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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1226319
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It degreed within .5 of a degree.

If I remember correctly it was made by Modine, the core is roughly 3" wide, using a cast factory 6 blade water pump. The radiator only has 3400 miles on it and less than 1000 with the new stroker.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: feets] #1226320
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He verified that his radiator is doing it's job. There's no need to look at replacing it.
He needs to find the source of the heat.

A loose converter dumping trans heat into the radiator or blown head gasket would easily cause that problem.




I wasn’t suggesting he replace his radiator. I know he said he had good a temperature drop cross the radiator. I was just relating a similar experience with my car hoping it would help him out. I also had a 30 degree plus drop across the radiator but it still wouldn’t cool. When I installed the new radiator and electric fan I left everything else the same. I am convinced even though the three core radiators fin design was inferior installing the electric fan is what cured my cooling problem.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Dabee] #1226321
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did you paint the radiator?


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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: sickhemi] #1226322
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I didn't but it was painted by the radiator shop that cleaned it. Its not a thick layer that would block airflow.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Challenger 1] #1226323
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Can you turn the clutch fan by hand with the engine hot? There should be ALOT of resistance.




This is a very real possibilty, it happened to me. New fan clutch and it was back to normal.

Good luck with it.

I'm betting it a at least a couple factors, not just one.






I've seen a bad fan clutch cause overheating before too, so that's another possibility. A guy came into my Dad's gas station with a Chrysler that was overheating. The fan was barely turning while the engine was running.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Belvedere1] #1226324
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do you have headers on the car and are they uncoated. if the car is running lean at idle it the headers will get real hot


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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: sickhemi] #1226325
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The fan is spinning really well.

The headers are ceramic coated, its not running lean for sure. I would have to check my book but I beleive it has the largest jets and richest rods from the strip kit.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Belvedere1] #1226326
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The fan is spinning really well.




You can't tell with the engine running, you need to get the engine hot, shut it off, then spin the fan by hand. There should be alot of resistance.


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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1226327
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Update: Went for a ride last night and pulled in the driveway with the temp @ 220, shut the car off and spun the fan with absolutely no resistance at all. Looks like the new fan clutch is no good.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1226328
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A few years ago my neighbors ferd pickup had a heating problem, when I opened the hood I noticed that the fan was on wrong, it could not pull the air properly. Once the fan blades were on properly the heating problem disappeared.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Belvedere1] #1226329
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Update: Went for a ride last night and pulled in the driveway with the temp @ 220, shut the car off and spun the fan with absolutely no resistance at all. Looks like the new fan clutch is no good.




Looks like you found the problem. Let us know how it turned out after you get it replaced.


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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: 6PakBee] #1226330
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Hi, here is a write-up I did on my 383 cooling issues. You mentioned you are using the 6-vane pump, you might want to get the 8 vane version.

The 6-van is used with an A/C car with a smaller pully, which spins the pump harder. The 8-vane pump is used with a slightly larger pulley on a non-A/C car. Which pulleys are you running?

You problem to me sounds either coolant flow related or more likely airflow related (especially considering your clutch fan is not doing the job).

This thread is now "archive status", which means no pics, which sucks... if you want the pics of the pump I can dig them up.

http://www.bigblockdart.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-20229.html



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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1226331
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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Dabee] #1226332
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He verified that his radiator is doing it's job. There's no need to look at replacing it.
He needs to find the source of the heat.

A loose converter dumping trans heat into the radiator or blown head gasket would easily cause that problem.




I wasn’t suggesting he replace his radiator. I know he said he had good a temperature drop cross the radiator. I was just relating a similar experience with my car hoping it would help him out. I also had a 30 degree plus drop across the radiator but it still wouldn’t cool. When I installed the new radiator and electric fan I left everything else the same. I am convinced even though the three core radiators fin design was inferior installing the electric fan is what cured my cooling problem.




right. a radiator could be partially blocked, or restricted, you'll still have some flow, which means you'll still get a nice even temperature drop across the radiator and no sudden cool spots, but the overall GPM flow of the entire system won't be up where it should be.


regardless, it sounds like he found the problem when he discovered that his fan clutch has no resistant and free spins when the engine is hot.


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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Belvedere1] #1226333
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Update: Went for a ride last night and pulled in the driveway with the temp @ 220, shut the car off and spun the fan with absolutely no resistance at all. Looks like the new fan clutch is no good.



fan clutches are extremely reliable, and blamed for a lot of problems that are actually caused by other things. if your radiator is plugged in the center, the fan clutch won't get hot enough to engage. i have seen this MANY times over the years.


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Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: maximum entropy] #1226334
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Just how much resistance should I be getting when trying to spin the fan? I can spin it around several times with just a flip of my index finger.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Belvedere1] #1226335
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Ok I read all the posts here and no one has mentioned this, Check your grounds make sure they are clean and tight a bad ground can cause overheating, if ground is not good your electrical system will look for the next best source for ground which could be cooling system, I know because this happened to me.

Re: Running hot and running out of ideas 67 Belvedere [Re: Moparmick] #1226336
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I'll give it another look but last check they were all tight.

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Just how much resistance should I be getting when trying to spin the fan? I can spin it around several times with just a flip of my index finger.



THE BEST way to test a fan clutch is to listen for engagement. it should be obvious. if it's not getting hot enough at idle to engage the clutch, try putting a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator. the temperature the clutch engages at will vary depending on type/ brand/ application, but it should engage with authority. you should hear the unmistakeable roar of the fan, and feel the airflow increase dramatically. if you don't, it might be a plugged radiator as i mentioned earlier. i wish i had a penny for every time i heard a customer tell me, "i've replaced the fan clutch 4 times, and it still gets hot!"


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