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could you have say a 70 rr parked next to a 70 gtx and both cars have the same vin with the exception of the rm and the rs?

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Can the production number part of any two VINs in the same model year be the same?

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Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies).

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could you have say a 70 rr parked next to a 70 gtx and both cars have the same vin with the exception of the rm and the rs?




not if they were built at the same plant

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Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies).






Tav

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Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist
and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though.

I have seen cars that vin numbers were royally screwed up when they were pulled from the line to have something repaired before plugged back in.

Mopar had some real challenges in the 60's 70' and 80's. That is what makes many of them so unique.

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Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist
and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though.






You need to provide us with more details on this.
This is the kind of thing we like to hear about.
What's the year, make/model VIN etc ?

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Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies).






Tav




Actually because they did make typos in the VIN tags it would be possible, but it wouldn't be intentional.

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Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist
and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though.






You need to provide us with more details on this.
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What's the year, make/model VIN etc ?

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When my father worked at the plant it was not as uncommon as you might think, that when a car was an employee purchase, certain liberties were taken on the production line. On my brothers car, they dropped in a motor that was not an option, added all sorts of other items to the interior and drivetrain. He had a rough time getting parts from the parts store though as he always had to say I have this motor or trans, don't worry about the car! He even had a really nice factory tag riveted in on the car that said specially manufactured for.... wish he wouldn't have totaled that car......... can you imagine what that could have been worth!

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can you imagine what that could have been worth!




Not really ... because WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND OF CAR IT IS!

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can you imagine what that could have been worth!




Not really ... because WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND OF CAR IT IS!




We have a pretty good idea it was a "C" body.


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How's that? Is that what Belvedere built?

I'm anxious to learn more about this car.

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How's that? Is that what Belvedere built?

I'm anxious to learn more about this car.




Without any documentation ???

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Great guess on the C body.

I will look and see if my brother or father has any old documentation, knowing my father, he still has something somewhere.

The point I was trying to make is that it was done more often than people might think. Don't think for a minute that employee cars were not
tweaked slightly or radically.

Chrysler also was the only one of the big three to make concept cars for the auto show that were actually road worthy. Has anyone heard of the Dodge Diablo that turned up a few years back?
The concept car was supposedly destroyed as they "all were after the show", however many were not truly destroyed but live out their days locked away in the designers garage. The Diablo now resides in Chicago in a private collection, and yes it is very real and very cool.

These things exist and they are out there. I wish some other UAW brat would chime in and add to the stories. This would make a great topic on its own.

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How's that? Is that what Belvedere built?

I'm anxious to learn more about this car.




Without any documentation ???




Was interested in learning what kind of car it was.


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Chrysler also was the only one of the big three to make concept cars for the auto show that were actually road worthy.




This is not true.

I think your perception about a bunch of things is slightly off.

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It is true. Ford and Chevy did not make cars that were "real and road worthy" in other words, Chrysler build cars on real frames and chassis.

As for my brothers car, I drove it.

A handful were built like that. Depends who you
knew and where you fell in the UAW. My father was
high enough up and had close friends managing
plants in Detroit.

I ran a model shop and engineered gauges for the top aftermarket high performance gauge manufacturer in the world. Don't think for minute,
that I don't have things that are one of a kind and that you could never own....

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Dart 340,

I don't doubt that your stories might hold water, but I have a pretty good idea that you'd be taken far more seriously if you backed them up with some facts or some evidence to support them....


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I don't doubt that your stories might hold water, but I have a pretty good idea that you'd be taken far more seriously if you backed them up with some facts or some evidence to support them....






No, I agree. I will be call my brother and father to see if they have anything left as evidence on the car. My father probably knows of some others that they built as specials when he was at the plant. Since my brother still works for Chrysler he may have some other sources for the info. Even the old VIN tag would help.

I was hoping a few others would chime in on this. I know it went on. I am not saying it was always on the up and up in some occasions.

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Proof please. Ex 60s assembly line worker.

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It is true. Ford and Chevy did not make cars that were "real and road worthy" in other words, Chrysler build cars on real frames and chassis.





You should tell it to the people who own some GM show cars - I'm sure they'd be surprised to learn their cars are not drivable.

And have I missed it, or you haven't mentioned what kind of Mopar you're talking about?

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It is true. Ford and Chevy did not make cars that were "real and road worthy" in other words, Chrysler build cars on real frames and chassis.





You should tell it to the people who own some GM show cars - I'm sure they'd be surprised to learn their cars are not drivable.

And have I missed it, or you haven't mentioned what kind of Mopar you're talking about?




If they have concept cars and they are complete then I am sorry to tell your friends they got fleeced. It happens.

C body, um Belvidere plant.....

No docs left on the 68, however there are for the TC3 that was done in the early 80's. That received the same treatment. Yes I have proof.

Want to buy a copy of the paperwork? I need a new
aluminum radiator.

Richard, I am not sure what you did on the line, but if you were UAW and did not ever this happen your grade was most likely too low.

Did any of you catch the 68 barracuda convert that sold on e bay a year or two ago that was a
one of a kind? Was make for a Detroit exec. Looked like the same deal.

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I was an inspector. No proof then it's just another story.

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Richard,

Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a
copy of the paperwork?

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It's your tall tale you supply the proof. Why should anyone have to pay you for it? That's the kind of garbage a BS artist uses.

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It's your tall tale you supply the proof. Why should anyone have to pay you for it? That's the kind of garbage a BS artist uses.






Sorry Doug, the burden of proof is yours although it sounds like it doesn't exist for the C Body in question..........Oh and Diego is right.

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It's your tall tale you supply the proof. Why should anyone have to pay you for it? That's the kind of garbage a BS artist uses.




I have the proof. How about I show it to someone
else who posts on here so they can verify.

Again I am sorry if you were never in a position to be able to do this. This was not meant as a rub in your face because you did not
have the pull to do something similar during your
working career. Don't take it all the wrong way and personal.

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BS again. I bet this is also your miata. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post4695319

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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you
the BS artist.

I offer to prove it and again you are the one that
can't be made happy. I think we are developing a
pattern here.

I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel
shorted that someone else was able to do something
you were not.

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You still haven't provided any proof. Why should anyone take your word without it? I called you on it and still you have proved nothing. I didn't claim to have these fantasy cars. So how do you figure I am BSing anyone?

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If they have concept cars and they are complete then I am sorry to tell your friends they got fleeced. It happens.





I'm sure the people in the media who featured these cars would be surprised to know they were hoodwinked. Ditto for the owners who bought them at Barrett-Jackson.

So far, you haven't mentioned what kind of car it is or how it was equipped. And then you show your ignorance when you talk about Brand X. While I think some of the responses to you have been a tad harsh, I really can't blame 'em - you're bringing nothing to the table except speculation and ignorance. For your own sake (and ours!), please change the direction of this thread.

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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you
the BS artist.

I offer to prove it and again you are the one that
can't be made happy. I think we are developing a
pattern here.

I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel
shorted that someone else was able to do something
you were not.





I would sure like to se you tell my long time friend to his face his Boss 429 isn't roadwothhy.

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If they have concept cars and they are complete then I am sorry to tell your friends they got fleeced. It happens.





I'm sure the people in the media who featured these cars would be surprised to know they were hoodwinked. Ditto for the owners who bought them at Barrett-Jackson.

So far, you haven't mentioned what kind of car it is or how it was equipped. And then you show your ignorance when you talk about Brand X. While I think some of the responses to you have been a tad harsh, I really can't blame 'em - you're bringing nothing to the table except speculation and ignorance. For your own sake (and ours!), please change the direction of this thread.





There is a difference between a concept car and
a show car. I had hoped I made that clear. What I meant as a concept car is a car that never made it to production.

Diago, I will not see my father for 2 weeks. When I do if you are still interested in the documentation let me know and I will get it for YOU. He has it on the tc3 which I stated above, not the c body.

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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you
the BS artist.

I offer to prove it and again you are the one that
can't be made happy. I think we are developing a
pattern here.

I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel
shorted that someone else was able to do something
you were not.




Boy,your location fits you like a glove!

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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you
the BS artist.

I offer to prove it and again you are the one that
can't be made happy. I think we are developing a
pattern here.

I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel
shorted that someone else was able to do something
you were not.




Boy,your location fits you like a glove!




Yea thats because I live next to you.......

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I have the proof and you don't so that makes you
the BS artist.

I offer to prove it and again you are the one that
can't be made happy. I think we are developing a
pattern here.

I will end this knowing you are bitter and feel
shorted that someone else was able to do something
you were not.




Boy,your location fits you like a glove!




Yea thats because I live next to you.......





You're not even close!

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It's your tall tale you supply the proof. Why should anyone have to pay you for it? That's the kind of garbage a BS artist uses.




I have the proof. How about I show it to someone
else who posts on here so they can verify.




I'll volunteer if you are interested. I'm somewhat familiar with what was and wasn't supposed to be available on certain models.


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It's your tall tale you supply the proof. Why should anyone have to pay you for it? That's the kind of garbage a BS artist uses.




I have the proof. How about I show it to someone
else who posts on here so they can verify.




I'll volunteer if you are interested. I'm somewhat familiar with what was and wasn't supposed to be available on certain models.




Somewhat? You're being too modest again Doug!




Dave


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Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123123
09/23/08 03:13 PM
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Richard,

Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a
copy of the paperwork?




MAybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #123124
09/23/08 03:36 PM
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Quote:

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Richard,

Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a
copy of the paperwork?




Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?




It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.

People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know
then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.

It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.




Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123125
09/23/08 06:02 PM
09/23/08 06:02 PM
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Scan,email,post-cost $0 saving your reputation- priceless. more excuses- worthless

Re: vin question??????? [Re: stumpy] #123126
09/23/08 10:28 PM
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Not my reputation, you're the one who said you were fired from Chrysler in the 60's. Probably for not catching one the specials that got through.

Bad stumpy, bad stumpy.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123127
09/23/08 10:44 PM
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This thread needs to go the way of the dodo bird, original question was answered.


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Re: vin question??????? [Re: Crazy73] #123128
09/23/08 10:53 PM
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I so agree, have a moderator delete it. If we
say Wand Tand F they will find it.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123129
09/23/08 11:02 PM
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Never said I was fired. Ex means used to be. You can't even read english. When you get old enough to hold a full time job you will understand what that means.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: stumpy] #123130
09/23/08 11:13 PM
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Never said I was fired. Ex means used to be. You can't even read english.




This has been unbelievable entertainment for me.
Thank you all. Moparts should thank me also as the views are up over 650!! that's awesome!

I have had a ton of PM's and even emails. I concede on the fact that other concept cars have arisen and been sold.

As for special cars, more than one member has sent me their personal history, memories etc on the fact that it did indeed happen, and specials, some legal others shady did leave the plants. Thank you for sending me this, all of you. It's much appreciated.

God bless. Oh and I believe in God, even with no
paperwork in hand, or proof.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123131
09/24/08 09:39 AM
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God bless. Oh and I believe in God, even with no
paperwork in hand, or proof.




And if you did I bet there would be a price for it!

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123132
09/24/08 02:43 PM
09/24/08 02:43 PM
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Quote:

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Richard,

Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a
copy of the paperwork?




Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?




It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.

People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know
then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.

It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.








It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.

There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone.

Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running....

And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.


Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
Re: vin question??????? [Re: SNK-EYZ] #123133
09/24/08 03:14 PM
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It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.





I fail to see someone making that claim, considering no information was given about the car in the first place.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: SNK-EYZ] #123134
09/24/08 04:07 PM
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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

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Richard,

Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a
copy of the paperwork?




Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?




It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.

People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know
then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.

It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.








It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.

There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone.

Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running....

And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.




Well at least there are a bunch of us on this board that know.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123135
09/24/08 06:20 PM
09/24/08 06:20 PM
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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Richard,

Please read above. I do have proof. Want to buy a
copy of the paperwork?




Maybe this is a dumb question...but why would the "paperwork" be of any value? Or something to be held in secret?




It's not, everyone else seems to be making a huge deal out of it. It will cost me to have it sent so I can make copies right away otherwise I won't be able to get it for a few weeks.

People all start being jerks about how something can or cannot be. If they the expert don't know
then it can't be and you are a liar. Most can't even read from the looks of the responses I have gotten, as they missed half of it. Way too big of egos on this post.

It's quite comical actually, and has been a great source of entertainment on this post.








It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.

There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone.

Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running....

And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.




Well at least there are a bunch of us on this board that know.




Many people claim 'special' or 'extra'; few have proof.

Much of the confusion of what was and wasn't available is just not really knowing what truly was and wasn't available from the factory for a specific time frame of the producion year.

Many options were added, deleted or substituted during production. A late built car may have something that an early year car may not. It's not that the late car is 'special' it's just the option became available.

Much information printed through the years is just plain wrong and repeated in other magazines or books. If you read something in a book or magazine reagarding prodution information or options...trust but verify through another source particularly Chrysler released information.

Even Mopar info can be wrong. Numerous mistakes show up in brochures and books. Trust but verify. Do your own research.

Having said that...anyone making a claim that their car is 'special' or has something 'extra' that reportidly wasn't issued or released by Chrysler has the burden of proof to back up their statement.

As far as 'experts' on this board...yes there are some very knowledgeable people that have spent years researching and documenting cars instead of accepting myths, half-truths or out right wrong info about what did and didn't happen. They will help with accurate information if it is requested.


Seeking:

1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs.
Over 2,000 thanks to you!
Re: vin question??????? [Re: 69CoronetRT] #123136
09/24/08 07:20 PM
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Finally,common sense!

Re: vin question??????? [Re: 69CoronetRT] #123137
09/24/08 08:56 PM
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It's always entertaining when all the "Experts" start saying what was or wasn't available from the assembly plants.

There were times when "extra" options were put on employee vehicles, those days are gone.

Nowadays everything is checked to make sure that the part on the track sheet (build sheet) is the correct one that was installed. Alot of the parts are scanned so the system can keep track of what part was installed. No substitutions no matter what. At one time the would allow some things to be upgraded if the correct part was out of stock (like a class 4 trailer tow if they ran out of class 3). Anything to keep the line running....

And yes, I work for Chrysler so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.





Many people claim 'special' or 'extra'; few have proof.

Much of the confusion of what was and wasn't available is just not really knowing what truly was and wasn't available from the factory for a specific time frame of the production year.

Many options were added, deleted or substituted during production. A late built car may have something that an early year car may not. It's not that the late car is 'special' it's just the option became available.

Much information printed through the years is just plain wrong and repeated in other magazines or books. If you read something in a book or magazine regarding production information or options...trust but verify through another source particularly Chrysler released information.

Even Mopar info can be wrong. Numerous mistakes show up in brochures and books. Trust but verify. Do your own research.

Having said that...anyone making a claim that their car is 'special' or has something 'extra' that reportedly wasn't issued or released by Chrysler has the burden of proof to back up their statement.

As far as 'experts' on this board...yes there are some very knowledgeable people that have spent years researching and documenting cars instead of accepting myths, half-truths or out right wrong info about what did and didn't happen. They will help with accurate information if it is requested.




First I would like to say, I have no burden. I replied to this post stating that anything can and did happen with Chrysler during those years
on the assembly line. I know this for a fact, as
do others who have posted on this. My brother owned one of these cars. This is a fact. There is
nothing for me to prove, and to be honest I wouldn't care anyway. I know what was. It is a fact that cars had things tweaked out on the line. Chrysler employees know it. Other than that, who cares? Some *ss who wants to rip someone off by doctoring documentation? Probably, this web board is littered with them.

Yes there are some great and knowledgeable people on this site, most are not. The person I know who even Galen recognizes as the A body expert would not be found on here because it's simply a waste of his time with all the drama.

And for the record, I did offer to dig up proof, but since my father is in another state it will take a few weeks. So for "dumpy" if you can in fact read AND comprehend, I know it's a lot to
ask here, another state doesn't mean I can scan and email the same night.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123138
09/24/08 09:18 PM
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Oddities. 68 Belvedere wagon with 383 4 speed. Chrysler exec car.
My 71 440+6 Cuda with argent shaker and grille.

Who knows?


TR Waters
Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123139
09/24/08 09:21 PM
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You know,you really need to lighten up and drop the name calling.As far as your comment about knowledgeable on this site,"most are not" if you have a problem with it don't respond to it.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: TrWaters] #123140
09/24/08 10:06 PM
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Oddities. 68 Belvedere wagon with 383 4 speed. Chrysler exec car.





There's nothing really odd about that - it was something that was available to anyone in the public.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: I go fast] #123141
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As far as your comment about knowledgeable on this site,"most are not" if you have a problem with it don't respond to it.




That is exactly my stance with most topics on this site. I have PM'd a number of people here who have asked for legitimate help and have given it, if they want it, even if it costs me time and money.
I know other members have done the same, and my hats off to them, in the few numbers that they are.

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