Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: astjp2]
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04/21/12 12:01 PM
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With real quick ratio boxes you have to be very carefull when driving on the street and have an emergency manuvour. I have a 12 to one box and had a fool half way across the center line on a blind curve in the hills. If I hadn't been used to the box then I would have been into the bank nose first. It's great for the autocross, but probably way too quick for a real road course.
Tom
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: amxautox]
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04/21/12 01:16 PM
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With real quick ratio boxes you have to be very carefull when driving on the street and have an emergency manuvour. I have a 12 to one box and had a fool half way across the center line on a blind curve in the hills. If I hadn't been used to the box then I would have been into the bank nose first. It's great for the autocross, but probably way too quick for a real road course.
I nice development indeed!
amxautox has a good point. You would not want it to be too quick of a ratio.
These folks are offering a new Delphi box with a 14:1 ratio, which appears to be the same ratio as the WS6 TransAm box, from what I read.
WS6
What scares me more is the $750 pricetag!
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: DynoDave]
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04/21/12 05:01 PM
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3.5 lock to lock is the same, ergo ratio is the same.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
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04/24/12 03:06 AM
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I don't know what passes inspection in your districts, but a weld on any steering component here is an automatic "fail". Actually, it's serious enough that a welder can have all of their credentials taken away.
Before considering this item, check your local regulations first.
Mo' Farts
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: Jjs72D]
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04/24/12 04:22 AM
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Is this thing supposed to be a direct fit for Power OR manual steering columns? NOT that I am interested. They just failed to mention it in the ad. PLUS, $750...??? You can take a POS from the junkyard, spend $350 for a Firm Feel rebuild, add Fast Ratio idler and pitman arms for another $250, and have 12 to 1 ratio for $100 less. Jeff
For only $100 more, IMHO you are getting a brand new box and lighter weight. It's faster ratio than stock. And to some a better all around ratio. Seems like many sporty new cars have around 14:1 steering.
The long arm method doesn't work with certain headers in some cars. No A-body will work with long pitman and headers at all.
Also the Delphi box is lighter. And it's NEW. Not rebuilt.
I heard this was being worked on a 1 1/2 years ago from someone. Glad it came out. Sort of bummer on the price.
I specifically asked Borgeson at the SEMA show last November about adapting a Dephi box to a Mopar... They said they had no plans. But that was just one of the guys in the both. And probably can't show all thier cards.
I think the 3.5 turns lock to lock is mis-information.
Fact is the Dephi box is 14:1. The Mopar box it 16:1
Dephi also makes a 12:1 or around that box. IIRC, it's the same casting/body as the 14:1 box. So that could/should be in the future.
The welding doesn't concern me as much as the what looks to be lack of gussets and support between the plate and the output shaft tube. The regular Delphi boxes have a long output shaft tube.
It's nice that they designed it using the stock pitman (or any stock pitman). That lowers the cost when it wears out needing replacement.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: autoxcuda]
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04/24/12 10:09 PM
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They reported it as a remanufactured unit.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: Challenger_Nut]
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04/25/12 01:45 PM
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The price is RIDICULOUS!!!!
The fast ratio (12.7:1 vs 14:1) alternative is $100 less (~15%). Also the Delphi unit is much lighter and might give you better header clearance. Lets see one in a car; clearance might be worse. Also the fast ratio alternative will not fit a significant number of cars.
I'd like to see better support between the mounting plate and output housing.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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04/25/12 04:15 PM
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Delphi is good s##t! I agree, what are your other options? Im glad to see someone ATTEMPTING a better box that bolts in. I guess its better and more cost effective to convert the whole front end over to a rack setup to get power steering and Big Blocks as well as Gen III Hemi to work in A bodies......
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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04/25/12 04:28 PM
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Borgeson has been converting boxes for 55-57 Chevies for over twenty years, Mustang boxes for about seven years... Everyone I've known that has bought on has been very happy so I can assure you it's not a joke... I have one of their Mustang boxes in my Falcon, it's the best option available for that application IMO... Likely the Mopar box won't be well received because from what I've seen very few aftermarket upgrades are... If you have a better steering box option spend the money to bring it to market & we'll vote with our wallets...
How much did the Falcon box cost you?
What do they retail for?
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