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Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: MidPenMopar] #1159713
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The 10.7" econo kit has bolt-together steel caliper brackets. The premium kit is the same, with the exception of 1 piece, billet aluminum caliper brackets.

Both kits include DOT stainless flex hoses.

Semi pre-bent hard lines are optional on the premium kit.

Drilled/slotted/plated rotors are optional on both versions.

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: Todd] #1159714
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Thanks for all the help and advice! I ordered the SSBC kit today only as i got the free powdercoating otherwise i would have gone with Dr. Diffs set up.



Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: MidPenMopar] #1159715
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Great choice Stu...No offense Dr Diff...Your stuff is excellent as well. Let me know if you need a hand as this retirement thing is starting to get old real fast. This type of brake conversion I have done....cr8crsh/Bill

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: CR8CRSHR] #1159716
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My experience with the rear SSBC stuff is that it was a pile o' crap. Garbage. The stock parking brake cables ended up being 2" too short, despite SSBC's claims that they would work. Had to order custom cables. Didn't have the greatest of luck with the front kit, either. I won't use their products again. That's just me, though.
I swapped out everything for a 4-wheel Wilwood setup, & couldn't be happier with the braking performance. The rears were a little tricky to dial in the parking brake, but once set up it works great.

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: bill440rt] #1159717
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My experience with the rear SSBC stuff is that it was a pile o' crap.




Oh great................well so far the front kit has worked our very well. So i will keep my on the rear kit.

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1159718
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I have often wondered why most rear disc kits specify Green bearings, the front Timken bearings can be adjusted to zero end play why not the rears?


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Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: John_Kunkel] #1159719
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I might be way off base here, but from what I remember reading it has something to do with centering the caliper correctly??

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: WO23Coronet] #1159720
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So what takes the side loading when you go around a corner with a GREEN bearing installed in a 8 3/4 diff? Isn't that what the tapered bearings are for? I know on a GREEN bearing type diff that was designed for it (ie 8 1/4 and 9 1/4) it's taken up by the snap rings and transfered to the carrier bearings, at least thats the way I understand it.




8-1/4 and 9-1/4" axles did not have Green (or any other brand) ball bearings. They had straight rollers which rode directly upon the axle shaft. Cornering thrust was taken by the axle inner "tips", which transferred the load to the differential bearings (Timkens) via the diff pinion pin.

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Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: John_Kunkel] #1159721
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Many rear disc brake kits require Green bearings because the caliper bracket doubles as a wheel bearing retainer.

BTW, any kit (like Wilwood, Aerospace etc...) that places the wheel bearing snap-ring against the housing end will ruin the Green bearings due to preloading unless you shorten the axles, remove the differential thrust block, or add an 1/8" shim against the housing end.

In spite of multiple complaints by me as well as Strange Engineering and Dutchman Motorsports, Wilwood won't fix or even acknowledge the problem with their poorly designed Mopar rear disc brake kits.

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: DoctorDiff] #1159722
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In my case my rear was already rebuilt with the thrust block removed, & I had ordered new axles from Moser.

Wasn't a dig at you at all Dr Diff or your kits, I've heard fantastic things about them.

I just had crap luck with all out product failure and extremely poor customer service practices with SSBC.

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: bill440rt] #1159723
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A friend did a SSBC 4 wheel disc swap on his C body and it does not work very good, the shop that installed it spent a lot of time on the phone with their tech department and they never did get it to work.


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Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: 67autocross] #1159724
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A friend did a SSBC 4 wheel disc swap on his C body and it does not work very good, the shop that installed it spent a lot of time on the phone with their tech department and they never did get it to work.




So last night at our car club annual dinner i asked around if anyone had used the SSBC rear disc kit and quite a few have. Everyone of them said the kit was terrible and they all sent them back or just gave up and bought another brand.

Although none of them had used it on a 8 3/4 mopar only fords and chevies.....hummnnn??

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: MidPenMopar] #1159725
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A friend did a SSBC 4 wheel disc swap on his C body and it does not work very good, the shop that installed it spent a lot of time on the phone with their tech department and they never did get it to work.




So last night at our car club annual dinner i asked around if anyone had used the SSBC rear disc kit and quite a few have. Everyone of them said the kit was terrible and they all sent them back or just gave up and bought another brand.

Although none of them had used it on a 8 3/4 mopar only fords and chevies.....hummnnn??






Some people can be all "thumbs" when it comes to working on their vehicles....I've installed the SSBC rear discs on 68-70 B bodies, 71-2 B bodies, and 70-74 E bodies, 8 3/4 and DANA 60

...heres SSBC rears on my Charger, no mods needed other than re-routing the hard lines on the axle....everything was bolt-on, rear E brake lines fit/work with no issues,....although the instructions included with the kits lack a step by step approach, anyone with moderate skill can install them,....I think the biggest problem that people encounter is how the parts go together, and in what order,...and centering the caliper over the rotor for equal pad placement,....Stu if your running cast wheels, make sure to increase the length of the wheel studs...as some neglect to do this, common sense is the rule of thumb when making modifications

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Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: DAYCLONA] #1159726
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Stu if your running cast wheels, make sure to increase the length of the wheel studs...as some neglect to do this, common sense is the rule of thumb when making modifications




Thanks for the heads up Mike your set up looks great! I have a set of AR Hoopsters on the car.

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In my case it was complete product failure vs consumer error, although that was the angle SSBC was trying to push.
They went on just fine, although yes I do agree the rear kit instructions are very vague.

I had problems with the crossover tubes on the front calipers leaking. Tightened some more, leaking. Tightened more, still leaking. Finally sent them back to SSBC, to which they replied they were going to repair them vs replace them. I thought they were nuts, but they refused to replace them. I got them back & on the car, they still leaked but this time I got them to stop. They then BLEW APART while bleeding the brakes. I sent them back yet again where they found they were assembled with the incorrect tensile strength bolts from manufacturing. Scary stuff indeed. At this point SSBC refused to offer me a refund because the brakes had been installed (still zero miles on the car mind you).

I found the rear caliper mounting brackets to be on the flimsy side, they have quite a bit of flex to them.
Stu, whatever you do, take Dayclona's advice & do NOT use the wheel studs they give you! With a mere 23 miles on the car the rear wheel studs FAILED. I lost one lug, and almost completely lost a wheel. I don't know what tensile strength steel they are made of, but upon inspection I found the knurls on all the wheel studs rounded off, the studs were flattened smooth. And yes, I know how to install wheel studs, and yes the wheels were torqued properly. There were plenty of threads for the lugs to engage as well.

A friend of mine just had front hubs fail on his SSBC kit on his Dart, they were on the car for about 8 years or so. He nearly lost a wheel, and resulted in quite a bit of damage to his car.

These are just my experiences. I know several people that use & like them just fine. But based on my experiences I won't use their products on my cars ever again.

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: bill440rt] #1159728
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Ok well i will pass this along to the shop that is going to do the install and maybe that will save me some grief??

Thank you!

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: DAYCLONA] #1159729
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A friend did a SSBC 4 wheel disc swap on his C body and it does not work very good, the shop that installed it spent a lot of time on the phone with their tech department and they never did get it to work.




So last night at our car club annual dinner i asked around if anyone had used the SSBC rear disc kit and quite a few have. Everyone of them said the kit was terrible and they all sent them back or just gave up and bought another brand.

Although none of them had used it on a 8 3/4 mopar only fords and chevies.....hummnnn??






Some people can be all "thumbs" when it comes to working on their vehicles....I've installed the SSBC rear discs on 68-70 B bodies, 71-2 B bodies, and 70-74 E bodies, 8 3/4 and DANA 60

...heres SSBC rears on my Charger, no mods needed other than re-routing the hard lines on the axle....everything was bolt-on, rear E brake lines fit/work with no issues,....although the instructions included with the kits lack a step by step approach, anyone with moderate skill can install them,....I think the biggest problem that people encounter is how the parts go together, and in what order,...and centering the caliper over the rotor for equal pad placement,....Stu if your running cast wheels, make sure to increase the length of the wheel studs...as some neglect to do this, common sense is the rule of thumb when making modifications




The shop had no problem installing the kit, they just could never get it to work good. The car has very poor stopping power.


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Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: 67autocross] #1159730
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The shop had no problem installing the kit, they just could never get it to work good. The car has very poor stopping power.






Lots of possible variables?....system not properly bleed?, wrong choice in master cylinder bore?, a residual vavle left in-line?, the PV system still in place?, rubber lines swelling under pressure?, or too much rubber line in the system?.etc,etc,etc


All the things you must consider when building a 4 wheel disc system among other variables

Re: Rear drum to disc conversion SSBC kit question [Re: DAYCLONA] #1159731
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Turns out that one of my friends also bought the SSBC kit this week too. He asked about having to use the green bearings only and they told him the kit will work with stock or green berrings no problem. We shall see!

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Got the front discs painted today:

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