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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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The police units cut the compressor out at full throttle, seems like something could have been done
Is this true? I have a compressior off a 1976 Monaco squad and would like to hook that feature up on my bee. Was it when the compressor hit a certain rpm it shut off and was this a internal feature?
It was not internal to the compressor but it's easy to do. All you need to do is add a switch to your throttle linkage that opens the line that engages the compressor clutch, which is what the factory did.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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I'm not sure I understand your comment about the 74 cast/forged crank. Could you explain a little more?
All 440's 1974 and up had cast cranks but there are those who insist that they... 
I know that parts books have mistakes. Are you saying the references to a forged crank in the 74 parts book is incorrect? They were never released? (Click on attachment for larger view)
You are the FIRST person that has actually produced genuine documentation that says that it was. Everybody else just "swears" that...
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Yes, the same thing would happen with the 383/335 and that is the reason for a 330 h.p. (lower reving cam) in an A/C Bee or RR. In fact, the 383/335 is actually a higher reving engine stock than the 440.
Dave
Guys, I'm really not trying to be a jerk about this. But what changed in 1970 when you could get a 335- horse four speed A/C car? Was the compressor redesigned for 1970? If it was redesigned to handle the 383HP engine, why couldn't the same concept be adapted to the 440?
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Yes, the same thing would happen with the 383/335 and that is the reason for a 330 h.p. (lower reving cam) in an A/C Bee or RR. In fact, the 383/335 is actually a higher reving engine stock than the 440.
Dave
Guys, I'm really not trying to be a jerk about this. But what changed in 1970 when you could get a 335- horse four speed A/C car? Was the compressor redesigned for 1970? If it was redesigned to handle the 383HP engine, why couldn't the same concept be adapted to the 440?
Doug,
Per the 1970 Dodge Data Book it was NOT available with a 4 speed.
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Coronet0022.jpg
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Per the 1970 Dodge Data Book it was NOT available with a 4 speed.
D, we know the data books are a pretty good resource but we also know there are mistakes and the books were updated. The combo was available in '70.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Per the 1970 Dodge Data Book it was NOT available with a 4 speed.
D, we know the data books are a pretty good resource but we also know there are mistakes and the books were updated. The combo was available in '70.
Yes, they were updated. Do you have an example of one that updated this combo becoming available?
I see you original FT example showing it which proves at least one was built. This comes full circle to the origin of this post regarding the availability of 440-4 speed-A/C. Althought you FT example is a 383 Super Bee but follows right along with this entire discussion/senario. That is a very heavily equipped Super Bee. The very kind of car we saw new that factory execs or their kids were driving. Could this have been one built for them with something NOT available per the Data Book or was the book changed so anyone could order it? Do you have any other examples of this being available?
Also regarding the "N" engine code in the V.I.N. there has always been confusion as to it true meaning as to h.p.
They made 3 different 383s but only show 2 different V.I.N. codes, 383-2 and 383-4. however we know that there are 2 different 383-4s, the 330 and 335 h.p. Without a B.S. you can never be sure how the car was actually built with regard to which cam it had. If you have the original untouched engine in the car that is a different thing but that is rare in these 40+ year old cars.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Do you have any other examples of this being available?
Here's an interesting one...
Three speed A/C convertible
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Do you have any other examples of this being available?
Here's an interesting one...
Three speed A/C convertible
Yeah but that is a Satelitte and it would be a 330 h.p.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Do you have any other examples of this being available?
Here's an interesting one...
Three speed A/C convertible
Yeah but that is a Satelitte and it would be a 330 h.p.
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all 1970 383 4bbl engines with manual transmissions are "orange/Holley" 383HP (335hp)
all 1970 Challenger R/T, 'Cuda, Charger, Super Bee, Road Runner 383s are "orange/Holley" 383HP (335hp)
NO (ZERO) 1970 c-bodies with 383HP (335hp)
..... but that's another thread 
anyone with proof of that factory 440 4-spd MOPAR with A/C, yet?
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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all 1970 383 4bbl engines with manual transmissions are "orange/Holley" 383HP (335hp)
all 1970 Challenger R/T, 'Cuda, Charger, Super Bee, Road Runner 383s are "orange/Holley" 383HP (335hp)
NO (ZERO) 1970 c-bodies with 383HP (335hp)
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But what changed in 1970 when you could get a 335- horse four speed A/C car? Was the compressor redesigned for 1970? If it was redesigned to handle the 383HP engine, why couldn't the same concept be adapted to the 440?
Chrysler engineers were pretty smart people. If the Head Office or Sales said they wanted something, I'm pretty sure they could have figured out a way to make it work.
If people take the side "you could get anything you wanted" and believe these cars existed, then the engineering work WAS ALREADY done and the combination could have easily been offered to the general public. Yet...it wasn't.
Just my opinion, but I don't think the 440-4 speed was not offered because of some compressor/cam/gearing issue. If the engineers figured out a way to make it work with a 383, I'm reasonably sure they could do the same for the 440.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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The vast majority of 383 4-spd cars with A/C are 3.23 geared.
I've heard but have no proof, which is why I've refrained until now to add it to this fantasy witch hunt for cars Chrysler didn't build. Chrysler didn't want to deal with A/C compressor warranty issues arising from high RPM decel on 440 4-spd vehicles, most with 3.54 gears. Decel having more "violent" RPM changes than accel.
In the '60s 440 4-spd cars were "race cars" for the street not cruisers that most owners wanted W/O power steering, power brakes, or A/C.
Chrysler execs had "company cars" for short periods of time. Wild, exoticly optioned factory assembly line built exec cars do not exist.
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Re: 440, 4-speed, A/C ?
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Do you have any other examples of this being available?
Here's an interesting one...
Three speed A/C convertible
Yeah but that is a Satelitte and it would be a 330 h.p.
Not quite:
all 1970 383 4bbl engines with manual transmissions are "orange/Holley" 383HP (335hp) all 1970 Challenger R/T, 'Cuda, Charger, Super Bee, Road Runner 383s are "orange/Holley" 383HP (335hp)
NO (ZERO) 1970 c-bodies with 383HP (335hp)
..... but that's another thread
anyone with proof of that factory 440 4-spd MOPAR with A/C, yet?
And how can you PROVE that?
I am looking at GGs white book that shows an E63 sales code for ALL 383-4 regardless of 330 or 3435 h.p. In fact it shows the 330 h.p. for B bodies with A/C for 69-70. You can not tell by the fender tag or V.I.N. if a car was a 330 or a 335 h.p.
Factory exec car could be kept for years and some were. If they wanted something special they got it (within reason) and they didn't care how long they were going to keep the car.
It was the factory cars used by the sales and service reps that got turned over quickly depending on the miles. Some that had a big territory only had a car for 3 months others a full year.
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