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ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? #1228625
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Have been looking at the alterkation front end for some time for my cuda. Just don't have the $ now. This month's issue of mopar action made them seem like a piece of junk. How can this be if there has never been a failure that i have heard about and they are pounded at tracks all over week after week? U think this guy has it in for the manufacturer or knows about something the rest of us don't know? It just put some doubt in my pea brain.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: cudaboone] #1228626
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I thought the author of that article explained himself very good.

I guess if you think it will work for you, go for it.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Dodgeguy101] #1228627
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Can you post some quotes/excerpts of the article?

Is that Rich Ehrenberg or something like that? I know he's a big proponent of making the stock stuff works, but he may be still stuck in the 20th century.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #1228628
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Can you post some quotes/excerpts of the article?

Is that Rich Ehrenberg or something like that? I know he's a big proponent of making the stock stuff works, but he may be still stuck in the 20th century.




Doubtful...

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Challenger 1] #1228629
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I saw a failure once, and I have never seen anything with an alter k road racing.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Challenger 1] #1228630
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isnt the unit based on mustang II? even mustang II guys upgrade to granada brakes------they are selling a premium price unit telling you that you can, at extra expense, upgrade the brakes...

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: savoy64] #1228631
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isnt the unit based on mustang II? even mustang II guys upgrade to granada brakes------they are selling a premium price unit telling you that you can, at extra expense, upgrade the brakes...




Not really. It just uses an aftermarket spindle similiar to Mustang II. That's it. It has Mopar upper ball joints K727. Does that make it a Mopar base unit?...No

The standard brakes on the AlterKion are the same size at standard brakes on a A/B/E-body.

Are you sure the brakes are not Granada rotors?? If not, they are the same size.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #1228632
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I saw a failure once, and I have never seen anything with an alter k road racing.


What failed on the alterkation?????

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: 540challenger] #1228633
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My Alterktion has granada rotors.
The guys on Muscle Block T.V. just put
one on their project Dart.
Ask them if it's junk.

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Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: cudaboone] #1228634
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Have been looking at the alterkation front end for some time for my cuda. Just don't have the $ now. This month's issue of mopar action made them seem like a piece of junk. How can this be if there has never been a failure that i have heard about and they are pounded at tracks all over week after week? U think this guy has it in for the manufacturer or knows about something the rest of us don't know? It just put some doubt in my pea brain.




Did the article specifically say they hated it? Those are pretty harsh words you are implying were said or meant by Mopar Action. What was really said? Sorry I haven't read the article.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: demon440] #1228635
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Like they would tell you a sponsor's product is junk.

Kevin

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Twostick] #1228636
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The question that arose in MY 'pea brain' is have I made a mistake getting the adjustable tubular uppers with rod ends instead of bushings?
Mr.Reilly assured me they were plenty durable and beefy for extended street use.
(all the rest of my suspension is stock Mopar.
??????

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Sixgun] #1228637
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The question that arose in MY 'pea brain' is have I made a mistake getting the adjustable tubular uppers with rod ends instead of bushings?
Mr.Reilly assured me they were plenty durable and beefy for extended street use.
(all the rest of my suspension is stock Mopar.
??????




Bill's name is on the product and I know he stands behind it - It's his company and his workmanship that have made the AlterK.

Magazines are full of opinions, and not necessarily based on cold hard facts.

I'd have to side with Bill on this - he is the one you'd be calling IF there ever was an issue not the mopar mag.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Sixgun] #1228638
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The question that arose in MY 'pea brain' is have I made a mistake getting the adjustable tubular uppers with rod ends instead of bushings?
Mr.Reilly assured me they were plenty durable and beefy for extended street use.
(all the rest of my suspension is stock Mopar.
??????


I have the alterkation on my challengeronly about 3000 ish miles on the car but it has the same upper arms you have and no problems here

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: autoxcuda] #1228639
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Have been looking at the alterkation front end for some time for my cuda. Just don't have the $ now. This month's issue of mopar action made them seem like a piece of junk. How can this be if there has never been a failure that i have heard about and they are pounded at tracks all over week after week? U think this guy has it in for the manufacturer or knows about something the rest of us don't know? It just put some doubt in my pea brain.




Did the article specifically say they hated it? Those are pretty harsh words you are implying were said or meant by Mopar Action. What was really said? Sorry I haven't read the article.




No, he didn't say it was junk. What I got out of was, it was not intended to used on a a daily driver. If the car was driven strickly at the track and or a few miles to car shows or whatever, it was fine.

He was just pointing out the flaws in some of the parts, regardless if they were used on this system or anything else.

From my own view point, I would welcome his opinion on anything. But again, it is his opinion, but I thought he expalained his position very well.

If you think he is wrong, by all means buy it. You will have to admit, we all hear advice and ignore it if we think it is wrong.

As far as you hearing there was a failure, I doubt anybody that did has your number or email address.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Twostick] #1228640
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The comments were in a response in the advice section. Much of what was of concern was that it is a replacement of a system that already works just fine.
Many people, in the interest of owning the newest tech, will spring for stuff like this. Todays society has us thinking that the new stuff is better than the old stuff. Often times this is true. In THIS case, Rick sees it different. I am no engineer, but I see his point. This system moves weight forward and up. The steering has MORE bump steer than most stock T bars systems. Wheres the gain? Header clearance? Get a set of Doug's or TTT's. Another point Rick addresses is that these kits add additional load to the frame rails that were never designed for it. Our cars were made as light and as strong as the engineers and bean counters would allow. Now if a person were to add additional support to the frame rails by way of a strut running rearward to the roll bar, THAT may help, but then it seems like you are spending time to have your head shrunk to fit the smaller hat.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1228641
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I read Rick's response and thought it was a very well thought out opinion, not a "I hate it" piece. I wouldn't hesitate to put the alter-K in a street & strip car. But for something that needs to go long distance over less than ideal roads, especially daily driving I would stick with the stock stuff. Rick is also a proponent of modernizing the stock K set up with the new add-ons. (improved upper arms, bushings, one-piece tie rod adjusters, etc.) so he is not stock in the past.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: Charger727] #1228642
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"not STOCK in the past."
I very much like this double meaning.
I think you may have coined a new and usable phrase.

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: 540challenger] #1228643
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I saw a failure once, and I have never seen anything with an alter k road racing.


What failed on the alterkation?????




Ditto. What failed?

Re: ALTERKATION HATED BY MOPAR ACTION?? [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #1228644
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I saw a failure once, and I have never seen anything with an alter k road racing.


What failed on the alterkation?????




Ditto. What failed?





from what i remember pete saying in the past, it was one poor weld on that spacer thats welded to the spindle where the rod end bolts. nothing catastrophic. the big bolt holding things together did its job.

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