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"The Mule" #1235800
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The 400 2 barrel in my C body has 3 lbs of oil pressure, a huge ghetto sounding leak in the left header, and #2 cylinder has no compression to speak of. On top of that, it's current operating temp is 230 degrees on the highway. I drove it right into the ground, and I'm expecting to find cracked head, blown head gaskets, sunk exhaust seats, trashed bearings and so on when I eventually tear it down. It had 53,000 miles on it when I got it, and went about 160,000, so I can't really complain. But I'm getting tired of it sitting there.

With all that, and being that the 440 I overhauled on the cheap back in 1987 or so (then flogged for 14 years in the GTX)....having been hosed with fogging oil and mothballed since 2001, then pulled out running decent 12.50s at 108) I decided to go through the 440 and throw it in the C body for awhile. Just to make sure everything is cool, not to try to make it "perfect" since it will spend most of it's time just puttering around anyway....on the cheap, just like in the '80s....

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Mostly Old Parts And Rust

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235802
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This clutter drive me nuts....but it was only like that for one day and it's somewhat better now. It's going to happen again when I do the heads and intake though.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235803
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Rich,
That 230 temp at hwy speed sounds like the typical radiator malady. I've got a C-body radiator that may still be good. It's out of a 76 Newport that had a towing package. Free for the taking. Along with a cast iron 4 barrel intake and whatever factory rockers/pushrods you may need.

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What did I find?

Well, it was never a race motor although I had fun racing it. It was a cheap rering with a 10-10 crank. Back in 1987 it had .004" bore taper as best I could measure. In all that time it only wore to .006" taper, and some of my '80s honing marks are still there. I looked up factory specs and they say .010" max taper....So I said to heck with it and slapped it back together.

Crank had minor scratches, bearings were slightly beat up but no serious problems I could detect so I just polished the crank by hand and put new bearings in it. For clearance, back in the '80s I had Dad's snap gauges (which I gave up on real quickly) and plastigauge. I later aquired better tools and knowledge of how to use them....

With an econo dial bore gauge and good mics in hand, I'm not sure why, but the main bearing clearance gets larger moving towards the back of the block. It varies from .0026 at the number one main, and .0035 at the rear main I'm blaming sloppy machine work and the lack of an align hone. Again, not a race motor and never was, worked just fine.

rod bearing clearnace is much more uniform, tighter than I remember with the tools I had back then, but I used a different brand of bearing so that probably affected it? (fm/sealed power now, michigan 77 back then). Two rods are at .002, the rest are at .0015. Yep, should work fine.

I expected to find the rod bearings in bad shape, because in the 80s I replaced the rod bolts without resizing the rods, a definite no-no. But nothing happened, the bearings were actually pretty nice. I think what saved me is that I used direct connection rod bolts....which were exactly the same dimensions as stock (and were probably just reboxed stock rod bolts anyway). I would never do that again....

What else...the 284/484 purple shaft wore beautifully.
In 14 years of abuse, it only wore .004 off the lobes.
The lobe taper has JUST disappeared, so now it is finally time to change it I even labeled the lifters with their position, because they all have "this is the ideal wear pattern: you will never see this in real life" appearance. I would not sell it, it is not THAT good....I briefly considered giving it away but will probably scrap it....but it did it's job well.

And that's about it for now. The short is back together.

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Yeah Dean, probably plugged rad. The temp probably contributed to the loss of compression too. I really didn't care and just kept driving it

Will let you know if I need any goodies, thank you

Am considering two radiators...either the high tech choice, from a 2008 Challenger with electric fans.....or the old one from the gtx, which was originally from a c body...if that don't work I'll call you


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I've been degreeing puppy cams, studying what they do, looking for the right one. Just a stump puller big torque 5000 rpm, near stock deal is all I am looking for.

So far I've installed/degreed a stock MP 268/284 cam, a comp cams 268 high energy (which was particularly odd), and next will be a MP .474.

The stock HP cam and the 474 have roughly the same intake closing point by specs (depending on whether advanced or not)....the comp 268H, despite the "4 degrees advance ground into the cam" marketing, was found to have more like 7 degrees advance ground into the cam....so will have to be installed retarded to end up where they recommend installing it

Instead of "4 degrees advance ground into the cam", my view of it is "We deliberately put the dowel pin in the wrong place, have fun"

The comp 268H cam has about 7 degrees earlier intake closing than the stock HP or the 474, which should make more torque. But it might make it detonate too. But, it's got less than 9:1 so probably not.

I think I would like the idle quality of the 268H just fine. Definitely a puppy cam...here is a clip I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355J6uRjJR8


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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235807
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Zippy, that MP .474 cam is hard to beat.

In a low compression motor with what you are aiming to do, it is a beast that works well with a 3.23 gear and factory type high stall. Should be all done by 5000-5200 rpm. Good heads that flow like eddies and headers take it to 6ooo rpm with a very strong 5-6000. That extra pull is not there with stock heads and exhaust manifolds. There is 100 hp difference with good heads/headers, but it is a great driver with manifolds/full exhaust stock heads.

I have many other cams to play with, but this is just a very satisfying cam for a driver. Runs on 87 octane with the eddies with enough power to make me forget about other cams. It is a sweet combination for a driver.


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Hey Phil

I'm not ruling out the 474 cam yet, that's for sure.

It's about 8.7:1, and I think that one would be less likely to detonate than the little 268H so that is the appeal of it.

For the throttle response/to help keep rpm down, I was going to put a Performer (not an rpm, but the regular performer everyone here dislikes) and a 3310 on it.

The land yacht has 3.23 open, and I do have an ancient 11" 2400 converter for it too. I think it would be allright, it's just the size of the car that makes me want to keep the cam small....this car is like 23 feet long or so. I just want to leave it in "D" and stab the throttle.

Anymore input on it or the other cams I've mentioned is welcome.

Dragged a .528 solid out to the shop to check it out too, only to then remember I don't have a spare 3 bolt timing set Would rather save the .528 for a nicer engine anyway so that's out.

A couple things I measured on the so-called 474 cam seem fishy (.332 lobe lift, .498 theoretical valve lift and
283 @ .006???), and I've got a feeling it may not be what I think it is. Never heard of a hydraulic purple shaft that had .498 lift, but I've got one

Another hunch is, maybe both the 268H and the 474 marketing/advertised lift numbers are really "this is what you'll see with a mic" which I admit also did....since neither one came close to agreeing with the lobe lift number when measured off of a lifter.


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Rich; I'd beg borrow or steal a 3 bolt timing set and throw the .528 solid in that thing. I fell in love with that cam. Idles almost like a stocker and has torque off the bottom like you wouldn't believe. The last 440 I had in my truck was alot like what you're working with. I installed the .528 in it. I took the heap to the strip and had trouble keeping my drivers door shut on launch. It was twisting the body so hard the drivers door would pop open. It also was picking the front tires 6-8" off the ground on launch. Dave

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Dave I just might try that, nothing set in stone yet. Input appreciated.

I put another of what I believed to be a .474 cam in it and checked it out. I come up with 285 at .006, .4755 on the intake and .473 on the exhaust. 'On the dots" (which yes I do understand doesn't mean anything by itself) came up at 105 intake centerline, 115 exhaust centerline for a lobe separation of 110. Duration at .050 measured 234. So to me, that one is indeed a .474 and it's in 5 degrees advanced (or has "advance ground into the cam" much as I don't like putting it that way, it is misleading), I would probably just run it like that if I decide to use it.

The mystery 1 bolt 283-498 cam will probably have to stay that way I guess. I might double check my readings on the intake and take a few minutes and look at the exhaust just for info, it would help to know lsa....but not really knowing what the heck it is, probably won't use that one! A guy here on Moparts gave it to me during the '90s and he did not know what it was either


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Quote:

Hey Phil

I'm not ruling out the 474 cam yet, that's for sure.

It's about 8.7:1, and I think that one would be less likely to detonate than the little 268H so that is the appeal of it.

For the throttle response/to help keep rpm down, I was going to put a Performer (not an rpm, but the regular performer everyone here dislikes) and a 3310 on it.

The land yacht has 3.23 open, and I do have an ancient 11" 2400 converter for it too. I think it would be allright, it's just the size of the car that makes me want to keep the cam small....this car is like 23 feet long or so. I just want to leave it in "D" and stab the throttle.

Anymore input on it or the other cams I've mentioned is welcome.

Dragged a .528 solid out to the shop to check it out too, only to then remember I don't have a spare 3 bolt timing set Would rather save the .528 for a nicer engine anyway so that's out.

A couple things I measured on the so-called 474 cam seem fishy (.332 lobe lift, .498 theoretical valve lift and
283 @ .006???), and I've got a feeling it may not be what I think it is. Never heard of a hydraulic purple shaft that had .498 lift, but I've got one

Another hunch is, maybe both the 268H and the 474 marketing/advertised lift numbers are really "this is what you'll see with a mic" which I admit also did....since neither one came close to agreeing with the lobe lift number when measured off of a lifter.





Rich is the .498 cam used?

The Performer intake is what I used for about 10 years when the car was detuned for driving. With stock manifolds it would shred tires for 3 parking lot lengths at the old Pilette Rd van plant. I found it a very pleasing torquey combination. At times it would blow the tires when punched at highway speeds. Must have been some dust on the road. The car ran 14 flat in D with 275-60-15 BFG street tires at Milan consistantly, with the trans shifting it at 4900-5000 rpm depending on minor adjustment.

I wanted to put a MP .528 solid in it, but that should go in a better motor down the road for me.


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Rich is the .498 cam used?

The Performer intake is what I used for about 10 years when the car was detuned for driving. With stock manifolds it would shred tires for 3 parking lot lengths at the old Pilette Rd van plant. I found it a very pleasing torquey combination. At times it would blow the tires when punched at highway speeds. Must have been some dust on the road. The car ran 14 flat in D with 275-60-15 BFG street tires at Milan consistantly, with the trans shifting it at 4900-5000 rpm depending on minor adjustment.

I wanted to put a MP .528 solid in it, but that should go in a better motor down the road for me.




It is brand new as far as I can tell. The guy put an ad up here "free parts come get 'em!" and I ran over there. He gave me that cam and a pair of black wrinkle mp valve covers. It had to have been '99 or so.


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The .528 seems like a nice cam. Played with it awhile and I see what folks are talking about. With wide enough valve lash, I can get duration at .050 down quite a bit. I'm coming up with 245 @ .050 at zero lash, and only 236.5 with .028 lash.

But after alot of thought, I really don't want to listen to any valve lash at all in a cruiser C body. So will keep looking at hydraulics.


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Almost done. Ended up replacing the damper with a new reproduction from Bouchillon, the elastomer was getting dried out and starting to crack on the old damper. I don't know anyone else who services the stock style cast crank damper except Bouchillon.

Cleaning parts takes forever, never been a fan, but it's how the low buck game is played.

Instead of blasting everything I used the moparts vinegar/lemon juice/salt on alot of parts like the water pump housing....worked great, was a little slow but not bad.

Ended up with .474 cam, will try it and see how it works. It's always seemed pretty nice in other folks' cars, maybe I will like it.

I thought I had an extra AR engineering throttle return spring bracket but darned if I could find it. So I ended up using a small block one for the time being

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Getting pretty close.

Not many bells and whistles going on, it's just a
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Lookin' good Rich!

Hey, where'd ya git those cool engine mount brackets in the top pic??

Is that yet another AndyF product?


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Thanks Dean. Yep, that was a shameless plug for the AR engineering motor dolly. It's a great piece, as long as the oil pan isn't too deep. For deep pans maybe taller wheels would be a good solution....


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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235819
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Hey Rich

Are you going to chassis dyno it or anything to get HP figures? also what are you hopping to get out of 1/4 with it. It is very close to a 440 i built for my 1972 road runner back in the day. That was a consistent mid 13 second car.

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Hi Mike

Wasn't really planning on any dyno efforts or racing with it to be honest, as long as it feels good to drive I'm ok with it.

But, if the big C body feels much better than expected, I might change my mind. We'll see.

It ran 15s with the original 400 and some tuning, and in that particular car 15s was OK with me, until I wore out the motor and it felt lousy to drive.

Just a cruiser

She's holding 75psi oil pressure with a speed handle, I've got good oil flow upstairs, and I tried something new (for me), I pumped up the lifters while priming to see if they would hold oil. Seems ok so all systems are go.

I'm going to try one other new thing also, I'm going to fire it up on the floor before the swap to make sure everything's cool.


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You got your money out of that one for sure.

I like low-buck builds that just flat out work and this is one of them.


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Wasn't really planning on any dyno efforts or racing with it to be honest, as long as it feels good to drive I'm ok with it.

But, if the big C body feels much better than expected, I might change my mind. We'll see.

It ran 15s with the original 400 and some tuning, and in that particular car 15s was OK with me, until I wore out the motor and it felt lousy to drive.

Just a cruiser

She's holding 75psi oil pressure with a speed handle, I've got good oil flow upstairs, and I tried something new (for me), I pumped up the lifters while priming to see if they would hold oil. Seems ok so all systems are go.

I'm going to try one other new thing also, I'm going to fire it up on the floor before the swap to make sure everything's cool.




Rich,

I'll be honest I was just curious to see what HP you could ring out of a good basic rebuild. I think you will find that you are pleasantly surprised by it. I know the XE268 is a little cam, but it worked well in my old 70 dodge with a good built 440 with better heads and headers, but that cam and 4040 lbs of B body were very close to the 12's at 107 MPH. It has a nice little raspy sound and works well with a heavy car.

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Got it fired up on the shop floor very briefly, couldn't run it for long because it was lacking a cooling system but I know the fuel pump works, it's got plenty of spark, the timing is somewhere close to where it needs to be, and so on.

Temporarily rigged a cooling system and the rest, but now it's too late to fire it up/loud enough to wake the dead like any 440. Ah well, always tomorrow.

I'm not proud of the whole rigged setup, but it only needs to run maybe 5 minutes at a time like this while I break in the cam. I like to do a 4 or 5 shorter break in sessions instead of one long one, so nothing gets too hot, lessens the chance of anything going haywire.

It sounds pretty good through open 2" super comps

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Please note the highly complex and high tech ignition and oil pressure gauge mounting, using only the most expensive parts money can buy. Nothing is too good for the mule!

After it's run in for 20-30 minutes it's all coming back off anyway, so no big deal.

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I am sorry, its kind of cute sitting there, all innocent like that! I bet it makes the flour shake when you rap it a bit!

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Look'in good Zip. Nice to see you've brought the back 440 to life. You could put a buffer on the out put shaft and shine the floor while you run the cam in.

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It was loud enough to make the girl and kids run out of the house and come see what the heck was going on

All three seemed a bit flabberghasted at the volume levels, it shook the whole shop. Probably would have been quieter outside, but I didn't feel like moving that whole redneck setup outdoors just to put it back inside a few minutes later.

I was wearing hearing protection

She'll be fired up again before dinner tonight.

Since it has stock heads and I can get the lifters out without pulling anything but the valve covers/rockers, I might go the extra mile and do a visual inspection on the lifters before pronoucing it ready to swap in.


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235828
06/12/12 10:19 AM
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Subscribed, love seeing an old 440 come back to life


Re: "The Mule" [Re: racer_amx] #1235829
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Made some more noise and wrapped up the cam break in a little before 9:00 tonight. It's got 25-30 minutes on it now.

It sounds good enough to where I think I will just run it, maintain it, keep the good/flat tappet compatible oil in it, and cross my fingers.

Did I mention I don't really even like flat tappet cams/lifters much anymore? If budget would have allowed and the whole thing were freshened up, I probably would have put a 268 solid street roller in it. But this was supposed to be a cheap once-over so I used what I already had on hand.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235830
06/13/12 12:09 AM
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Minor issues encountered...the float stuck on the holley and when I got that repaired, the lock screw gasket started leaking. I fixed that and then the crappy taiwan chrome POS fuel line started to drip. Eventually I gave up and just put rags on the intake to make it through the 20+ minutes.

I don't even plan on using that carb, I'm going to use a different 3310 that has electric choke (cruiser theme). I thought this one with the air horn cut off was maybe a little fresher since I had used it more recently.
Nope, wrong, guess again Rich .

One header bolt leaked water. Pipe dope.

Other than that, not much of anything to report (which I'm glad about).

Here's a link to a video of me throttling it a little and changing the rpm all around at the end of the cam run in. The noise at the beginning is an old metal box fan I put in front of the rad.

http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/zippy_05/?action=view&current=MOV00704.mp4

Neither the carb or the timing are perfect, and the spark plugs are used ones from 2001 I left in there on purpose, anticipating carb issues. The old Holley did not disappoint me It's only going to get better from here.

It's molson time


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: hemi-itis] #1235831
06/13/12 03:22 AM
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Quote:

I was really expecting this car




X2

Re: "The Mule" [Re: 52savoy] #1235832
06/13/12 09:19 AM
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Quote:

Quote:

I was really expecting this car




X2




Much as I'd like for that to be it, it isn't, sorry to disappoint


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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235833
06/13/12 09:21 AM
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Rich...This has been a pretty good read!!


The end is near.....
Re: "The Mule" [Re: tboomer] #1235834
09/16/12 10:52 PM
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Been awhile...

My Dad got sick, and I lost him early in August
I miss him more than I can describe

I'm sure alot of you guys can relate to that.

It's taken me awhile to get my head screwed on straight again, but I'm almost there.

Been trying to clear clutter out and get back to work on the car projects....it took me most of the weekend but I'm ready to finish what I started on the C body now

Here's the happy recipient of the 440.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235835
09/16/12 10:54 PM
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Here's the dead soldier 400. Actually not quite dead, it fires right up but it's only got 3lbs of oil pressure, and a dead hole, certainly not much fun to drive....

7382267-polara2.jpg (150 downloads)

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235836
09/16/12 10:55 PM
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It took me most of the weekend to get to that point...had alot of stuff in there to clear out. Will be back with another installment later


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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235837
09/16/12 11:08 PM
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Very cool thread...been following it. And I am really sorry to hear about your Dad.


1.50 60Ft. , 10.75@ 127MPH Hauling 3900 LBS.
Re: "The Mule" [Re: Chargerfan68] #1235838
09/16/12 11:58 PM
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Sorry about your dad. i'm liking this project. should be lots -o-fun.

Re: "The Mule" [Re: John Burdine] #1235839
10/02/12 11:11 AM
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Thanks guys.

At times I wonder why I keep posting to this, but maybe later when the old "So and so is tired of reading about unstreetable zillion dollar engines he can't afford" discussion comes up, maybe it'll come in handy.

If nothing else it's adds to the therapy value for me, even though it is just a cheap rehash, what the heck.

I didn't know you could pull a stock big block out of a
C body without taking off the hood until I tried it. A couple quick measurements showed it was possible, but I still had my doubts...it went nice and smooth.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235840
10/02/12 11:16 AM
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The trans is out to Fraley's in Pontiac for a freshen up, and I've got a few ancillary parts on order. I'm looking forward to driving the big beastie again...

That's it for now...

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235841
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Sorry to hear about your dad. Time will eventually help. Matt

Re: "The Mule" [Re: MattW] #1235842
10/03/12 12:14 AM
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My condolances for the loss of your father.
Its no conselation, but this thread really made me smile. That build is so much like the one I did for my 84 W150 4X4 @ 5500#, It just ran amuck all over the the chevy and ford trucks and some cars here in my little part of the world. Got me to thinking, I have no less than 4 complete 440s, it may be time to unleash the power of the budget build 440 again. Thanks for the read,pics and video.

Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #2270043
03/15/17 04:11 PM
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Resurrecting a zombie thread....Man, alot of things in life have changed since I last posted to this thing. Moparts really looks different. My shop is a much bigger mess now, but I've got the hoist I always wanted and my capability has increased quite a bit. I let music take over my time for quite awhile and just recently have been getting back to the cars again.

I've still got this C body and been driving it a little bit and chasing parts with it just like the old days. Getting ready for a small interior upgrade to New Yorker seats, since the originals are pretty much shredded.

I'm not very active on here lately but am trying to stop by every so often.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #2270048
03/15/17 04:17 PM
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A couple times I have wished I went with a little more tame camshaft, but this one does sound kind of cool (and that probably does matter).

Here is an idle clip. It's a little smoother when warmed up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPXimw80wuk


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #2270299
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Awesome, Rich!

Don't be a stranger.

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