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Re: vin question???????
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could you have say a 70 rr parked next to a 70 gtx and both cars have the same vin with the exception of the rm and the rs?
not if they were built at the same plant
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Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies).
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Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though.
You need to provide us with more details on this. This is the kind of thing we like to hear about. What's the year, make/model VIN etc ?
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Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies).
Tav
Actually because they did make typos in the VIN tags it would be possible, but it wouldn't be intentional.
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Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though.
You need to provide us with more details on this. This is the kind of thing we like to hear about. What's the year, make/model VIN etc ?
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We are all ears!
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Re: vin question???????
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How's that? Is that what Belvedere built?
I'm anxious to learn more about this car.
Without any documentation ???
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How's that? Is that what Belvedere built?
I'm anxious to learn more about this car.
Without any documentation ???
Was interested in learning what kind of car it was.
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Chrysler also was the only one of the big three to make concept cars for the auto show that were actually road worthy.
This is not true.
I think your perception about a bunch of things is slightly off.
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Dart 340,
I don't doubt that your stories might hold water, but I have a pretty good idea that you'd be taken far more seriously if you backed them up with some facts or some evidence to support them....
No, I agree. I will be call my brother and father to see if they have anything left as evidence on the car. My father probably knows of some others that they built as specials when he was at the plant. Since my brother still works for Chrysler he may have some other sources for the info. Even the old VIN tag would help.
I was hoping a few others would chime in on this. I know it went on. I am not saying it was always on the up and up in some occasions.
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It is true. Ford and Chevy did not make cars that were "real and road worthy" in other words, Chrysler build cars on real frames and chassis.
You should tell it to the people who own some GM show cars - I'm sure they'd be surprised to learn their cars are not drivable.
And have I missed it, or you haven't mentioned what kind of Mopar you're talking about?
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It is true. Ford and Chevy did not make cars that were "real and road worthy" in other words, Chrysler build cars on real frames and chassis.
You should tell it to the people who own some GM show cars - I'm sure they'd be surprised to learn their cars are not drivable.
And have I missed it, or you haven't mentioned what kind of Mopar you're talking about?
If they have concept cars and they are complete then I am sorry to tell your friends they got fleeced. It happens.
C body, um Belvidere plant.....
No docs left on the 68, however there are for the TC3 that was done in the early 80's. That received the same treatment. Yes I have proof.
Want to buy a copy of the paperwork? I need a new aluminum radiator.
Richard, I am not sure what you did on the line, but if you were UAW and did not ever this happen your grade was most likely too low.
Did any of you catch the 68 barracuda convert that sold on e bay a year or two ago that was a one of a kind? Was make for a Detroit exec. Looked like the same deal.
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It's your tall tale you supply the proof. Why should anyone have to pay you for it? That's the kind of garbage a BS artist uses.
I have the proof. How about I show it to someone else who posts on here so they can verify.
Again I am sorry if you were never in a position to be able to do this. This was not meant as a rub in your face because you did not have the pull to do something similar during your working career. Don't take it all the wrong way and personal.
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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you the BS artist. I offer to prove it and again you are the one that can't be made happy. I think we are developing a pattern here. I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel shorted that someone else was able to do something you were not.
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If they have concept cars and they are complete then I am sorry to tell your friends they got fleeced. It happens.
I'm sure the people in the media who featured these cars would be surprised to know they were hoodwinked. Ditto for the owners who bought them at Barrett-Jackson.
So far, you haven't mentioned what kind of car it is or how it was equipped. And then you show your ignorance when you talk about Brand X. While I think some of the responses to you have been a tad harsh, I really can't blame 'em - you're bringing nothing to the table except speculation and ignorance. For your own sake (and ours!), please change the direction of this thread.
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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you the BS artist.
I offer to prove it and again you are the one that can't be made happy. I think we are developing a pattern here.
I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel shorted that someone else was able to do something you were not.
I would sure like to se you tell my long time friend to his face his Boss 429 isn't roadwothhy.
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If they have concept cars and they are complete then I am sorry to tell your friends they got fleeced. It happens.
I'm sure the people in the media who featured these cars would be surprised to know they were hoodwinked. Ditto for the owners who bought them at Barrett-Jackson.
So far, you haven't mentioned what kind of car it is or how it was equipped. And then you show your ignorance when you talk about Brand X. While I think some of the responses to you have been a tad harsh, I really can't blame 'em - you're bringing nothing to the table except speculation and ignorance. For your own sake (and ours!), please change the direction of this thread.
There is a difference between a concept car and a show car. I had hoped I made that clear. What I meant as a concept car is a car that never made it to production.
Diago, I will not see my father for 2 weeks. When I do if you are still interested in the documentation let me know and I will get it for YOU. He has it on the tc3 which I stated above, not the c body.
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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you the BS artist.
I offer to prove it and again you are the one that can't be made happy. I think we are developing a pattern here.
I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel shorted that someone else was able to do something you were not.
Boy,your location fits you like a glove!
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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you the BS artist.
I offer to prove it and again you are the one that can't be made happy. I think we are developing a pattern here.
I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel shorted that someone else was able to do something you were not.
Boy,your location fits you like a glove!
Yea thats because I live next to you.......
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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you the BS artist.
I offer to prove it and again you are the one that can't be made happy. I think we are developing a pattern here.
I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel shorted that someone else was able to do something you were not.
Boy,your location fits you like a glove!
Yea thats because I live next to you.......
You're not even close!
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Richard,
Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a copy of the paperwork?
MAybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?
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Richard,
Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a copy of the paperwork?
Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?
It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.
People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.
It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.
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Never said I was fired. Ex means used to be. You can't even read english.
This has been unbelievable entertainment for me. Thank you all. Moparts should thank me also as the views are up over 650!! that's awesome!
I have had a ton of PM's and even emails. I concede on the fact that other concept cars have arisen and been sold.
As for special cars, more than one member has sent me their personal history, memories etc on the fact that it did indeed happen, and specials, some legal others shady did leave the plants. Thank you for sending me this, all of you. It's much appreciated.
God bless. Oh and I believe in God, even with no paperwork in hand, or proof.
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God bless. Oh and I believe in God, even with no paperwork in hand, or proof.
And if you did I bet there would be a price for it!
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It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.
I fail to see someone making that claim, considering no information was given about the car in the first place.
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Richard,
Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a copy of the paperwork?
Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?
It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.
People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.
It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.
It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.
There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone.
Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running....
And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
Well at least there are a bunch of us on this board that know.
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Richard,
Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a copy of the paperwork?
Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?
It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.
People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.
It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.
It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.
There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone.
Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running....
And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
Well at least there are a bunch of us on this board that know.
Many people claim 'special' or 'extra'; few have proof.
Much of the confusion of what was and wasn't available is just not really knowing what truly was and wasn't available from the factory for a specific time frame of the producion year.
Many options were added, deleted or substituted during production. A late built car may have something that an early year car may not. It's not that the late car is 'special' it's just the option became available.
Much information printed through the years is just plain wrong and repeated in other magazines or books. If you read something in a book or magazine reagarding prodution information or options...trust but verify through another source particularly Chrysler released information.
Even Mopar info can be wrong. Numerous mistakes show up in brochures and books. Trust but verify. Do your own research.
Having said that...anyone making a claim that their car is 'special' or has something 'extra' that reportidly wasn't issued or released by Chrysler has the burden of proof to back up their statement.
As far as 'experts' on this board...yes there are some very knowledgeable people that have spent years researching and documenting cars instead of accepting myths, half-truths or out right wrong info about what did and didn't happen. They will help with accurate information if it is requested.
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1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!
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It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants. There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone. Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running.... And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
Many people claim 'special' or 'extra'; few have proof.
Much of the confusion of what was and wasn't available is just not really knowing what truly was and wasn't available from the factory for a specific time frame of the production year.
Many options were added, deleted or substituted during production. A late built car may have something that an early year car may not. It's not that the late car is 'special' it's just the option became available.
Much information printed through the years is just plain wrong and repeated in other magazines or books. If you read something in a book or magazine regarding production information or options...trust but verify through another source particularly Chrysler released information.
Even Mopar info can be wrong. Numerous mistakes show up in brochures and books. Trust but verify. Do your own research.
Having said that...anyone making a claim that their car is 'special' or has something 'extra' that reportedly wasn't issued or released by Chrysler has the burden of proof to back up their statement.
As far as 'experts' on this board...yes there are some very knowledgeable people that have spent years researching and documenting cars instead of accepting myths, half-truths or out right wrong info about what did and didn't happen. They will help with accurate information if it is requested.
First I would like to say, I have no burden. I replied to this post stating that anything can and did happen with Chrysler during those years on the assembly line. I know this for a fact, as do others who have posted on this. My brother owned one of these cars. This is a fact. There is nothing for me to prove, and to be honest I wouldn't care anyway. I know what was. It is a fact that cars had things tweaked out on the line. Chrysler employees know it. Other than that, who cares? Some *ss who wants to rip someone off by doctoring documentation? Probably, this web board is littered with them.
Yes there are some great and knowledgeable people on this site, most are not. The person I know who even Galen recognizes as the A body expert would not be found on here because it's simply a waste of his time with all the drama.
And for the record, I did offer to dig up proof, but since my father is in another state it will take a few weeks. So for "dumpy" if you can in fact read AND comprehend, I know it's a lot to ask here, another state doesn't mean I can scan and email the same night.
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Oddities. 68 Belvedere wagon with 383 4 speed. Chrysler exec car. My 71 440+6 Cuda with argent shaker and grille. Who knows?
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Oddities. 68 Belvedere wagon with 383 4 speed. Chrysler exec car.
There's nothing really odd about that - it was something that was available to anyone in the public.
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As far as your comment about knowledgeable on this site,"most are not" if you have a problem with it don't respond to it.
That is exactly my stance with most topics on this site. I have PM'd a number of people here who have asked for legitimate help and have given it, if they want it, even if it costs me time and money. I know other members have done the same, and my hats off to them, in the few numbers that they are.
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