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Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: JohnRR] #125487
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Ok, have some filter info. No filter was used, just an empty air cleaner (with the top secured all the way down),then it was removed completely for the second test.

*FWIW had I known this I would have requested a run with a K&N but it was over by the time we discussed it.

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #125488
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Yes, that was the point. Mimimal gain for the expense. Maybe Extrude Hone should offer the intake and exhaust manifolds as a pkg deal and then maybe 10-15 hp they quoted would be more realistic. My engin builder would not send them my set because a costomer came back to his shop with a cracked set of BB exhaust manifolds.

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #125489
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4 to 5 hp...HUH, Who knew?

I sure never saw sh t thats for sure

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: scatpacktom] #125490
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I remember a few years ago a back to back EH vs non EH test was done on Dudek's Hemi Challenger. The gain with EH was something like 4-5 hp, BUT testing showed the EH maifolds leaned out the motor slightly. After re-jetting the gain was more like 12-15. Still a pretty dang expensive 12-15 hp anyway you wanna look at it. Sounds like those guys need some competition in the marketplace.

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: Silverbullet2] #125491
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I think I picked up a total of 12HP on a "back to back" test. That was on a 12 to 1, 484 cubed Hemi.


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Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: DaveDudek] #125492
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A car has to run faster with EH because your wallet is lighter

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: DaveDudek] #125493
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Doug Dutra cast some new split /6 exhaust manifolds from scratch. For that kind of money a person could almost recast a set with a bigger ID. Just thinking out loud


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Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #125494
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if the post-Extrude Hone manifolds are still off the engine and available,
perhaps it would be a good idea to make some templates of the port shapes the EH process created?

if these templates were then scanned and added to the archives,
perhaps other factory manifold owners using a grinder could be very close to the gains found?

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: 360view] #125495
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Quote:

if the post-Extrude Hone manifolds are still off the engine and available,
perhaps it would be a good idea to make some templates of the port shapes the EH process created?

if these templates were then scanned and added to the archives,
perhaps other factory manifold owners using a grinder could be very close to the gains found?




how do you get to the areas that you can't even SEE ??

the extrude hone process mostly SMOOTHES (polishes) the internal surface of the manifold .

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: DaveDudek] #125496
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I think I picked up a total of 12HP on a "back to back" test. That was on a 12 to 1, 484 cubed Hemi... making Huge power .




There; I fixed that for you.



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Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: RapidRobert] #125497
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Doug Dutra cast some new split /6 exhaust manifolds from scratch. For that kind of money a person could almost recast a set with a bigger ID. Just thinking out loud




Well, I don't know if that would work or not, but let's say for a minute that it would, if you can get a set of (outwardly accurate, internally larger) exhaust manifolds cast for $600.00 please sign me up!


Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #125498
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scott I didn't notice , do you have a before and after weight from the honed manifolds ?

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: JohnRR] #125499
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No John, but I bet it's not much of a difference, I can weigh the two sets I tested when I get them back but due to variability it won't be an accurate comparison.


As far as Dudeks Hemi picking up 12HP, I have no doubt that he did, as I said above:

I think there is a limit to gains you can expect but IMO every engine will benifit differently from it. As I've said before, you chase the bottle necks in the combo, if the bottleneck is the manifolds it will make a bigger difference and push the bottle neck to some other area needing improvment to gain more HP.

His combo obviously needed more exhaust flow and the EH process helped his engine in that respect more than it helped mine.

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #125500
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As far as Dudeks Hemi picking up 12HP, I have no doubt that he did, as I said above:

I think there is a limit to gains you can expect but IMO every engine will benifit differently from it. As I've said before, you chase the bottle necks in the combo, if the bottleneck is the manifolds it will make a bigger difference and push the bottle neck to some other area needing improvment to gain more HP.

His combo obviously needed more exhaust flow and the EH process helped his engine in that respect more than it helped mine.




True enough, but when you consider the power his FAST Hemi is making it's not that far off (percentage wise) as 5-6hp on a 400hp motor.

I'd be interested to see how the big block HP manifolds flow compared to your stock small block ones. After all at the same hp levels it's all about CFM, right? My guess is that on my 440-6 PS motor, I'd see even less of a gain than your 4-5hp.

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Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: DPelletier] #125501
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Could be Dave, pure guesswork at this point.

Re: Anyone Use Extrude Hone for Exhaust Manifolds? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #125502
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Could be Dave, pure guesswork at this point.




That's a fact. I think I'll spend the money on the best TTI system and quality mufflers. I'm ALMOST positive that will be money better spent.

I'm not knocking you or anyone else that wants every possible advantage. Actually in my case, extrude honing isn't PS legal anyways.

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