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Re: Well, going to try something different... [Re: gregsdart] #1208162
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Very nice fab/welding work! And kudos for thinking "outside the box".

Randy

Re: Well, going to try something different... [Re: Dartin] #1208163
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Polyspheric, I get where your coming from, and if they do come down on me saying its not stock suspension, I won't be bummed out too much.

The leaf spring is still my axle locator. I've just added a pivot point.

Your second point, a new part has assumed part of original function..... That is true. Like caltracs, or "anti-hop" mounts for a GM G-body, or slapper bars even.

The organizers of the few events that could have an issue with it, know what I am doing. Their usual response is "Oh, cool, it's like Caltracs, just not under the axle." I say, "Yeah, sure if you want to look at it like that."

What you are saying about someone more important than me is probably spot on though haha. It isn't an issue until it is an advantage.

Gregsdart, I'm not changing my leafs at all. I was going to try and find a way to do what your saying, but I came up with something else. Hard to explain in words, so when I move on to that part, I will be posting pictures up and it will make more sense.

Thanks Randy, hopefully the "outside the box" thinking works. If not I Am wasting my money!

-Kenny

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Gregsdart, I forgot to mention, I am not using the factory shackle, but rather an Afco slider. I put them in the car last year, and it seems to work well.

-Kenny

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Here are the rules we came up with years ago when I was still part of the car club. All of our heads up events around this area have adopted these rules for the most part.

http://www.streetwheelers.com/power-2-the-pavement/rules.html

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This isn't the most up to date picture, but here is a picture with the upper bar mount cross member tacked in place. The lugs are hanging upside down in the picture. Everything that is pictured here is welded up in place now...



-Kenny

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Alright, was able to make some head way tonight. All of the rear suspension is fabbed up. Only thing left is to thread my upper bars, and build my brake lines. I threw a coat of black paint on everything to protect it. It looks worse in the pictures. Lol.



We have added a lower bar above the leaf spring to let the leaf spring live.









-Kenny

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Kenny- really like your fab work, and the way you think!


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If it works as you expect a mono leaf spring would be my next change.


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I'll be intrested in the results, i like diffrent......Good luck.

Re: Well, going to try something different... [Re: gregsdart] #1208172
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Thanks guys, glad to hear other people like like what I'm doing I currently have my leaf spring sliders mounted flat against the frame of the car. I want to be able to run a lower hole in the bottom diff mount and right now it has to be in the highest hole. So I am going to space my leaf spring slider up to raise the car back up a bit.

As for the mono leaf, yeah it wouldnt hurt.

-Kenny

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Kenny I would suggest slotting the front mount on the bar above the spring to avoid a bind when the spring de-arches and thus changes it's effective length.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I will set it on the ground and see if it binds as is. I have a big mushy oval front bushing in my leafs, and they have a lot of give to them.

-Kenny

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Well, it's been hard findning time to work on the car, but we are getting closer and closer. Hoping to run the car June 8-9 at a local street car heads up, P2P, but my pass track record isn't that great I usually don't have my car together. The rear is pretty much done now though. I need to do brake lines and space my leaf spring sliders up off the frame.

Here are some progress pictures. The bars are threaded, and complete.







Probably the worlds shortest top link bar haha. Will it work? Who knows! But I plan to find out!

-Kenny

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Had almost that exact set-up with the bar above the leafs on my '70 Cuda from way back in the day with super stock springs that never sat level. Pretty cool. I switched it out for Caltracs and mono leafs... keep up the good work.





'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Thanks for sharing pictures! How long of a top bar were you able to sneak in there? I know mine are short, but looking at the fox body stuff, they don't seem so bad, and mine are straight in the car. The triangulation of the fox body stuff shortens the length of the bar parallel to the chassis. I'm not sure what the fox body upper bar length is yet, but if we assume they are 10" long, using good old trigonometry, that gives us an effective length of 8.66" parallel to the chassis.

-Kenny

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Quote:

Thanks for sharing pictures! How long of a top bar were you able to sneak in there? I know mine are short, but looking at the fox body stuff, they don't seem so bad, and mine are straight in the car. The triangulation of the fox body stuff shortens the length of the bar parallel to the chassis. I'm not sure what the fox body upper bar length is yet, but if we assume they are 10" long, using good old trigonometry, that gives us an effective length of 8.66" parallel to the chassis.

-Kenny




Sorry I would have to measure it when I get home, I cut a lot of that stuff out of the car when I redid the rear because of issues with the leafs, but there is probably enough left to measure it center to center....






'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Dragula, did your top bar mount to the car in the holes behind the front spring mount? If so, I can see why it may have not worked very well. That would bring the instant center even closer to the diff than a regular leaf spring suspension would. If this is the case, I would guess your top bar length is around the 16-18” mark looking at those pictures.

-Kenny

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Yes. For what it was originally for, I will bet it worked fine. For the Hp I was making, it could be a handfull.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Took the car out for the first test drive down the high way tonight! Everything suspension wise feels great. The way the bars are set right now, it squats nicely, and the front is rising up well. Unfortunelty, as I suspected, the tranny is in need of a rebuild though. I forgot to wire the kick down lever open last year, and high gear is in tough shape. Big mushy shift on the 2-3 shift. Hopefully I can get that sorted out next week. Here are some pictures of how it sits now. Should have track results in a week if all goes well.






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