Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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What is the difference between the 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms. I can see where the sway bar tabs are located in different places, but the ball what else is different?
There is No difference in A body LCA's from 1962-76. They are all the same. It's where the sway bar mount tabs are welded onto the arm, if it's equipped with a sway bar. 65-72 tabs are welded onto the arm, low, near the ball joint hole. 73-76 cars have the tab welded on in the middle of the arm. There is NO difference in the ball joint stud hole diameter, in any of the years.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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What is the difference between the 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms. I can see where the sway bar tabs are located in different places, but the ball what else is different?
There is No difference in A body LCA's from 1962-76.
There is NO difference in the ball joint stud hole diameter, in any of the years.
I'm almost sure the lower control arm are dfferent from 1973 to 1976 and the arlier ones, the hole for the lower ball joint stud is different. I found that out when swapping the front spindle and ball joints off of my 1971 Duster to the later 1973-76 spindle, upper and lower control arms and brakes I know many people think there the same but try fitting the 1973 and later ball joints, upper and lower, into the early arms You can ream the holes out to the larger size to make them work but they don't fit stock
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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I'm almost sure the lower control arm are dfferent from 1973 to 1976 and the arlier ones, the hole for the lower ball joint stud is different.
That is not true. You are misinformed about that, for some reason or another. Ball joint stud hole diameters are all the same throughout all the years. Nothing at all changed in the LCA's.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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, what is different is the knuckles on 73 up , they accept the larger B/E upper balljoint and the Upper control arm is different 73-76 A body .
That is if the car has disc brakes or 10" drums. There were a few cars built with 9" drums. Those still used the small upper ball joint.
I edited my post above because I neglected to include every possible brake option .
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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, what is different is the knuckles on 73 up , they accept the larger B/E upper balljoint and the Upper control arm is different 73-76 A body .
That is if the car has disc brakes or 10" drums. There were a few cars built with 9" drums. Those still used the small upper ball joint.
I doubt that. Try and find more than one A body UCA in any 73-up parts book.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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I doubt that. Try and find more than one A body UCA in any 73-up parts book.
This issue pops up often. I wonder how many naysayers have ever cared to look under a 73-76 A body. They are not the most desireable of the A body cars, so I doubt that many that doubt the existence of a post 73 9" drum brake has ever looked very close. Don't believe everything that you read in books. I have no financial interest in convincing anyone that they were built. I just know that in 18 years of junkyard doggin' I have seen several. I OWNED a 1976 Dart with so few options, you'd think that a person ordered it as a joke to see if Chrysler would build it. Slant six, 904, 9" drums at each corner, and an AM radio. I should have kept the fender tag because it was the simplest I'd ever seen. It's odd that so many agree that Chrysler built some wierd cars but will still insist that every A body after 1972 had front disc brakes. I've read that at some point in 1976, the feds required front discs on every vehicle. THAT I'd be willing to believe, since my '76 Dart had an October build date.
If you actually read what I said I made no mention of the 9" brakes. Nor did I insist on anything about disc brakes after 72. Your story of the 76 with "9" drums at all 4 corners" will not pass the sniff test. There were no 9" drums after 73. V8's after 73 were all disc brakes. By 1/1/1976 they were ALL large bolt pattern disc brake cars. Period.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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I guess i will get involved in this depate one more time about 9 inch brakes on the 73-76 A body line of cars. For 35 years, i would have told you the same thing that no such cars ever existed. 73-76 A body's with 9 inch, small bolt pattern, brakes on them. Within the past few months, i have come across two 74 Plymouth Valiants that had 9 inch brakes on them. In all rights, they should have been 10 inchers, but these cars appeared never to have been wrenched on in their lives. So until you actually see one, two, or more of them in person, it convinced me that Mopar did lots of stuff that was supposed to never be.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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Within the past few months, i have come across two 74 Plymouth Valiants that had 9 inch brakes on them. In all rights, they should have been 10 inchers, but these cars appeared never to have been wrenched on in their lives.
I could believe it if they were very early production 74's, but not on a 76.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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I appreciate the discussion....i looked real hard on both lca from the two spreads of years. both lca ball joint holes look the same and when i tried fitting a 73-76 ball joint stud, the ball joint fit down inside the hole on both the 68-72 and 73-76. From the array of control arms i tried, some were more worn than others and sat somewhat deeper on the tapered shaft than the others. But that appeared to be a wear issue on the lca and not the balljoint stud. Like some others, i assumed that the lca ball joint studs were larger on the 73-76 A bodies and from what i see from the parts i have, that is not the case.
The stud in the LCA is not a wear point once it is assembled , if it is worn then the LCA is damaged . It's a taper joint , once it is together and bolted tight there should be no movement between the 2 parts.
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Had a 75 Dart Sport /6 3-spd with 9" drums and SBC wheels. Had the small upper ball joints too. My 74 FPM shows for V/L cars UCA w/dics 3402702-3 UCA w/drums 3722460-1
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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Cool thread if nearly 'ten years old' lol... I'm a B-body kinda guy but want to invest in a 71 Duster. It was stripped out for a race car and the front suspension was 'sold off'. Then I find out about 'big and small' upper control arms and now the LCA debate as well... So what to run on a drag-car? Cheap as chips 'drums' with no sway bar etc? Or invest in some later 73-76 tubular UCA's with disc spindles and 'who know's what' LCA's...
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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My 75 Dart Sport /6 904 had 9 inch drums and small bolt pattern. It was a real PITA to stop. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif" alt="" /> Years back, I argued that these cars existed. Some forum "experts" countered that all '73 and later A body cars had front disc brakes since the parts books didn't list drum brake parts. I've bought numerous parts cars over the years and have seen several 9 and 10" front drum Darts, Valiants and Dusters from 73-76. Those jerkoffs don't post here anymore.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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Cool thread if nearly 'ten years old' lol... I'm a B-body kinda guy but want to invest in a 71 Duster. It was stripped out for a race car and the front suspension was 'sold off'. Then I find out about 'big and small' upper control arms and now the LCA debate as well... So what to run on a drag-car? Cheap as chips 'drums' with no sway bar etc? Or invest in some later 73-76 tubular UCA's with disc spindles and 'who know's what' LCA's... Do you want large bolt pattern (4.5” on 5) or small (4” on 5) ? Do you want disks or drums?
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Cool thread if nearly 'ten years old' lol... I'm a B-body kinda guy but want to invest in a 71 Duster. It was stripped out for a race car and the front suspension was 'sold off'. Then I find out about 'big and small' upper control arms and now the LCA debate as well... So what to run on a drag-car? Cheap as chips 'drums' with no sway bar etc? Or invest in some later 73-76 tubular UCA's with disc spindles and 'who know's what' LCA's... If it is a drag car then put struts on it and get rid of all the heavy stock stuff. You'll save a ton of weight and free up a bunch of room for the headers.
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Many thanx for the quick replies.
Well done you Guys with 25,000 posts and above!!!
I was an A-body guy back in the 80's and then again some twenty year later. Never liked the 4 inch pcd and all the probs of finding wheels, even now lol.
I assume the 73 up A-bods went to the 70-74 E-body disc spindles. Always use them for my B-bods, as the earlier 4 pot Kelseys hayes stuff, is a MARE!
Removal of the torsion bars is a bonus, so a strut system would be a BIG advantage indeed!
It reminds me of my English Fords and American Fords too. I remember watching 'U-tube-Tony' in a Junkyard with some early Thunderbirds and saying ''Dumbass strut system'...
I think I saw your Cuda 'autoX' once at the Spring Fling' (many moons ago) on one of my many trips to LA to meet Peter Jenslund and Julius.
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Many thanx for the quick replies.
Well done you Guys with 25,000 posts and above!!!
I was an A-body guy back in the 80's and then again some twenty year later. Never liked the 4 inch pcd and all the probs of finding wheels, even now lol.
I assume the 73 up A-bods went to the 70-74 E-body disc spindles. Always use them for my B-bods, as the earlier 4 pot Kelseys hayes stuff, is a MARE!
Removal of the torsion bars is a bonus, so a strut system would be a BIG advantage indeed!
It reminds me of my English Fords and American Fords too. I remember watching 'U-tube-Tony' in a Junkyard with some early Thunderbirds and saying ''Dumbass strut system'...
I think I saw your Cuda 'autoX' once at the Spring Fling' (many moons ago) on one of my many trips to LA to meet Peter Jenslund and Julius. Always hanging out at Julius’s old shop. Saw Peter last month at a Mopar show. My cuda still looks the same.
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Re: Difference between 68-72 and 73-76 lower control arms
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Cool thread if nearly 'ten years old' lol... I'm a B-body kinda guy but want to invest in a 71 Duster. It was stripped out for a race car and the front suspension was 'sold off'. Then I find out about 'big and small' upper control arms and now the LCA debate as well... So what to run on a drag-car? Cheap as chips 'drums' with no sway bar etc? Or invest in some later 73-76 tubular UCA's with disc spindles and 'who know's what' LCA's... How quick do you want the car to go and how much money you got. Fun bracket car stock will work fine 7 second car will need cage and GOOD suspension, of course low 8 second 68 Hemi Cudas are on stock front end also. So many ways.
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Was running mid tens in a street legal Dart with a 440, so want to go 'one step further' possibly?
(ps don't have any money, just a garage full of Moparts lol)
Can't see the front suspenders on the 'S and M' Duster, but assume its stockish?
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I'm almost sure the lower control arm are dfferent from 1973 to 1976 and the arlier ones, the hole for the lower ball joint stud is different. [/quote] That is not true. You are misinformed about that, for some reason or another. Ball joint stud hole diameters are all the same throughout all the years. Nothing at all changed in the LCA's. [/quote] I agree as I pulled a good bit of uppers to get older disk brakes a a ton of 1973 up. It is the uppers that are diff.
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