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440, 4-speed, A/C ? #1268413
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I don't remember if I have ever seen a GTX or R/T with a 4 speed and A/C. Did they make such animals?


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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 6T9Hemi] #1268414
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I don't remember if I have ever seen a GTX or R/T with a 4 speed and A/C. Did they make such animals?




No 440-4 with 4 speed and A/C in a B or E body.

IIRC, A/C may have been available in 67 or 68 C-bodies with 440-4 and 4spd ???

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1268415
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IIRC, A/C may have been available in 67 or 68 C-bodies with 440-4 and 4spd ???




No. Auto transmission only.


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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 69CoronetRT] #1268416
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IIRC, A/C may have been available in 67 or 68 C-bodies with 440-4 and 4spd ???




No. Auto transmission only.




Thanks.

In 64-66 426 or 413 with a 4spd in a C or B body availible with A/C?

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1268417
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I don't think so. I *thought* the issue was that they didn't think the a/c compressor at the time would withstand the rpm you would be turning with a stick car wound out.

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1268418
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It had alot to do with the fact that a 440 4spd car is going to be a dana car, so you will have at least a 3:54 gear (if not a 4:10)
With the 383 4-speed cars , A/C was available as most were 3:23

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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #1268419
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Could it have been special ordered? A friend of mine has a '69 440/4speed R/T SE and it's LOADED. Power Windows, Seat, Am/8track, Tach, Console, Hood Indicators, Power Discs, Wood Wheel, and yes, factory A/C. It's even a #'s matching car.


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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: That AMC Guy] #1268420
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I call BS! ..... NO - ZERO - NONE exist!! Bring on the proof of a factory built car with a 440, 4-spd manual transmission and A/C.

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 6bblgt] #1268421
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I'll look into it. He's had the car 20+ years and as long as he's had it, it's been a 4 speed. Might have been switched over the years. Whats fender tag code for 727? D34?


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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: That AMC Guy] #1268422
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Seat C62
Am/8track R22
Tach N85
Console C16
Hood Indicators L31
Power Discs B41 & B51
Wood Wheel S81
A/C H51
automatic transmission D32

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 6bblgt] #1268423
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I call BS! ..... NO - ZERO - NONE exist!! Bring on the proof of a factory built car with a 440, 4-spd manual transmission and A/C.






69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.
Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 6T9Hemi] #1268424
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I guess I can stop looking for one then....

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: Commando1] #1268425
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What was their reasoning for such? I plan on building my 73 challenger to those exact specs. 440, 4 speed, and a/c. Why wouldn't they do it?
Sounds like the ultimate ride to me.

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: VoodooCLD] #1268426
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: VoodooCLD] #1268427
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What was their reasoning for such? I plan on building my 73 challenger to those exact specs. 440, 4 speed, and a/c. Why wouldn't they do it?
Sounds like the ultimate ride to me.




As I understand, and it wasn't just Chrysler, A/C compressors and axle ratios over about 3.23 were verboten. It had more to do with RPM's than anything else I know of. I would guess the new compressors can take more RPM's than the old ones? Build what you like!

As for C bodies from '67 to '68, they had Dana 53's with 4 speeds, I'm not familiar with the axle ratios available for them.

Robert


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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 3hundred] #1268428
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It had alot to do with the fact that a 440 4spd car is going to be a dana car, so you will have at least a 3:54 gear (if not a 4:10)
Greg



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As I understand, and it wasn't just Chrysler, A/C compressors and axle ratios over about 3.23 were verboten.




You could get A/C with 3.55 gears so I'm not sure the rear end ratio was the sole reason.

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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: That AMC Guy] #1268429
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Could it have been special ordered? A friend of mine has a '69 440/4speed R/T SE and it's LOADED. Power Windows, Seat, Am/8track, Tach, Console, Hood Indicators, Power Discs, Wood Wheel, and yes, factory A/C. It's even a #'s matching car.




This is the second case I have heard of it. I have never seen one in person but don't doubt there may have been a few built. It likely would have been at the request of a high level factory executive that wanted one for themselves. They got what they wanted even if they would not built one for the public. Certainly all of the components were factory assembly line readily available so it would not be a big deal to do.

If the car has a broadcast sheet that will tell you if it was factory built.

Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ? [Re: 696pack] #1268430
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If the car has a broadcast sheet that will tell you if it was factory built.




...and until or unless said FT, BS or other document surfaces, then the right answer is "not available".


Dave


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If the car has a broadcast sheet that will tell you if it was factory built.




...and until or unless said FT, BS or other document surfaces, then the right answer is "not available".


Dave




No, the right answer is not available in the autorized dealer order guide.

Anything like this was available from any auto manufacturer if you were the right person.

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'Anything like this was available from any auto manufacturer if you were the right person.'

Bullseye...

We've talked to enough folks from Lynch Road, and Hamtramck to know this as fact...

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