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Re: "The Mule" [Re: MikeyT] #1235820
06/10/12 12:15 AM
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Hi Mike

Wasn't really planning on any dyno efforts or racing with it to be honest, as long as it feels good to drive I'm ok with it.

But, if the big C body feels much better than expected, I might change my mind. We'll see.

It ran 15s with the original 400 and some tuning, and in that particular car 15s was OK with me, until I wore out the motor and it felt lousy to drive.

Just a cruiser

She's holding 75psi oil pressure with a speed handle, I've got good oil flow upstairs, and I tried something new (for me), I pumped up the lifters while priming to see if they would hold oil. Seems ok so all systems are go.

I'm going to try one other new thing also, I'm going to fire it up on the floor before the swap to make sure everything's cool.


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235821
06/10/12 12:25 AM
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You got your money out of that one for sure.

I like low-buck builds that just flat out work and this is one of them.


My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin!

1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.
Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235822
06/10/12 11:42 PM
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Quote:

Hi Mike

Wasn't really planning on any dyno efforts or racing with it to be honest, as long as it feels good to drive I'm ok with it.

But, if the big C body feels much better than expected, I might change my mind. We'll see.

It ran 15s with the original 400 and some tuning, and in that particular car 15s was OK with me, until I wore out the motor and it felt lousy to drive.

Just a cruiser

She's holding 75psi oil pressure with a speed handle, I've got good oil flow upstairs, and I tried something new (for me), I pumped up the lifters while priming to see if they would hold oil. Seems ok so all systems are go.

I'm going to try one other new thing also, I'm going to fire it up on the floor before the swap to make sure everything's cool.




Rich,

I'll be honest I was just curious to see what HP you could ring out of a good basic rebuild. I think you will find that you are pleasantly surprised by it. I know the XE268 is a little cam, but it worked well in my old 70 dodge with a good built 440 with better heads and headers, but that cam and 4040 lbs of B body were very close to the 12's at 107 MPH. It has a nice little raspy sound and works well with a heavy car.

Mike


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Re: "The Mule" [Re: MikeyT] #1235823
06/11/12 11:09 PM
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Got it fired up on the shop floor very briefly, couldn't run it for long because it was lacking a cooling system but I know the fuel pump works, it's got plenty of spark, the timing is somewhere close to where it needs to be, and so on.

Temporarily rigged a cooling system and the rest, but now it's too late to fire it up/loud enough to wake the dead like any 440. Ah well, always tomorrow.

I'm not proud of the whole rigged setup, but it only needs to run maybe 5 minutes at a time like this while I break in the cam. I like to do a 4 or 5 shorter break in sessions instead of one long one, so nothing gets too hot, lessens the chance of anything going haywire.

It sounds pretty good through open 2" super comps

7246587-ol4407.jpg (180 downloads)

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235824
06/11/12 11:13 PM
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Please note the highly complex and high tech ignition and oil pressure gauge mounting, using only the most expensive parts money can buy. Nothing is too good for the mule!

After it's run in for 20-30 minutes it's all coming back off anyway, so no big deal.

7246595-ol4408.jpg (180 downloads)

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235825
06/12/12 01:16 AM
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I am sorry, its kind of cute sitting there, all innocent like that! I bet it makes the flour shake when you rap it a bit!

Mike


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Re: "The Mule" [Re: MikeyT] #1235826
06/12/12 08:02 AM
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Look'in good Zip. Nice to see you've brought the back 440 to life. You could put a buffer on the out put shaft and shine the floor while you run the cam in.

Re: "The Mule" [Re: Maximus_Wedges] #1235827
06/12/12 09:41 AM
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It was loud enough to make the girl and kids run out of the house and come see what the heck was going on

All three seemed a bit flabberghasted at the volume levels, it shook the whole shop. Probably would have been quieter outside, but I didn't feel like moving that whole redneck setup outdoors just to put it back inside a few minutes later.

I was wearing hearing protection

She'll be fired up again before dinner tonight.

Since it has stock heads and I can get the lifters out without pulling anything but the valve covers/rockers, I might go the extra mile and do a visual inspection on the lifters before pronoucing it ready to swap in.


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235828
06/12/12 10:19 AM
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Subscribed, love seeing an old 440 come back to life


Re: "The Mule" [Re: racer_amx] #1235829
06/12/12 11:45 PM
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Made some more noise and wrapped up the cam break in a little before 9:00 tonight. It's got 25-30 minutes on it now.

It sounds good enough to where I think I will just run it, maintain it, keep the good/flat tappet compatible oil in it, and cross my fingers.

Did I mention I don't really even like flat tappet cams/lifters much anymore? If budget would have allowed and the whole thing were freshened up, I probably would have put a 268 solid street roller in it. But this was supposed to be a cheap once-over so I used what I already had on hand.

7248088-ol4409.JPG (144 downloads)

Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235830
06/13/12 12:09 AM
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Minor issues encountered...the float stuck on the holley and when I got that repaired, the lock screw gasket started leaking. I fixed that and then the crappy taiwan chrome POS fuel line started to drip. Eventually I gave up and just put rags on the intake to make it through the 20+ minutes.

I don't even plan on using that carb, I'm going to use a different 3310 that has electric choke (cruiser theme). I thought this one with the air horn cut off was maybe a little fresher since I had used it more recently.
Nope, wrong, guess again Rich .

One header bolt leaked water. Pipe dope.

Other than that, not much of anything to report (which I'm glad about).

Here's a link to a video of me throttling it a little and changing the rpm all around at the end of the cam run in. The noise at the beginning is an old metal box fan I put in front of the rad.

http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/zippy_05/?action=view&current=MOV00704.mp4

Neither the carb or the timing are perfect, and the spark plugs are used ones from 2001 I left in there on purpose, anticipating carb issues. The old Holley did not disappoint me It's only going to get better from here.

It's molson time


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: hemi-itis] #1235831
06/13/12 03:22 AM
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I was really expecting this car




X2

Re: "The Mule" [Re: 52savoy] #1235832
06/13/12 09:19 AM
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Quote:

I was really expecting this car




X2




Much as I'd like for that to be it, it isn't, sorry to disappoint


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235833
06/13/12 09:21 AM
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Rich...This has been a pretty good read!!


The end is near.....
Re: "The Mule" [Re: tboomer] #1235834
09/16/12 10:52 PM
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Been awhile...

My Dad got sick, and I lost him early in August
I miss him more than I can describe

I'm sure alot of you guys can relate to that.

It's taken me awhile to get my head screwed on straight again, but I'm almost there.

Been trying to clear clutter out and get back to work on the car projects....it took me most of the weekend but I'm ready to finish what I started on the C body now

Here's the happy recipient of the 440.

7382266-polara1.jpg (168 downloads)

Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235835
09/16/12 10:54 PM
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Here's the dead soldier 400. Actually not quite dead, it fires right up but it's only got 3lbs of oil pressure, and a dead hole, certainly not much fun to drive....

7382267-polara2.jpg (150 downloads)

Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235836
09/16/12 10:55 PM
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It took me most of the weekend to get to that point...had alot of stuff in there to clear out. Will be back with another installment later


Rich H.

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Re: "The Mule" [Re: ZIPPY] #1235837
09/16/12 11:08 PM
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Very cool thread...been following it. And I am really sorry to hear about your Dad.


1.50 60Ft. , 10.75@ 127MPH Hauling 3900 LBS.
Re: "The Mule" [Re: Chargerfan68] #1235838
09/16/12 11:58 PM
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Sorry about your dad. i'm liking this project. should be lots -o-fun.

Re: "The Mule" [Re: John Burdine] #1235839
10/02/12 11:11 AM
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Thanks guys.

At times I wonder why I keep posting to this, but maybe later when the old "So and so is tired of reading about unstreetable zillion dollar engines he can't afford" discussion comes up, maybe it'll come in handy.

If nothing else it's adds to the therapy value for me, even though it is just a cheap rehash, what the heck.

I didn't know you could pull a stock big block out of a
C body without taking off the hood until I tried it. A couple quick measurements showed it was possible, but I still had my doubts...it went nice and smooth.

7403746-400pull.jpg (92 downloads)

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