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4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack #1182219 02/19/12 06:04 PM 02/19/12 06:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	What do you guys prefer? Engine is out of the car so I am going to do a mock-up, but when you are under the car, what do you prefer? Thanks. 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182220 02/19/12 06:07 PM 02/19/12 06:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	I've done auto trans on my back way back.. muuuuuchhhh easier w/ a jack. I'd use a jack. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1182221 02/19/12 06:18 PM 02/19/12 06:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	... and in my case safer. I'm not that big of a guy. This is a cast iron 4-speed. I was looking at the jack adapters that you remove the pad off a standard jack and replace with a transmission adapter. There is one that seems adjustable which might work. Need to look around some more. 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1182222 02/19/12 06:20 PM 02/19/12 06:20 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,496 Sask, Can. 7 72demon416 pro stock
72demon416 pro stock 7 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,496 Sask, Can.	Quote: I've done auto trans on my back way back.. muuuuuchhhh easier w/ a jack. I'd use a jack. Definitely use a jack. For the life of me though- why couldn't the trans manufacturers cast the case with a flat pad on the bottom that would sit on a trans or floor jack without tipping over or wanting to fall off all the time

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182223 02/19/12 07:30 PM 02/19/12 07:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Quote: ... and in my case safer. I'm not that big of a guy. This is a cast iron 4-speed. I was looking at the jack adapters that you remove the pad off a standard jack and replace with a transmission adapter. There is one that seems adjustable which might work. Need to look around some more. I have a custom adapter just for 833 trannys that fits most large floor jacks that I made years ago so just let me know where you want to meet me to get it. Gus 7080075-savoyburnout.jpg (86 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182224 02/19/12 09:00 PM 02/19/12 09:00 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,123 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,123 Bend,OR USA	I know a former racer that lost one eye putiing a trans in on his back , One slip was all it took Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Cab_Burge] #1182225 02/19/12 09:18 PM 02/19/12 09:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC TooMany62s top fuel
TooMany62s top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC	I bought one of these cheapies from Harbor Freight. I've used it for 833's five or six times. Much easier than muscle especially if your old, like me. 7080247-image_11238.jpg (162 downloads)

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: TooMany62s] #1182226 02/19/12 09:44 PM 02/19/12 09:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours Supercuda About to go away
Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	I've always rassled them in and out by hand, but I sure would like one of them jacks. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Supercuda] #1182227 02/19/12 09:55 PM 02/19/12 09:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY 85_Ram_4speed master
85_Ram_4speed master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,325 Truckville, the capital of NY	A jack for sure. I have never muscled one in on back, and never will. I have a old floor trans jack that has a large flat pad, but as stated, the way the case is, it just wants to flop around. I would build a simple adapter just for the 833'2 because of this. I have done them on a regular floor jack too, but its a little unnerving when it get some height and I have had them fall off before---thus me reasoning for building a simple and specific adapter. I bet it would cost less than $20 in materials to make. Outcast Dodge guy.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1182228 02/19/12 10:18 PM 02/19/12 10:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	Gus, you've always got my back, I appreciate it. I'll let you know. I was going to go over to HF and see what they have. I hate supporting that place... but all this stuff is imported, so I guess I'll avoid the mark-up. For, you guys that made the custom adapters? I was thinking about fabbing a small cradle of some sort that followed the contours of the case. Is this how you did yours, or you have brackets, etc. that use some existing holes in the case? Thanks! 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182229 02/20/12 03:01 AM 02/20/12 03:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,431 USA S SSAAHemiFan top fuel
SSAAHemiFan top fuel S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,431 USA	I've used the Harbor Freight one posted above for years - I also have used it to lift heavier things than a trans - no issue's.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: SSAAHemiFan] #1182230 02/20/12 03:10 AM 02/20/12 03:10 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I'll take any excuse to pull the welder out! I made a jig for the 833 trans, one each for a 727 and 904, another for the 8 3/4 chunk..... The A/T jigs have a flat plate with 4 steel tubes. I put long bolts through the tubes into the trans case so the jack clears ANY trans pan. I also made a jig for the transfer case in my Trail Duster. Finally, I made one countoured to the A body k member since I was concerned that the puny original jack pad often seems close to slipping off.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: TooMany62s] #1182231 02/20/12 11:33 AM 02/20/12 11:33 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee P pushbutton pro stock
pushbutton pro stock P Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee	Quote: I bought one of these cheapies from Harbor Freight. I've used it for 833's five or six times. Much easier than muscle especially if your old, like me. I have one of those too. Know what you mean about the old part also.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: pushbutton] #1182232 02/20/12 11:46 AM 02/20/12 11:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 master
LAR_414 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	Made a "holder" out of wood. Pretty easy to do. Once it's made and holds the trans well enough. I put it all together and balance the trans on the jack. Draw a circle around the pad area, take it off and create a low spot in the wood platform that keeps the thing from sliding off the jack. Couple of straps if you desire and your done.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182233 02/20/12 12:30 PM 02/20/12 12:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,715 closer to Canadian beer! torkrules I'm neurotic
torkrules I'm neurotic Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,715 closer to Canadian beer!	Quote: What do you guys prefer? Engine is out of the car so I am going to do a mock-up, but when you are under the car, what do you prefer? Thanks. when I was a younger man, I used to bench press them in. It only took a few seconds. Then one day, few years ago, I tried the same tactic. I almost had it and then I couldn't hold it and it landed on my chest. I couldn't get it off. My wife had to rescue me. So now its a jack and 3 assistants. Takes longer but it sure is safer.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: torkrules] #1182234 02/20/12 01:09 PM 02/20/12 01:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	While doing a clutch job on my former 70 Challenger R/T,I had an 833 fall off the floor jack and crush my right arm. I got so damn mad,I picked up the tranny and threw it in! 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: chargervert] #1182235 02/20/12 01:19 PM 02/20/12 01:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	When I was younger I used to always use my muscles, then after having one of those heavy bastards fall and bend an input shaft, I started using a jack, I also made a fixture to cradle the 833. works very well. Kasey

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Moparnut426] #1182236 02/20/12 01:28 PM 02/20/12 01:28 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	833, I've never worked with, but hear they are heavy!! I'd use a jack. 727, I used a jack. T-56, I slid under the truck, tipped the gearbox up and slid myself under it, then pulled it up onto my chest, then I benchpressed the gearbox up into the bell housing and into position. it was very easy, but that gearbox even though it's big, only weighs about 70-75 lbs. I probably push more weight than that when I'm doing a pushup, and for my annual fitness test I have to knock out about 60 in a minute I did my NV3500 the same way, it's about the same as the T-56 as far as weight, but has that big ole bell housing cast into the case...actually made it easier. gave a nice solid "handle" to grab it and secure the trans with a good grip to angle and wiggle it into position through the clutch. never thought about losing an eye doing it, but ouch, and yea, I could see that happening. I never pushed up though, unless I had a very firm grip on the gearbox first, and felt like I could maneuver it around as needed. as I get older though, and not as strong...I may find myself suing hydraulics more and more Photobucket sucks

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: 70Cuda383] #1182237 02/20/12 06:58 PM 02/20/12 06:58 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,682 Philadelphia R radar top fuel
radar top fuel R Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,682 Philadelphia	It's not lifting it that's hard, it's lining it all up and sliding it home. I always use the plastic alignment tool but it isn't always so easy to get the box to slide home. Sometimes an assistant spinning a driveshaft in there seems to help the splines mesh. The last time I did one was in my /6 '87 D150. I ended up using allthread dowels in the top two holes of the bell, got it started and put nuts on so it couldnt fall, then carefully slid it into place. I had planned to replace them with bolts after it went in, but the allthread is still in there with nuts on it. Should hold up to the massive torque and horsepower of my 1987 225cid! I did use the right bolts for the bottom two bolts.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: radar] #1182238 02/20/12 07:19 PM 02/20/12 07:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I put threaded studs in the bellhousing studs to mount the transmission in all cars I work on. Its not for the increased clamping force, but instead for the ability to line up the trans to slide into place. It really helps!

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: radar] #1182239 02/20/12 07:24 PM 02/20/12 07:24 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	I am going to run over to HF tonight and see what they have. I think a second tool for this would be nice leaving the jack handy if needed during the process. It is the alignment while it mid-air that is the problem, I agree. The longer stud idea is a good one, not sure what kind of space I am going to have with an A-body tunnel. When I mocked in the car I installed the tranny/bell/block as one. Not sure I am going to do that this time with a fresh paint job in the engine compartment. 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182240 02/20/12 07:44 PM 02/20/12 07:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC TooMany62s top fuel
TooMany62s top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC	My '62 sedan also has very limited tunnel clearance. It helps to let the rear of the motor tilt downward as far as possible. I also use some threaded rod to get it lined up as close as possible.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: TooMany62s] #1182241 02/20/12 08:38 PM 02/20/12 08:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Without a doubt, the challenge is getting the splines to line up and mesh home just right so you can stab the gearbox all the way in. I've found that rotating it back and forth and rocking the back of the gearbox in a circular motion makes it the easiest to line it up and slide it home, however, I think the long threaded rod is a great idea! get the weight of the gearbox off your hands/jack, and give you the freedom to wiggle it around while getting the splines to line up Photobucket sucks

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: 70Cuda383] #1182242 02/20/12 08:54 PM 02/20/12 08:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I use a jack for all the reasons posted. Bottom line its safer and easier to get lined up without hurting anything. My JC Whitney transmission jack has worked fine. I just used alignment studs for a heavy iron transmission on a '47 Power Wagon per factory service manual guidelines. They really helped. Next time I do any transmission I'll use the studs. I made them from bolts... starting with the longest bolt that would leave clearance I cut the head off, tapered the end and ground small flats to fit a box wrench in case it was needed for removal.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: ahy] #1182243 02/20/12 10:49 PM 02/20/12 10:49 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	I picked up the HF jack. Looks like it will work great. I'm going to make some studs too. 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182244 02/20/12 11:03 PM 02/20/12 11:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 959 Cincinnati,Ohio J jcastle1 super stock
jcastle1 super stock J Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 959 Cincinnati,Ohio	I strap the 4-speed tranny onto the jack pad and wench it down with a small tie down strap. It makes it easy to manuever,and never fall off the jack pad. Best trick I've learned on mine anyway.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182245 02/20/12 11:11 PM 02/20/12 11:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Seems every time I use a transmission jack, it's just a cumbersome affair, 727 or 883 I usually end up just muscling them in, whether the car is on ramps or a lift,....I'd much rather lift TKO 5spds though, they're only 115 lbs....never did weigh a 727 or 883 For the OP, if you don't muscle "heavy equipment" on a daily basis, you might be better off with a jack, just to be safe.....

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182246 02/20/12 11:34 PM 02/20/12 11:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 168 North Texas TheTieWrapKid member
TheTieWrapKid member Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 168 North Texas	I'd like to put a vote in for using the cheapo transmission jack like the Harbor Freight one shown. I think mine is a JC Whitney about 70 bucks a few years back. It uses a 1/2 inch drive and has an adjustable tray with wing nuts I think. I tie it down with the provided strap and add an additional rope to hold it down good. It beats the heck out of wrestling a four speed to your chest and then up and in. And I've never tried to muscle an automatic by myself - just too bulky. Sometimes the things don't go in that easy. If you have your cheapo tranny jack, you can back off at any time and have a beer while evaluating any necessary adjustments !!

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: TooMany62s] #1182247 02/21/12 08:57 AM 02/21/12 08:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Quote: I bought one of these cheapies from Harbor Freight. I've used it for 833's five or six times. Much easier than muscle especially if your old, like me. That is what I have, work smarter..not harder! 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182248 02/21/12 12:34 PM 02/21/12 12:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee P pushbutton pro stock
pushbutton pro stock P Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee	Quote: I picked up the HF jack. Looks like it will work great. I'm going to make some studs too. Cut a slot in the end of the studs for a screw driver in addition to the flats,it's pretty close up top.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182249 02/21/12 01:09 PM 02/21/12 01:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,137 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY RoadRunner master
RoadRunner master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,137 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY	Use a couple of helpers or a transmission jack. I cut the end of my finger practically clean off. I got the trans down out of the car no problem (back when I is in much better shape). But then I had to set it down. It slipped and landed on the end of my finger. A bunch of gauze and a tube of neosporen, and it healed. But did it hurt for a while. 68 Road Runner (383/4speed, post car w/decor pkg) - Major Project 69 Road Runner w/472 Hemi & 4 speed. 70 Challenger R/T SE EF8 w/ V9J, U - A32 - Major Project 2023 Ford Mach 1

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: RoadRunner] #1182250 02/21/12 05:31 PM 02/21/12 05:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California mickm master
mickm master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	i have a set of studs, and also just bought the HF jack. it will be here in 3 days! and yes, i do need to drop the trans. i'm in good shape, and reasonably strong, but there is no way i can muscle one of those all the way in and out myself.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Kern Dog] #1182251 02/21/12 06:52 PM 02/21/12 06:52 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	Quote: I put threaded studs in the bellhousing studs to mount the transmission in all cars I work on. Its not for the increased clamping force, but instead for the ability to line up the trans to slide into place. It really helps! Bingo! Long screws with the heads cut off and ground to a bull-nose (2 diagonally opposite) make a MT install child's play! Rick

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182252 02/22/12 09:37 PM 02/22/12 09:37 PM
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B7Satellite member Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 16 On your six o'clock	Long screws with the heads cut off like Rick Ehrenberg said and a $50 floor jack transmission adapter from ebay. 7085533-Untitled-1.jpg (168 downloads)

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: B7Satellite] #1182253 02/22/12 11:44 PM 02/22/12 11:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	Thanks for the tips guys. I didn't expect this thread to hang around this long... I think this will work out great. Already nice to just move it around the garage. 7085717-IMG_20120222_213029.jpg (114 downloads) 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182254 02/23/12 08:56 AM 02/23/12 08:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,065 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,065 Niles , Ohio	I also used to just lift them in.Now Im too old for that.Last time I did the 0ne in my 65 I had my 3 sons help.Sure is nice to have 3 grown sons.Especially when they can do mechanical work.I knew I raised them for a reason.LOL. I also made some long studs to help guide the tranny in.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182255 02/23/12 09:16 AM 02/23/12 09:16 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd
GoodysGotaCuda 5.7L Hemi, 6spd Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 25,050 Texas	Quote: Thanks for the tips guys. I didn't expect this thread to hang around this long... I think this will work out great. Already nice to just move it around the garage. Sure is, I have a 100# Jeep bumper strapped to mine so I can roll it around. 1972 Barracuda - 5.7L Hemi, T56 Magnum 6spd - https://www.facebook.com/GoodysGotaHemi 2020 RAM 1500 [img]https://i.imgur.com/v9yezP9.jpg[/img]

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182256 02/23/12 10:51 AM 02/23/12 10:51 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee P pushbutton pro stock
pushbutton pro stock P Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,565 tennessee	If they would just use a smaller rachet handle.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182257 02/23/12 05:43 PM 02/23/12 05:43 PM
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MoparKansas super stock M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 828 KS	And after you get the jack from Harbor freight you can get one of their $9.99 furniture dollies, add a a 2 x 4 and a 4 x 4 and use it to install the k-frame, engine and trans from the bottom. I have done my challenger and my brother's 67 dart this way and it worked really slick... 7086831-EngineInstall.jpg (109 downloads) Last edited by MoparKansas; 02/23/12 07:31 PM.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: MoparKansas] #1182258 02/23/12 08:45 PM 02/23/12 08:45 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio Crazy68Dart OP pro stock
Crazy68Dart OP pro stock Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,212 Canton, Ohio	Quote: And after you get the jack from Harbor freight you can get one of their $9.99 furniture dollies, add a a 2 x 4 and a 4 x 4 and use it to install the k-frame, engine and trans from the bottom. I have done my challenger and my brother's 67 dart this way and it worked really slick... The way the factory intended. I have thought about doing it this way, what is your process? You have most of the suspension removed? I thought I would have issues getting the body back down at the correct height to get the K frame bolts started. What did you use as a lift point on the body? 383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182259 02/23/12 09:14 PM 02/23/12 09:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC TooMany62s top fuel
TooMany62s top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,788 Greer, SC	Quote: Quote: And after you get the jack from Harbor freight you can get one of their $9.99 furniture dollies, add a a 2 x 4 and a 4 x 4 and use it to install the k-frame, engine and trans from the bottom. I have done my challenger and my brother's 67 dart this way and it worked really slick... The way the factory intended. I have thought about doing it this way, what is your process? You have most of the suspension removed? I thought I would have issues getting the body back down at the correct height to get the K frame bolts started. What did you use as a lift point on the body? The way the factory intended? Why doesn't the factory shop manual say to pull it out the bottom?

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182260 02/24/12 01:11 PM 02/24/12 01:11 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 828 KS M MoparKansas super stock
MoparKansas super stock M Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 828 KS	The 4 x 4 and the 2 x 4 got the K frame and engine to nearly the exact proper height. I also wanted an edge to jack on with the 2 x 4 in case I needed adjustment (dolly is too low to get a jack under, but neither car I did needed it. Of course the trans jack makes it easy to adjust height in the back. On my challenger I ran a 3 x 3 wood piece under the frame rails and hooked a tow strap to it and in my brothers dart there were holes in the frame rail that we put the straps hooks to. I didnt get a good pic down low on that shot, but it has all of the suspension on with the exception of torsion bars which are sitting in the car. I did my challenger all by myself just starting the engine hoist down very very slowly and moving things as needed. Main thing to watch was upper a-arms, steering box on drivers side and valve cover clearance on the blower motor on passengers side of the dart. Also if you run some type of bar across the engine bay under the frame rails to hook the hoist to make sure the k frame will clear it in the front. I had no room on my Challenger, but on the dart with the holes in the rails it was a piece of cake. 71 T/A had some brackets made to bolt into the bumper bracket holes that he used when he did his car if I remember right. My bother had some larger sheet metal valve covers on the dart which made that pretty tight putting the 383 in. When dropping from the top it is pretty easy to get the motor swinging and dinging something, and it seemed much less likely with the hoist letting the body down slowly. I don't have the dolly at my house right now or I'd take a pic. I actually welded up a big t thing like others have shown, but it was too big to store and I gave it away when I moved and lost my 40 x 84 shop. It will work with either manual (Challenger) or auto (Dart) and the added benefit is that you don't try and line up the trans input shaft or tighten torque converter bolts or trans to engine bolts under the car asthe trans and engine are already bolted together. The combo of the trans jack and the furniture dolly made it easier to split and store (also lighter) and I can use the furniture dolly for other stuff if I want to. Sorry for so few pics, but I get to working and forget to take them. It was really easy by myself, but I would suggest a helper if you have one. Last edited by MoparKansas; 02/28/12 01:45 PM.

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182261 02/25/12 05:32 PM 02/25/12 05:32 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	Quote: Quote: And after you get the jack from Harbor freight you can get one of their $9.99 furniture dollies, add a a 2 x 4 and a 4 x 4 and use it to install the k-frame, engine and trans from the bottom. I have done my challenger and my brother's 67 dart this way and it worked really slick... The way the factory intended. I have thought about doing it this way, what is your process? You have most of the suspension removed? I thought I would have issues getting the body back down at the correct height to get the K frame bolts started. What did you use as a lift point on the body? Last few times I was lucky enough to have a lift. But in the past, I have done it many times with an engine crane and chain to the 2 center bumper bolts! Check the video - no scratches, no cursing, no hassles. Pie! (2 long studs, ground to a bull nose, in 2 diag.-opp K-member bolt holes in rails). Body Drop Steering, headers, tranny, engine harness, etc. all preassembled. I'll never drop an engine in from the top again. Never. Later projects, I had all the suspension on, too - UCA's dangling, as at the ass'y plant. Rick

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Crazy68Dart] #1182262 02/25/12 11:44 PM 02/25/12 11:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Here is a pic from Gorski's thread about installing a four speed in a weekend. I was guiding the input through the T.O. bearing while a few other members provided the muscle Gus 7090394-aligningthetrannyshaft.jpg (133 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: 4-Speed Install, Muscle or Jack [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1182263 02/25/12 11:54 PM 02/25/12 11:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Quote: Check the video - no scratches, no cursing, no hassles. Pie! (2 long studs, ground to a bull nose, in 2 diag.-opp K-member bolt holes in rails). Body Drop Rick I've read this guys articles for years, but this is the first time that I have heard him SPEAK! He sounds different than I thought he would. I forgot that he is from New York!

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