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Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: 70gtx440dana] #1265162
07/11/12 06:31 PM
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Thanks...That helps me partially. The actual clearance issue I am having is not with the fan itself, but the large round portion of the fan clutch that faces the radiator core. This is where the 1/4" separation is. I have plenty of space between the fan blades and the radiator core. This is all after market items and as far as a shroud goes, the American Eagle product line of Champion Radiators doesn't have a shroud available for my application. The Champion side does have the combo of radiator/shroud offered. I do have a MoPAR shroud but it will require some "fabbing up" to make it adapt to the American Eagle radiator. I also have the stock original radiator as well but I am reluctant in using it as it has been checked for leaks, but in reality it needs a re-core and it is just not in the budget at over 300.00 based on my latest quote. And that was the cheapest. I want to stay with the Aluminum radiator as it will dissipate the heat better than the OEM one especially out here in the HOT West, and may just opt for a 16" pusher fan in place of the water pump fan set up....Thanks in advance....

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1265163
07/11/12 07:46 PM
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Thanks...That helps me partially. The actual clearance issue I am having is not with the fan itself, but the large round portion of the fan clutch that faces the radiator core. This is where the 1/4" separation is. I have plenty of space between the fan blades and the radiator core. This is all after market items and as far as a shroud goes, the American Eagle product line of Champion Radiators doesn't have a shroud available for my application. The Champion side does have the combo of radiator/shroud offered. I do have a MoPAR shroud but it will require some "fabbing up" to make it adapt to the American Eagle radiator. I also have the stock original radiator as well but I am reluctant in using it as it has been checked for leaks, but in reality it needs a re-core and it is just not in the budget at over 300.00 based on my latest quote. And that was the cheapest. I want to stay with the Aluminum radiator as it will dissipate the heat better than the OEM one especially out here in the HOT West, and may just opt for a 16" pusher fan in place of the water pump fan set up....Thanks in advance....




1/4" for the fan clutch is very close. If you have a thermostatic clutch it is designed to engage/disengage properly based on the air temp passing through the radiator. At 1/4" you will get radiant heat from the radiator that will prematurely engage the fan clutch. This will lead to the fan working more than it really needs to cool your application. Still sounds like you need a shorter fan clutch to me. This will set the fan and clutch back further from the radiator.


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Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1265164
07/11/12 08:19 PM
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I have been watching this post now for the past couple of days and have yet to have anyone who has responded here to validate if, "1/4 of an inch separation" between the clutch fan and the radiator core is an acceptable distance. I am having a similar situation with my build...383 non A/C with an aftermarket aluminum Champion/American radiator. I am using the Jaguar clutch from Napa as it has the shortest shaft length of any out there, a 7 blade MoPar fan, without a fan shroud at present. It would be nice if someone here could validate that that distance will work properly. A simple yes or no would suffice without all the additional rhetoric. Please try to stay on point...




FWIW, 1/4" clearance to the clutch took out the radiator on my Hemi Ramcharger. Getting by with about 1/2" with no more problems. YMMV.

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Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1265165
07/11/12 08:27 PM
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Do not rely on a pusher fan for primary cooling. They are not efficient.
Have you ever tried to push a string? It's rather similar to pushing air through a restriction.

Pulling it is far more effective.


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Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: lilmoose102] #1265166
07/11/12 11:17 PM
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I have a 70 roadrunner,440,4 speed,22 inch radiator,with a shroud.I want to put a clutch fan on it,bought one from Mancini Racing at Carlisle,and it doesn"t fit.I looked up a mopar performance one at a local dealer and the measurements only allow a 1/4 of an inch between the fan clutch and radiator,not enough in my opinion.Any body else encounter this problem or have any suggestions? thanks.




I have almost the same setup in my 70 RR.
383, 4 speed, 3 core 22", shroud..
You have to use a short clutch fan either the Hayden Jag one or the Mopar TRW OE FC28, the clutch fan can only be a max of about 2.75" in height. This puts the fan 50% into the shroud and about 1" from the fan to the radiator, enough clearance to change the fan belt.

I prefer the FC28 over the Hayden as it has a closed mounting hub compared to the universal slots of the Hayden. For cooling my stroked 383 runs about 175 degrees in SoCal traffic on a hot day. I found my FC28 @ a garage sale for $30 still in a box but they are harder to find.

I hope that helps..

Just my $0.02..

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: Sinitro] #1265167
07/11/12 11:34 PM
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Agree 1/4" is too tight... and agree the MP kit fits and cools my 496" E just fine... and agree you need a shorter clutch for your application. I have had good luck with the Hayden clutch in other applications.

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: ahy] #1265168
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had same issue on my 66 newport. had to use the shorter clutch

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1265169
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I have been watching this post now for the past couple of days and have yet to have anyone who has responded here to validate if, "1/4 of an inch separation" between the clutch fan and the radiator core is an acceptable distance. I am having a similar situation with my build...383 non A/C with an aftermarket aluminum Champion/American radiator. I am using the Jaguar clutch from Napa as it has the shortest shaft length of any out there, a 7 blade MoPar fan, without a fan shroud at present. It would be nice if someone here could validate that that distance will work properly. A simple yes or no would suffice without all the additional rhetoric. Please try to stay on point...





So if he has the Jag clutch already, what would be a shorter one?

Time for an electric fan only?

Torque strap the engine and hope for the best?

Just hope for the best?

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: SomeCarGuy] #1265170
07/12/12 03:11 PM
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Not sure if in fact I have the Jag fan clutch as I bought it a few years back through NAPA. I noticed that the Hayden 2765 is the same with and overall height of 2.62 inches. Not sure if that is what I have but I will be checking later today. I do have a torque strap already so that will help...measure twice or 3 times and then correct it or stay with what I have. Stay tuned and more to follow...Thanks in advance.....cr8crshr/Bill

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: SomeCarGuy] #1265171
07/12/12 03:56 PM
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I have been watching this post now for the past couple of days and have yet to have anyone who has responded here to validate if, "1/4 of an inch separation" between the clutch fan and the radiator core is an acceptable distance. I am having a similar situation with my build...383 non A/C with an aftermarket aluminum Champion/American radiator. I am using the Jaguar clutch from Napa as it has the shortest shaft length of any out there, a 7 blade MoPar fan, without a fan shroud at present. It would be nice if someone here could validate that that distance will work properly. A simple yes or no would suffice without all the additional rhetoric. Please try to stay on point...





So if he has the Jag clutch already, what would be a shorter one?

Time for an electric fan only?

Torque strap the engine and hope for the best?

Just hope for the best?




As I mentioned above, another possibility is to heat the saddles and move the radiator core forward so it is even with the core support. There is usually .50"-.75" of additional room to be found here. I had the shop do this with my 3 core stock-type radiator.

Early B's are a notoriously tight fit for a clutch fan. I'm using the stock, early K member, repositioned 3 core rad w/shroud, Hayden clutch and torque strap. I have at least .75" clearance between the rad and clutch. I see no reason why this type of set up wouldn't give even more room in a later application.

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: 64Post] #1265172
07/12/12 06:55 PM
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First off, thanks to all with their input. I must admit that I kind of hijacked this thread and to the OP I did not mean for that to take place. Sorry if you took offense. We did however have a common situation. Anyway here is what I have found out. The aftermarket Champion/American Eagle Aluminum radiator I bought is actually too thick in the cores than my original 2 core stock 22" radiator. I removed the Aluminum one and dropped in the original and I have just over an inch clearance from the clutch to the radiator core. I also have a fan shroud to mount with it which I am hoping at least for the time being will work to keep the car running cool until I can re-core it. So that will be the direction I will take with my build. Again thanks for the extremely knowledgeable comments on this subject. I learned quite a bit and the link shared for Hayden's web site proved to be a great item to keep in the files for future reference. Now that that is a done deal, all I need to do is receive my power steering pump mounting bracket and get a belt for it and I am ready for the initial fire up. Stay tuned for a follow up post. MoParts Rocks....

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1265173
07/13/12 11:05 AM
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I started quite the discussion here,I ordered a Napa #261306 clutch fan from a local dealer.Its overall height is 2.67 inches,it fits 91 to 96 Jaguars. They say I should have it some time today,I will be away a few days but will add an update when I install it. Thanks everyone.

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: lilmoose102] #1265174
07/13/12 04:36 PM
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Anybody have a pn for bolts?

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: Montclaire] #1265175
07/14/12 02:37 AM
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I bought one on Ebay, from someone else it did not fit either.
69 Charger, 1/8 clearance on radiator, but no problems so far.
I do not like it, too tight.

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1265176
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I did the jaguar clutch on a Mopar fan for my '63 Dodge 330 with 440 install.

Even with the shorter shaft, I still had to have the brackets moved 1/2" on the sides of my radiator by the local radiator shop. I had him fix it for me and boil it out a few days earlier so he moved the brackets for next to nothing $.

Re: Big block clutch fan [Re: lilmoose102] #1265177
07/19/12 11:46 AM
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I got the Napa 261306 fan clutch the clearance looks ok,but my fan won"t bolt on to it!!!! What a mess!!! Now I'm stuck with this fan clutch.

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