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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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04/26/12 11:00 AM
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Are there any dimensional drawings available to compare your steeringbox to the stock powersteering box?
Reason for asking is that besides myseld, a number of folks are looking into installing a modernday Hemi into their Mopar A-body, while retaining powersteering.
Currently, at the driversside, the Hemi's exhaust will interfere heavily with a stock powersteering box.
It would be nice to see if your box provides more space so it won't be necessary to install a rack&pinion system for instance.
One of the problems with A-body Hemi conversions is the variation of motor placement. I was a close observer/hand lender in the development of the new TTI A-body Hemi headers that were prototyped from Troy Bray's Hemi Dart.
At the recent Spring Fling show the "off the shelf" A-body Hemi K-member Ed Debevic gave TTI did not put the motor in the correct placement for thier headers. TTI had to make adjustments to that display K-member they currently have with entire front end for mockup.
But I could get measurements from Troy's Dart and could go down to TTI and test fit this new Borgeson box in TTI's mock up/test front end. That would tell the story.
There are so many things going on in 3 dimensions a 3-view drawing I don't think will cover the uber tight fit situations.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: autoxcuda]
#1219692
04/26/12 11:07 AM
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Id be willing to test fit one with my Big Block Dart. Let me know Borgeson, I gots yous!
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: Borgeson]
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04/26/12 06:01 PM
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As others have said this might be an important product for those of us swapping a GEN III Hemi into an A-Body.
To have a good idea if this is going to allow power steering with a GEN III Hemi we need measured drawings of an OEM power box, and OEM manual box, and the Borgeson unit. By comparing all three will have about a 99% understanding of whether this will succeed.
Obviously, we won't know for sure if this is going to fit until we get a the Borgeson unit, a set of TTI headers, and see if we can cram it into an A-Body with a Hemi.
All that being said, based upon the one measurement provide by Borgeson, that the measurement from the center of the sector to the edge of the casting is the same on the Brogeson unit and on the Manual box is VERY encouraging.
I look forward to seeing more pics with dimensions.
Several people have commented on the price. It is a bit pricey, but when one considers the price of a new flaming rive manual box is $500.00, this box, IF if allows power steering with a GEN III Hemi, it will be an important addition to the Mopar aftermarket. Also for the Hemi swap crowd, the Power Steering delete pulley is between $156.00 and $300.00 depending upon the source. So if you had to buy a new box + the pulley your basically at the same price point.
Regards,
Joe Dokes
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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10/02/12 03:33 PM
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Yeah, you can't trust welds.....
That sub hit an undersea mountain. The welders who build ours subs are probably the best in the world.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: dart4forte]
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10/02/12 04:01 PM
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Joe Dokes
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As I recall, various pumps put out differing amounts of pressure. Most Mopar boxes put out between 900 PSI and 1300 PSI, the higher the PSI the less effort it will take to turn the wheel. Great at low speeds but at high speeds this leads to less "road feel." Big Block Dart has an article on the various pumps and pressures used by Mopar. You can read the article here: http://www.bigblockdart.com/techpages/pspumps.shtmlMost GM pumps put out between 800 PSI and 1000 PSI, thus if you have a mopar box with 900 PSI you're probably pretty close, though the steering might be a little lighter. If the steering is too light, or you wish to be able to adjust the level of effort in your steering, you can install an adjustable power steering valve from Heidts Hot Rods. You can find it here: http://www.heidts.com/steering_kits_components.htmlHope this helps, Regards, Joe Dokes
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: moparAL]
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10/02/12 07:33 PM
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Joe Dokes
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I called Heidts Hot Rods and they said the power steering valve was for a GM pump lowering pressure to a Ford rack in pinion rack. They didn't seem keen to use it on any other application.
I'd consider that a liability issue or a fitment issue more than anything else. All their device does is dump excess pressure back into the return line. On a Mopar where you are trying to reduce the pressure only slightly, you'd simply screw the adjustment almost all the way in. My guess is that since it might not be a simple bolt on, i.e. you might have to make your own lines with differing ends, they don't want to deal with the support issues.
Regards,
Joe Dokes
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out!
[Re: DARTH V8Я]
#1219708
12/17/12 01:38 AM
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The one thing I dont like seeing on anything that has to do with steering are welds. I'm sure you guys tested it, but I dunno.. it shouldn't be there. 
Speaking of welds in place where they shouldn't be on steering components...
Ok, now back to the box... 
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on my tti gen2 hemi headers to make it fit. 70 e body 528 hemi. Need a test fittment mule? 
