthetic Type F.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: jbc426] #1278083
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Synthetic is not necessary in Mopar transmissions. Regular type F works great to give firm shifts and doesn't break down under normal temps.

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: stumpy] #1278084
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to be quite honest ive used both in the same transmission and have noticed no difference in either in shifting quality.

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: mcmopars] #1278085
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and to be quite honest ive used whatever was available in cases with no ill effects.mixing one with another,i know your not suppossed too but,kinda like the power steering pump,ive used what i had to at times with no catastrophic failure. so no ,using type f is o.k.

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278086
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Well I just dumped some coin on my trans last year and the builder said to run Dextron in it...I'll go by that.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278087
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Got a Torqueflite that's been living on Type F for 20 years...

It's been subjected to beaucoup heat-more than once...

As far as 'band and clutch degradation'???

Just had the pan down not too long ago...

Looked just like it did when I bolted it on...

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: RSNOMO] #1278088
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I asked this question about a month ago and got the same feedback. I had the converter out of the car and decided to do a complete drain of the trans as well. I like the feel of the trans with the type F. It does shift firmer. the fluid was cheaper too. I can that a win-win.

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: Kern Dog] #1278089
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I'll try it in my 69 Super Bee. Thanks very much for the input.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278090
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We've used nothing but Type F since 1977..never any problems with it.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: Chris2581] #1278091
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I was told 35 years ago, Type F only in mopars. That's all that I've ever put in them. I don't know as though Dextron would hurt anything, but Type F for me.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: ledft79] #1278092
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well i hope type F doesnt have more grit----hoping it is less slippery....bob

Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: savoy64] #1278093
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I have a good supply of ATF+4 since I worked at a Dodge dealer for 24 years. All my brother and I have ever used is the Mopar ATF+. It shifts great and looked like brand new when I dropped the pan. I dont think I will drain it and add type F to see if it is any faster. Ron

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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: TimS] #1278094
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Type F was developed by Ford (hence the F) to help their auto trans shift more crisp like the Chrysler and GM autos I was told. Type F has less "cushion agents" in it to achieve the firmer shifts. With less cushion agents it should shift firmer but not be a problem for other components that need lubrication. That's all they do with so called "racing automatic transmission fluid" is reduce the cushion agents to minimize the clutch engagement slip or cushion.

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It's not about "cushioning", it's all about the coefficient of friction (the ratio of the force of friction between two bodies). Type F has a more aggressive COF.


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Re: Type "F" Tranny Fluid ? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1278096
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It's not about "cushioning", it's all about the coefficient of friction (the ratio of the force of friction between two bodies). Type F has a more aggressive COF.




John you might want to do a search for cushioning agents and clutches to see what I meant. We had these issues for years in motorcycle wet clutches and there are agents that are meant to cushion or soften clutch engagement and at the worst cause clutch slippage. Won't argue the COF but what determines that is the fluid or oil and the type of friction modifiers that are added to them. Type F has less friction modifiers and or cushioning agents ADDED to it than Dextron or other transmission fluids and transmission oils so it has a higher COF

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