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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: W9 Dart] #1198955
03/18/12 11:35 PM
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This is the second one I've used in a street and strip car, I like it better than any other brand or type I've used That is why I bought the third one, it will go in a tube chassis car, If I get better hope and change in the near future The shifter and Morse cable(1/4 inch I think) where originally designed to be used in heavy comercial trucks like cab over garbage trucks that would be used hundreds oftimes a day, day in and day out The T/A are the same shifter that they changed to be front exit and conventional cable to the trans, not rear exit with the sidewinder shifter like the Fairbanks and Winters are I think Winters made the shifters for Fairbanks originally and then started selling them direct later, not real sure on that though Winters still makes the quick change rear ends for a lot of the dirt roundy rounder racers use

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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Cab_Burge] #1198956
03/19/12 12:05 AM
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Would the rear exit be better than the front exit on a mrvb 727?

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: W9 Dart] #1198957
03/19/12 12:13 AM
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Would the rear exit be better than the front exit on a mrvb 727?


I like the rear exit for the header clearances


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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Cab_Burge] #1198958
03/19/12 12:34 AM
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Well I'm pretty sold on this unit... It looks very similar to the cheetah and everyone raves about it. If this winters is infact made by the same company then it's a win win.. I get the looks of the winters but the proven performance of the cheetah.

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: W9 Dart] #1198959
03/19/12 09:18 AM
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Another vote for the PPP shifter, I had a Fairbanks/Winters shifter in my car for almost 20 years and loved it until I got the PPP (I also loved my mechanical tach). PPP is in a different league and decade.

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After, I got rid of the mechanical tach, the old fairbanks shifter and rewired the car.


Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Cudafied] #1198960
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Why do u like it better? Also the pop looks more of a pure race application shifter? Doesn't look as clean as the winters bc of all the cables showing.

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1198961
03/19/12 11:20 AM
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I've been very happy with the B&M Pro-Ratchet
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BMM-80842/




Same here. I have an air shifter hooked up to it, no problems.


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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Cudafied] #1198962
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I heard those PPP shifter are $600? I saw there web site and it looked like they were $415 to me? Is that without the cable, tranny linkage, etc? What did you guys pay for yours?

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: W9 Dart] #1198963
03/19/12 03:30 PM
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I heard those PPP shifter are $600? I saw there web site and it looked like they were $415 to me? Is that without the cable, tranny linkage, etc? What did you guys pay for yours?




That's in the ballpark for the one I bought (600.00). Mine is a spring assist electric shifter. I also had an air activated shifter that my son put in his car. They are crazy fast. The spring on my shifter is self cocking when you put it in low and helps out by taking the load off the electric solenoid. The 415 dollar one is probably the price on the manual shift model.


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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: pittsburghracer] #1198964
03/19/12 04:11 PM
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I had a ppp in my dart. I ran the neutral safety/line lock wires under the shifter so they were hidden. and the cable was a rear exit and it went right through the tunnel. Nice thing about these shifters is you can get them anyway you want. reverse pattern with forward or rear exit and foward with either way!

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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: ChrisJohnston669] #1198965
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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: jim sciortino] #1198966
03/19/12 04:37 PM
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I just recently bought a PPP the lower line, manual shift, no buttons etc with cable, all brackets etc was a little over 300$. I got it from Holt race cars on here, great to deal with.


One day I will have something cool here.
Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: sdaurity] #1198967
03/19/12 06:22 PM
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Glad you like it, Steve! Thanks for the business!

I can get you as good a deal as anyone out there, so if anyone is in the market for a PPP package, please feel free to let me know!

Thanks!

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Ben Holt] #1198968
06/11/12 01:12 PM
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Does anyone know of a reverse manual valve body shifter w/reverse lock-out that can be shifted from high gear into neutral?

I've been doing it with a Hurst 1/4 stick, but it's about time I change to something better. I just like to go into neutral past the finish line.

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Locomotion] #1198969
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Just put a reverse pattern Cheetah SCS in my car. Much better than my old B&M. All of those look like good choices though.

-Kenny

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: StrokerAspen] #1198970
06/11/12 04:24 PM
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PPP all the way great looking piece, you can have air shift, plus trans brake installed, the only thing is you must get all linkage/cables on perfect or you will have shift problems if your using a air shift.

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: Locomotion] #1198971
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Quote:

Does anyone know of a reverse manual valve body shifter w/reverse lock-out that can be shifted from high gear into neutral?

I've been doing it with a Hurst 1/4 stick, but it's about time I change to something better. I just like to go into neutral past the finish line.




maybe i'm lost here but how can you do that without going down through 2nd and 1st? i think i've seen VBs that have a neutral after 3rd and would guess in this case a 4 speed shifter would work. you could pull it from 3rd into neutral

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: mokid] #1198972
06/11/12 05:14 PM
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I guess I am one of the few that prefers ratchet shifters!


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Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: HOTMOPR] #1198973
06/11/12 05:48 PM
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I guess I am one of the few that prefers ratchet shifters!




Same here

Re: Help me pick out a shifter! [Re: jamesc] #1198974
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Quote:

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Does anyone know of a reverse manual valve body shifter w/reverse lock-out that can be shifted from high gear into neutral?

I've been doing it with a Hurst 1/4 stick, but it's about time I change to something better. I just like to go into neutral past the finish line.




maybe i'm lost here but how can you do that without going down through 2nd and 1st? i think i've seen VBs that have a neutral after 3rd and would guess in this case a 4 speed shifter would work. you could pull it from 3rd into neutral




After 30+ years, I got my fingers coordinated so I can manipulate the lever fast enough to go from 3rd to neutral. But about once a year, I hang it momentarily in 2nd. But between that and going from 1-3 (twice this past weekend), Old habits die hard, but I figure it's about time I get something else that's completely idiot-proof...... plus I'm getting older! It cost me an important race this past weekend.

I'll probably end up with a ratchet shifter and just slow down in=gear. I don't want to go through the trouble of a different valve body.

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