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vin question??????? #123083 09/19/08 10:43 AM 09/19/08 10:43 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 464 C cmansell OP mopar
cmansell OP mopar C Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 464	could you have say a 70 rr parked next to a 70 gtx and both cars have the same vin with the exception of the rm and the rs?

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Re: vin question??????? #123085 09/19/08 10:49 AM 09/19/08 10:49 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,065 Milwaukee, WI In_The_Pink master
In_The_Pink master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,065 Milwaukee, WI	Can the production number part of any two VINs in the same model year be the same?

Re: vin question??????? [Re: In_The_Pink] #123086 09/19/08 10:54 AM 09/19/08 10:54 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,677 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,677 Fresno, CA	Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies).

Re: vin question??????? [Re: cmansell] #123087 09/19/08 12:52 PM 09/19/08 12:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: could you have say a 70 rr parked next to a 70 gtx and both cars have the same vin with the exception of the rm and the rs? not if they were built at the same plant

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #123088 09/19/08 01:51 PM 09/19/08 01:51 PM
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cataclysm80 master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Quote: Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies). Tav

Re: vin question??????? [Re: cataclysm80] #123089 09/19/08 02:19 PM 09/19/08 02:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though. I have seen cars that vin numbers were royally screwed up when they were pulled from the line to have something repaired before plugged back in. Mopar had some real challenges in the 60's 70' and 80's. That is what makes many of them so unique.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123090 09/19/08 02:46 PM 09/19/08 02:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,247 Alabama BigMoneyLewis master
BigMoneyLewis master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,247 Alabama	Quote: Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though. You need to provide us with more details on this. This is the kind of thing we like to hear about. What's the year, make/model VIN etc ? Wards Classic Car Radio Repair Specializing in restoration and sales of Mopar A B E body radios We can restore YOUR radio usually in less than 7 days Visit our NEW website.. http://www.wardsclassiccarradiorepair.com gregward@mchsi.com phone 256-852-0955 gregward@mchsi.com phone 256-852-0955

Re: vin question??????? [Re: cataclysm80] #123091 09/19/08 02:58 PM 09/19/08 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT KISSAlien I Live Here
KISSAlien I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT	Quote: Quote: Two cars could have identical VINs with the exception of the assembly plant. This doesn't hold true for cars that were only built at one plant (like convertible a-bodies). Tav Actually because they did make typos in the VIN tags it would be possible, but it wouldn't be intentional.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #123092 09/19/08 03:34 PM 09/19/08 03:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,064 Arlington, Texas earlybee master
earlybee master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,064 Arlington, Texas	Quote: Quote: Well knowing MOPAR anything is possible. My father worked at the assembly plant in Belvidere for over 30 years. The stories I could tell. Anyway, my brother bought a brand new car that was assembled there and bought from a local dealer that according to the numbers can never exist. It had an engine that was not an option, options that didn't exist and a build sheet that was one of a kind. All the paperwork was in order from the factory though. You need to provide us with more details on this. This is the kind of thing we like to hear about. What's the year, make/model VIN etc ? Wards Classic Car Radio Repair Specializing in restoration and sales of Mopar A B E body radios We can restore YOUR radio usually in less than 7 days Visit our NEW website.. http://www.wardsclassiccarradiorepair.com gregward@mchsi.com phone 256-852-0955 We are all ears!

Re: vin question??????? [Re: earlybee] #123093 09/19/08 03:49 PM 09/19/08 03:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	When my father worked at the plant it was not as uncommon as you might think, that when a car was an employee purchase, certain liberties were taken on the production line. On my brothers car, they dropped in a motor that was not an option, added all sorts of other items to the interior and drivetrain. He had a rough time getting parts from the parts store though as he always had to say I have this motor or trans, don't worry about the car! He even had a really nice factory tag riveted in on the car that said specially manufactured for.... wish he wouldn't have totaled that car......... can you imagine what that could have been worth!

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123094 09/19/08 08:29 PM 09/19/08 08:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts
Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Quote: can you imagine what that could have been worth! Not really ... because WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND OF CAR IT IS!

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #123095 09/19/08 09:46 PM 09/19/08 09:46 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa 69CoronetRT master
69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: Quote: can you imagine what that could have been worth! Not really ... because WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT KIND OF CAR IT IS! We have a pretty good idea it was a "C" body. Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: vin question??????? [Re: 69CoronetRT] #123096 09/22/08 07:33 AM 09/22/08 07:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts
Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	How's that? Is that what Belvedere built? I'm anxious to learn more about this car.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #123097 09/22/08 08:02 AM 09/22/08 08:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: How's that? Is that what Belvedere built? I'm anxious to learn more about this car. Without any documentation ???

Re: vin question??????? [Re: JohnRR] #123098 09/22/08 10:19 AM 09/22/08 10:19 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Great guess on the C body. I will look and see if my brother or father has any old documentation, knowing my father, he still has something somewhere. The point I was trying to make is that it was done more often than people might think. Don't think for a minute that employee cars were not tweaked slightly or radically. Chrysler also was the only one of the big three to make concept cars for the auto show that were actually road worthy. Has anyone heard of the Dodge Diablo that turned up a few years back? The concept car was supposedly destroyed as they "all were after the show", however many were not truly destroyed but live out their days locked away in the designers garage. The Diablo now resides in Chicago in a private collection, and yes it is very real and very cool. These things exist and they are out there. I wish some other UAW brat would chime in and add to the stories. This would make a great topic on its own.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: JohnRR] #123099 09/22/08 12:11 PM 09/22/08 12:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts
Diego (not Ted) Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Quote: Quote: How's that? Is that what Belvedere built? I'm anxious to learn more about this car. Without any documentation ??? Was interested in learning what kind of car it was. Quote: Chrysler also was the only one of the big three to make concept cars for the auto show that were actually road worthy. This is not true. I think your perception about a bunch of things is slightly off.

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #123100 09/22/08 12:39 PM 09/22/08 12:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	It is true. Ford and Chevy did not make cars that were "real and road worthy" in other words, Chrysler build cars on real frames and chassis. As for my brothers car, I drove it. A handful were built like that. Depends who you knew and where you fell in the UAW. My father was high enough up and had close friends managing plants in Detroit. I ran a model shop and engineered gauges for the top aftermarket high performance gauge manufacturer in the world. Don't think for minute, that I don't have things that are one of a kind and that you could never own....

Re: vin question??????? [Re: Dart 340] #123101 09/22/08 12:47 PM 09/22/08 12:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Dart 340, I don't doubt that your stories might hold water, but I have a pretty good idea that you'd be taken far more seriously if you backed them up with some facts or some evidence to support them....

Re: vin question??????? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #123102 09/22/08 12:58 PM 09/22/08 12:58 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north! D Dart 340 moparts member
Dart 340 moparts member D Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,195 Snowing in the north!	Quote: Dart 340, I don't doubt that your stories might hold water, but I have a pretty good idea that you'd be taken far more seriously if you backed them up with some facts or some evidence to support them.... No, I agree. I will be call my brother and father to see if they have anything left as evidence on the car. My father probably knows of some others that they built as specials when he was at the plant. Since my brother still works for Chrysler he may have some other sources for the info. Even the old VIN tag would help. I was hoping a few others would chime in on this. I know it went on. I am not saying it was always on the up and up in some occasions.

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