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#1156358 - 01/13/12 11:49 AM Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
jcc Offline
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Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16735
Loc: Trumussia
Entry/Update Date:

Model:

Year:

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver

Application: Show, Daily Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track, Race

Engine Package briefly:

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP

Trans:

Speeds:

Gears:

RE Ratio:

RE Type: Sure Grip, Detroit, Spool, Open



Front Tire Size Brand Model:

Front Rim width:

Rear tire Size Brand Model:

Rear Rim Width:



Aftermarket Front End brand:

TB Dia:

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks:

Front Sway bar Dia:


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Shocks:

Rear Sway bar Dia:

Front Brakes:

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes:

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors:

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage:

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments:



1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):




Add a picture here.






I'm just throwing this idea out there. This is not the post for, mainly IMO how we would set it up. So slam away.

Anyway, unlike the competitive 1/4 mile, roundy crowd, corner guys seem to have no aversion to sharing there knowledge, discoveries, and modifications, likely since few of us line up against each other.

So I would think it would extremely helpful and
efficient if we had a "standard" template/format to list our chassis mods, car, etc. I would think we start an "official post" for each category for a bodies, B Bodies, C bodies, E bodies, Others, late models, etc.

Below are items I would like to know :

Entry/Update Date:
Model:
Year:
Application: Show, Hobby, daily Driver, 1/4 mile, Mixed, Track days, Road Race, Autocross
Engine: (Briefly)
Estimate HP:
Trans
Gears
RA Ratio
Sure Grip Spool Detroit

Front Tire Size Brand Model
Front Rim width
Rear tire Size Brand Model
Rear Rim Width

Front TB Dia
Aftermarket Front End brand
Coil Rate
Front Shocks
ADj Setting Rebound Compression
Front Sway bar Dia
Urethane bushing where?
UCA OEM or aftermarket manufacturer?
TR OEM, 11/16
LCA Reinforcement?
Caster
Camber
Toe

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate
Aftermarket Suspension
Shocks
Adj Setting Rebound Compression
Rear Sway bar Dia

Front Brakes OEM
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia Width
Caliper Pistons
Cooling Ducts

Rear Brakes OEM
Drum Size Dia Width
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia Width
Caliper
Parking Brake OEM None Other

MC OEM Manual Power
Dual Circuit Dia
Aftermarket MC
Proportioning Valve OEM Aftermarket Adj
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other ,Brand


Chassis OEM
Subframe Connectors Welded Bolted
Torque Boxes
Roll bar, Roll Cage
Aftermarket stiffeners

Comments:

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Likely

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10


Other comments:



Well what do you think? Too soon?

So if you think this has merit make your changes and additions and post below, if we get a consensus, we can start this and have at it. I guess it goes without saying that one car per post, and everyone should free to update their specs and redate their post so others cab follow along.


Edited by jcc (01/17/12 04:30 PM)

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#1156359 - 01/13/12 11:53 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
A57_RT Offline
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Posts: 323
I think its a great idea, then people specs are not all over here and there....

As long its open to all mopars


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#1156360 - 01/13/12 11:58 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: A57_RT ]
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#1156361 - 01/13/12 12:03 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: A57_RT ]
autoxcuda Online   content
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25339
Loc: So Cal


ENGINE
•SHORT BLOCK: ‘69 340 block, now .030 over. Scat cast crank kit from Brian @Indio Motor and Machine.
•BLOCK MODS: Oil passages smoothed and ported to reduce turbulence/cavitation and help flow. Valley smoothed and cleaned up to help oil drain-back. Water jackets/passages meticulously picked clean of rust and slag.
•OIL PUMP: Melling high volume. Passages smoothed and matched to rear main cap.
•HEADS: Edlebrock. Ported, intake and exhaust matched, combustion chambers matched to block,
•VALVE COVERS: Old Cal Custom finned ($40 swap meet) with steel core MP gaskets for good no leak and removable seal
•CAM: Comp 274S soild. .502/.511, 236/242 @.050
•ROCKERS: Comp Pro Magnum steel rollers.
•INTAKE: Mopar M1 Single plane, changed to squared carb flange, cleaned up plenum, port matched.
•CARB: Demon Silver Claw 750 cfm advertised. Firesleeve on pump to carb 3/8" fuel lines
•FUEL LINE: 3/8" sender and 3/8" body fuel line. Firesleeve near headers.
•IGNITION: MSD E-Curve distributor
•OIL PAN: Milodon Road Race/Pro Touring pan developed by Milodon from this project!
•Windage Tray: Milodon with Milodon main stud kit
•BOLTS AND STUDS: Milodon Made in USA all in house. Heads, Mains, Oil Pan

COOLING SYSTEM:
•WATER PUMP: Milodon aluminum
•RADIATOR: Champion 4 core
•CLAMPS: ABA brand hose clamps. Smooth inner liner with flare edges that don't dig into hose.
•T-STAT: Milodon brass 160 degree
•FAN CLUTCH: Hayden #2765 (short 3 5/16" mounting)
•FAN : MP shortened
•FLUID: Distilled water, 2 bottles Justice Brothers Radiator Cooling System Protectant with water pump lubricant, 1 bottle Justice Brother Super Radiator Cooler

EXHAUST
•HEADERS: TTI for ground clearance. Port matched then ceramic coated outside, thremal barrier coating inside. Best quality.
•EXHAUST: TTI X-pipe with Super Turbos 2 1/2" and TTI Baracuda stainless tips (not shown in pics below)

TRANSMISSION
•TRANS: 727 Torqueflite, TCI shift kit, Type F fluid, will hold gear, can downshift, bang-screech
•SHIFTER: Worn beat-up B & M Quicksilver that came with car, ratchet action, sometimes a pain
•CONVERTER: 2600 stall and fins modded to get some engine braking.
•TRANS COOLER: All hard lines. 10x6".
REAR END
•REAR END: 8 ¾ Sure Grip 3.23:1

BODY
•WEIGHT: 3350 lbs without driver and old motor with steel rims on a Grain Scale. Be careful referencing to cars that have not been on a scale
•COUPE BODY STYLE: less rear flex, less weight , less weight in rear ( good and bad ), A body Cuda's have very good tire clearences all the way around as compared to other A bodies.
•Future plans: Battery relocated to rear, ABS plastic front air dam modified from another car.

SUSPENSION
•TORSION BARS: 1.14" 320 Lb./ft wheel rate stock .87" 109 Lb./ft, livable, pretty stiff, Hotchkis shocks were key to taming them.
•REAR SPRINGS: Hotchkis. Weigh less that stock.
•FRONT SWAY BAR: Hotchkis 1 1/4" hollow
•REAR SWAY BAR: Hotchkis adjustable ¾" dia. hollow
•SHOCKS: Hotchkis Bilstiens
•STRUT RODS: Hotchkis tubular with heim ends. Precision articulation. Can set for nice bind-free LCA up and down movement. Holds poly LCA bushing against K-frame
•A-ARMS: Hotckis Tubular. Able to dial in any caster desired.
•SUBFRAME CONNECTORS: Hotchkis
•73-76 K-member: reinforced
•STEERING STEERING GEAR: Replacement Mopar remanufactured. Large steering gear spline, crisp, firmer, but not Firm Feel
•PITMAN, IDLER, CENTERLINK: all ‘73-‘76 A-body, to accept large spline gear, Moog parts
•POWER STEERING PUMP: Saginaw with rear oriface drilled out 1/64 larger. The other Mopar pump will not keep up with rapid steering input and are generally poor.
•POWER STEERING FLUID: Justice Brothers heavy duty, don't change often, so extra cost is cheap assurance
•POWER STEERING CAP: later style multi knobbed style with rubber baffle to stop spitting up.
•Future plans: Adding factory power steering cooler, in-line filter, and braided lines for power steering .

BRAKES
•PADS: Discontinued Mopar Police Spec Semi Metalic units ($15 swap meet score)
•DISKS: 11.75" dia junkyard single piston disks
•BRAKE LINES: braided, w/banjo on caliper end for rear caliper placement
•BRAKE FLUID: Justice Brothers High Performance Dot 4
•MASTER CYLINDER: Mopar Performance alum. 2 bolt, 1-1/32" bore, firm immediate pedal, feels great, not for your grandma. Started with manual drums. Thicker master cly adapter to adj. pedal height down. Be aware of pushrod length.
•PROPORTIONING VALVE: Willwood adjustable, had drum brakes so need some proportioning valve
•DRUMS: vented "bell or hat" drums for cooling
•REAR AXLES: 4 ½" bolt redrilled pattern
•Future plans: AREngineering Brembo 13" dia or similar Willwood, brake ducts

WHEELS
•15x9 4 1/4" backspace Optima Minilites (needed front fender lipping/bending) 245/50/15 BFG Comp T/A's ZR all around. (That size is totally discontinued)
Future plans:17x9 with 275/40/17 all the way around

INTERIOR
•STEERING WHEEL: LaCarra 15" padded leather, better grip, small dia. gives more responsive feel ($30 never installed swap meet score)
•SEATS: Used Toyota Celica GTS increased g’s so need better seats, must race car from drivers side
•Future plans: I have one new Scat Pro seat I got for $50 at the swap meet. Would like to find it a mate.







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Edited by autoxcuda (01/13/12 12:14 PM)
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#1156362 - 01/13/12 12:09 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
jcc Offline
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Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16735
Loc: Trumussia
Can you delete all the specs and just list a blank template others can quote?

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#1156363 - 01/13/12 12:16 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
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Posts: 25339
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Quote:

Can you delete all the specs and just list a blank template others can quote?




You mean just use the templete specs you made? Like just fill in the sections you provided?

There's some stuff that's not covered there.
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#1156364 - 01/13/12 12:20 PM 1974 Plymouth Gold Duster, 225 slant six, automatic [Re: A57_RT ]
daniel_depetro Offline
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Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...





Entry/Update Date: #1 / #1

Model: (Gold) Duster

Year: 1974

Application (Show, Hobby, daily Driver, 1/4 mile, Mixed, Track days, Road Race, Autocross): Daily driver (in the spring/summer/fall)

Engine (Briefly): 225 cubic inch 30 degree slanted six cylinder.

Estimated Horsepower & Torque (Crankshaft or Wheel): 105 horsepower & 180 lbs./ft. of torque (OEM Rating for 1974)

Transmission: 904

Gears: 3-speed

Rear Axle Ratio: 3.55:1

Rear Axle 8-1/4" with 5 x 4.5" bolt pattern

Differential: 27 spline Dana/Spicer Trac_Lok clutch type sure-grip

Weight: (with or without driver, also note fluid levels) 3,145 lbs. without driver and with the fuel tank & all fluids topped off (I do not have a washer fluid bottle).




Front Tire Size, Brand, Model: 165/80R-15" (165R-15") Federal SS-657

Front Rim Width: 4.5"

Rear Tire Size, Brand, Model: 255/60R-15" Firestone FireHawk Indy 500

Rear Rim Width: 8.0"




Torsion Bar Diameter: .870"

Aftermarket Front End Brand: Factory K-member

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Monroe 'Gas-Matic' for Duster 340

ADj Setting Rebound Compression:

Front Sway Bar Diameter: None

Urethane Bushing(s) (Locations): Rear leaf spring shackle bushings (TRW).

Upper Control Arms (OEM or aftermarket manufacturer?): OEM 1973+ A-body

Tie Rods & Ends (OEM, 11/16): Moog standard 1973+ A-body replacement

Lower Control Arm Reinforcement? None

Caster:

Camber:

Toe:




Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Aftermarket Suspension: 5-1/2 leaf springs

Shocks: Monroe 'Gas-Matic' for Duster 340

Adj Setting Rebound Compression: N/A

Rear Sway Bar Diameter: None




Front Brakes: OEM 1973+ A-body

Pad Brand: Wagner semi-metallic premium replacement

Rotor Diameter & Width

Caliper & Pistons: OEM 1973+ A-body; single piston

Cooling Ducts: None




Rear Brakes: OEM 1993-98 Jeep Grand Cherokee rear disc

Drum Size Diameter & Width: N/A

Pad Brand: Wagner semi-metallic premium replacement

Rotor Diameter & Width:

Caliper & Pistons: OEM 1993-98 Jeep Grand Cherokee rear disc; single piston

Parking Brake OEM None Other Eliminated




Power Booster (OEM Manual Power): Yes; OEM 1973+ A-body

Dual Circuit Diameter: 1-1/8" (I think?)

Master Cylinder: Lightweight aluminum 2-bolt design

Proportioning Valve (OEM or Aftermarket Adj): OEM 1973+ A-body

Brake Fluid (DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1, Other & Brand): Prestone synthetic DOT 3




Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors (Welded or Bolted): None

Torque Boxes: None

Roll Bar or Roll Cage: None

Aftermarket Stiffeners: None




Comments:

1. Best Above Improvement:
Handling - The H.D. 5-1/2 leaf springs (which came off of my factory Duster 360 4-speed)
General - Gear ratio swap

2. Least Effective Above Improvement: The front tires

3. Next Improvement(s): 2" x 3" x 1/8" subframe connectors (I have), Tuff Wheel steering wheel (I have), Firm Feel Inc. sector support kit, Firm feel Inc. idler arm bushing to bearing upgrade/retrofit kit, larger torsion bars (again), US Car Tool front & rear torque boxes, solid weld all the seams on the K-member, solid weld all the seams on the entire car.

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 (10 = best; Z06, 1 = worst; Yugo): 3.5

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10 (10 = best; Z06, 1 = worst; Yugo): 7.5



Other comments:
My ricer buddies think my car handles like a complete turd, my Mopar buddy thinks it handles pretty sweet compared to his 1973 Road Runner 340 4-speed. I guess it's all relative and can be taken with a grain of salt.
This car has some decent weight reduction done to it.
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1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156365 - 01/13/12 12:39 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
autoxcuda Online   content
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25339
Loc: So Cal
Entry/Update Date: 1/14/2012

Model: Barracuda Formula S 340 Coupe (notchback)

Year: 1968

Application: Show, Hobby, daily Driver, Mixed, Track days, Autocross

Engine: (Briefly)
Estimate HP: 450 HP 475 TQ
•SHORT BLOCK: ‘69 340 block, now .030 over. Scat cast crank kit from Brian @Indio Motor and Machine.
•BLOCK MODS: Oil passages smoothed and ported to reduce turbulence/cavitation and help flow. Valley smoothed and cleaned up to help oil drain-back. Water jackets/passages meticulously picked clean of rust and slag.
•OIL PUMP: Melling high volume. Passages smoothed and matched to rear main cap.
•HEADS: Edlebrock. Ported, intake and exhaust matched, combustion chambers matched to block,
•VALVE COVERS: Old Cal Custom finned ($40 swap meet) with steel core MP gaskets for good no leak and removable seal
•CAM: Comp 274S soild. .502/.511, 236/242 @.050
•ROCKERS: Comp Pro Magnum steel rollers.
•INTAKE: Mopar M1 Single plane, changed to squared carb flange, cleaned up plenum, port matched.
•CARB: Demon Silver Claw 750 cfm advertised. Firesleeve on pump to carb 3/8" fuel lines and Firesleeve near headers. 3/8" line to tank.
•EXHAUST: TTI 1 3/4" stepped headers, X-pipe, full TTI to tips.
•IGNITION: MSD E-Curve distributor
•OIL PAN: Milodon Road Race/Pro Touring pan developed by Milodon from this project!
•Windage Tray: Milodon with Milodon main stud kit
COOLING SYSTEM:
•CLAMPS: ABA brand hose clamps. Smooth inner liner with flare edges that don't dig into hose.
•FLUID: Distilled water, 2 bottles Justice Brothers Radiator Cooling System Protectant with water pump lubricant, 1 bottle Justice Brother Super Radiator Cooler

Trans: 727 shift kit

Gears: stock

RE Ratio: 3.23:1

RE Type: Sure Grip

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/50/15 BFG Comp T/A

Front Rim width: 9"
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 245/50/15 BFG Comp T/A

Rear Rim Width: 9"

Front TB Dia: 1.12"

Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis TVS
•TORSION BARS: 1.14" 320 Lb./ft wheel rate Hotchkis shocks were key to taming them.
•STRUT RODS: Hotchkis tubular with heim ends. Precision articulation. Can set for nice bind-free LCA up and down movement. Holds poly LCA bushing against K-frame
•73-76 K-member: reinforced
•STEERING STEERING GEAR: Replacement Mopar remanufactured. Large steering gear spline, crisp, firmer, but not Firm Feel
•PITMAN, IDLER, CENTERLINK: all ‘73-‘76 A-body, to accept large spline gear, Moog parts
•POWER STEERING PUMP: Saginaw with rear oriface drilled out 1/64 larger. The other Mopar pump will not keep up with rapid steering input and are generally poor.
•POWER STEERING FLUID: Justice Brothers heavy duty
•POWER STEERING CAP: later style multi knobbed style with rubber baffle to stop spitting up.
•Future plans: Adding factory power steering cooler, in-line filter, and braided lines for power steering

Coil Rate: NOPE

Front Shocks: Hotchkis Bilstein RCD
ADj Setting Rebound Compression: No

Front Sway bar Dia: 1 1/2"? Hotchkis

Urethane bushing where? All where applicable

UCA OEM or aftermarket manufacturer? Hotchkis

TR OEM, 11/16: Hotchkis

LCA Reinforcement? Three 1" bridge straps so as not to create more unsprung weight wasting material.

Caster: 5 deg pos

Camber: 1.5 deg neg

Toe: 1 1/32

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Aftermarket Suspension: Hotchkis leaf spring with mid eyes, top leaf for brake hop, two supporting lower leaf that go to front eye. Factory front spring hanger because my small dia tires make the car too low for Hotchkis dropped hanger.

Shocks: Hotchkis Bilstein RCD

Adj Setting Rebound Compression: No

Rear Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis 3/4 hollow

Front Brakes: OEM

Aftermarket Brand Pad: Mopar HD Police Spec Metalic

Rotor Dia Width: stock type 12"

Caliper Pistons: Pin type single piston

Cooling Ducts: not yet

Rear Brakes OEM: OEM

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x 1 3/4"

Aftermarket Brand Pad: Raybestos

Parking Brake: OEM MC OEM Manual Power

Dual Circuit Dia
Aftermarket MC:
MP 1 1/32 aluminum

Proportioning Valve OEM Aftermarket Adj: Adjustable Willwood

Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other ,Brand: Justice Brothers DOT 4

Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis Welded

Torque Boxes: No

Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: No

Comments:

1. Best above improvement: .99 T-bars. Hotchkis Bilstien shocks when I went to 1.12 T-bars.

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Likely Right Stuff 13" Front and rear disk Brakes and 17x9 rims with 275/40/17 tires. Brake ducts. 65-67 B-body rear end with oil control improvements. Front air dam/spoiler

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 6-7. My old old hard tires stink. And my brakes are glazed over.

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10) It's never enough... 7


Other comments:


Edited by autoxcuda (01/13/12 01:34 PM)
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#1156366 - 01/13/12 12:43 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: daniel_depetro]
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Quote:

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1974 Plymouth Gold Duster
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There are no suspension or handling mods done to this car. So why list it?
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#1156367 - 01/13/12 01:06 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...
Quote:

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Other comments:

1974 Plymouth Gold Duster
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Quote:

There are no suspension or handling mods done to this car. So why list it?




My apologies, I didn't realize this was only for people who have $30k+ into aftermarket parts on their car(s).
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1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156368 - 01/13/12 01:14 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: daniel_depetro]
autoxcuda Online   content
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25339
Loc: So Cal
Quote:

Quote:

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Other comments:

1974 Plymouth Gold Duster
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Quote:

There are no suspension or handling mods done to this car. So why list it?




My apologies, I didn't realize this was only for people who have $30k+ into aftermarket parts on their car(s)




My apologies, for being to harsh. But you didn't list any plans for future suspension mods. I see a baseline but no listed interest in suspension mods.

You don't need $30K in parts to do mods. What suspension handling mods are you looking to do? What is your budget? You could do a lot for $500. Especially if you hunt for the right used parts like you do.


Edited by autoxcuda (01/13/12 01:16 PM)
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#1156369 - 01/13/12 02:49 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...
Quote:

My apologies, for being to harsh. But you didn't list any plans for future suspension mods. I see a baseline but no listed interest in suspension mods.



No need to apologize, I have thick skin. I've been into Mopars for nearly 30 years, and one of my favorites are the 1973-74 Dusters. I also have an interest in the six cylinder cars. Needless to say 6-cyl. later model A-bodies were always the low car on the totem pole so to speak so it's a good thing I could care less about what others think of my cars/interests.


Quote:

You don't need $30K in parts to do mods. What suspension handling mods are you looking to do? What is your budget? You could do a lot for $500. Especially if you hunt for the right used parts like you do.



I did add a few future mods I will be making if that improves things. I will be picking a few things up as the deals present themselves.
I'm not out to set any records or have a track day car. I just want something that handles better than when it was new, keeps the factory appearance, and most importantly retains the overall factory feel and ride quality of the car(s).
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1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156370 - 01/13/12 03:36 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: daniel_depetro]
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Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 6396
Loc: Missouri
Quote:

Quote:

My apologies, for being to harsh. But you didn't list any plans for future suspension mods. I see a baseline but no listed interest in suspension mods.



No need to apologize, I have thick skin. I've been into Mopars for nearly 30 years, and one of my favorites are the 1973-74 Dusters. I also have an interest in the six cylinder cars. Needless to say 6-cyl. later model A-bodies were always the low car on the totem pole so to speak so it's a good thing I could care less about what others think of my cars/interests.


Quote:

You don't need $30K in parts to do mods. What suspension handling mods are you looking to do? What is your budget? You could do a lot for $500. Especially if you hunt for the right used parts like you do.



I did add a few future mods I will be making if that improves things. I will be picking a few things up as the deals present themselves.
I'm not out to set any records or have a track day car. I just want something that handles better than when it was new, keeps the factory appearance, and most importantly retains the overall factory feel and ride quality of the car(s).




So contradicting and quick to pull the I've been into mopars for x amount of years. Why do people say this all the time, is it like street cred? You want to have the factory feel and ride quality of the car(s), then you are in the wrong section.

I'll come back through this and put my car in when I have some free time so I didn't just add another post to the thread. Mines pretty stock and I think my next big buy will be the front/rear sway bars from Hotchkis.

Entry/Update Date:

Model: Super Bee

Year: 1968

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver (dont know)

Application: Show and daily driver when it is nice out. 19k miles since 2006. Hope to bring it out to the track this year

Engine Package briefly: ~9.5:1 compression 383. .060 over with edelbrock performer 383 intake and a Holley 750 with vacuum advance. Hi-rev electronic ignition ecu. Cam is from pbm..stats: Adv. Dur. .050 Dur
Int 284 218
Exh 284 218
Valve Lift Int. .458 exh .458
Lobe Sep. 110

Estimate HP: 335?
Trans: 23 spline 4 speed

Speeds: frequently

Gears: 3.55
RE Type: Sure Grip

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 235/60/14 BFG radial t/a
Front Rim width: 6 inches
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/50/15 BFG radial t/a
Rear Rim Width: 10 inches

Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock

Front Shocks: autozone special

Front Sway bar Dia: stock

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: stock

Shocks: air shocks

Rear Sway bar Dia: stock

Front Brakes: 11 inch drums

Rear Brakes: 11 inch drums

Drum Size Dia Width:

Parking Brake: it works

Comments: Basically all a stock rebuild, now working on suspension and brakes. The car hooks really good and I hope to take it to the track this spring. Combination of the big tires out back and cheapo shocks up front seem to be the real reason for it hooking good (or its just not as fast as i think).

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement: First major improvement will be front and rear sway bars from Hotchkis. Hope to get that on by spring. Next will be brakes. Dreaming of a 5 speed passon transmission when those come out and then bigger (17inch?) magnum 500's...

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 3


Edited by 68Killerbee (01/18/12 12:52 PM)
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#1156371 - 01/13/12 03:40 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
70Cuda383 Offline


Registered: 10/07/03
Posts: 21330
Loc: Marysville, O-H-I-O
Entry/Update Date: 1/14/2012

Model: Dodge Dakota Sport, Regular cab, 2wd

Year: 1998

Application: Fun driving!

Engine: 5.9L Magnum. Stock rebuild bottom end.
Heads shaved .030
1008 fel-pros (.039" vs .054" stock gaskets)
Hughes Whiplash cam 222/228 @ .050, .544 lift, 107LSA
M1 2bbl intake
Edelbrock shorty headers
SCT tune on stock PCM, rest of EFI system is stock

285 hp, 325 tq to the rear wheels


Trans: NV3500 5-spd manual
3.48:1 first gear
2.16:1 second gear
1.40:1 third gear
1:1 fourth gear
.73:1 fifth gear

Hurst short-throw shifter mechanism w B-body pistol grip shifter handle

Gears: stock

RE Ratio: 3.92:1

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 255/55/17 Khumo Ecsta

Front Rim width: 9"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 255/55/17 Khumo Ecsta

Rear Rim Width: 9"



Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis 2" loweing springs

Coil Rate: around 910? 920? I don't remember

Front Shocks: Beltech street performance shocks for a lowered Dakota

Front Sway bar Dia: 1 1/2" Hotchkis


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis 3" lowering leaf spring



Shocks: Beltech street performance for lowered Dakota

Rear Sway bar Dia: 15/16" Hotchkis

Front Brakes: OEM


Rotor Dia Width: stock type 11"

Caliper Pistons: Pin type single piston

Cooling Ducts: no

Rear Brakes OEM: OEM

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x 1 3/4"


Parking Brake: OEM

Dual Circuit Dia
OEM MC:
15/16" aluminum


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: NA -- full frame truck

Torque Boxes: No

Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: No

Comments:

1. Best above improvement: Hotchkis sway bars

2. Least effective above improvement Tires. these things are like driving on ice. flat out suck! back end kicks out in 2nd gear all the time. however, these tires are new to me, maybe they're better when its warm out. only driven it while surface temps were 40 or less.

3. Next improvement Viper brakes front and rear: 13" rotors all the way around, 4 piston fixed caliper up front, single piston floating caliper in the rear. (parts sitting in garage, I dont want to install them until I can get a good baseline test of the stock brakes--repeated 60-0 stops measuring distance, fade, temps, etc. to compare the improvements with the Viper parts)

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7.5 It's easy to forget that it's a 4,000 lb truck with how well it grips through corners.


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#1156372 - 01/14/12 10:58 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: 70Cuda383]
JSR1485 Offline
super stock

Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 1119
Loc: Clarksburg NJ
Entry/Update Date: 1/14/2012

Model: 340 Duster H code car

Year: 1970
Application: Driving & possibe Auto Cross

Engine: 360 .030 over Keith black 190 pistons
360 heads 70cc 2.02 intake 1.60 exhaust mild porting
Cam Soild Crane cam 540/560 adv duration 284/294
Comp Steel roller rockers
LD340 intake
Kevco oil pan & pickup 6qt
Hooker headers-3" full exhaust with X pipe
Eagle SIR rods
Mopar Performace HD cast Crank stock stroke
400HP-car went 11.80's as drag car


Trans: Passion Performace A833 street slick shifted 4 speed
Hurst super shifter
Gears: stock Mopar 1969 vintage

RE Ratio: 3.23:1

RE Type: Eaton tru-trac


Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/50/17 Nitto
Front Rim width: 8"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 275/50/17 Nitto
Rear Rim Width: 8"

Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis Adjustable strut arms,Magnum force Heim end tubular control arm, 9/16 Firm Feel sleves and tie rod ends ,re-inforced and rewelded K-Frame-Firm Feel greaseable lower control arm pins, .990 torsion bars,

Front Shocks: QA1 12 way adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: 1 1/2" Hellwig

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Shocks: QA1 12 way adjustable
Rear Sway bar Dia: 15/16" Hellwig
Front Brakes: Wilwood
Rotor Dia Width: 11"

Caliper Pistons: 4 piston
Cooling Ducts: no

Rear Brakes Right Stuff -rear disc converson
Drum Size Dia Width: 10" rotor with parking brake

Parking Brake: OEM

Dual Circuit Dia
OEM MC: 15/16" aluminum


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: Weld in
Torque Boxes: yes
Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: Magnum Force front chassis stiffer kit Comments: Still in progress hoping to have done soon
was transformed from Race car back to street car with all new florr pans.

1. Best above improvement: ?


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#1156373 - 01/14/12 11:04 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: JSR1485]
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Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25339
Loc: So Cal
Quote:


RE Type: Eaton tru-trac





Can/Have you experianced any noticable differences between a Tru-Trac (Torsen type) diff than a Clutch or Cone type?
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#1156374 - 01/14/12 12:04 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
JSR1485 Offline
super stock

Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 1119
Loc: Clarksburg NJ
Not yet I am still in progess of building the car
I will sure let you know when I drive it
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#1156375 - 01/14/12 12:24 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: 68KillerBee]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...
Quote:

So contradicting and quick to pull the I've been into mopars for x amount of years. Why do people say this all the time, is it like street cred?



How is that contradicting? It's simply stating fact. It has nothing to do with street cred. Re-read the following sentence after the one you are referring to.
I may not have lived in the "glory years", however I do remember the 1980's - 90's when Mopar guys were the butt end of all the jokes and were a die hard few (and far between).
This was the point I was attempting to make by those sentences you're referencing: It takes a special type of person to be into Mopars, especially back when the aftermarket was very slim pickings.
Even within the small Mopar community it seems that the late A-bodies (as well as some others) have been looked down upon as a lesser car. Throw in a slant six powertrain and somehow you must not be a real muscle car enthusiast.
I've been into some of these non-high performance 'muscle' cars for quite some time. During that time I've heard it all from many sides. I do it because I love it, not to gain the approval of others. If you do not like how I set my car up, tuff nubs.




Quote:

You want to have the factory feel and ride quality of the car(s), then you are in the wrong section.



Fair enough.
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1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156376 - 01/14/12 04:04 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
72Swinger Offline
master

Registered: 02/23/11
Posts: 4284
Loc: Nebraska

Entry/Update Date:01/14/12
Model:Dart Swinger Special
Year:1972
Application: Show, Hobby, daily Driver, 1/4 mile, Mixed, Track days, Road Race, Autocross all of those with some luck
Engine: (Briefly)451B
Estimate HP:475
Trans Viper T56
Gears
RA Ratio 4.10
Sure Grip Spool Detroit clutch Sure Grip

Front Tire Size 275/35/18 Brand Nitto Model NT555
Front Rim width 18x9
Rear tire Size 335/30/18 Brand Toyo Model RA1
Rear Rim Width 18x10

Front TB Dia .890
Aftermarket Front End brand
Coil Rate
Front Shocks Monroe
ADj Setting Rebound Compression
Front Sway bar Dia 1.5" Hotchkis
Urethane bushing where? Lower CA and swaybar
UCA OEM or aftermarket manufacturer? RMS
TR OEM, 11/16 oem
LCA Reinforcement? Yes
Caster +5.5
Camber -.75
Toe 1/8" in

Rear Leaf Suspension Yes Model Mopar Circle trak +1 Rate 130lb/in?
Aftermarket Suspension
Shocks Monroe
Adj Setting Rebound Compression
Rear Sway bar Dia

Front Brakes OEM tes
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia 11.75 Width
Caliper Oem Pistons
Cooling Ducts someday

Rear Brakes OEM yes
Drum Size Dia 11" Width 2"
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia Width
Caliper
Parking Brake OEM None Other

MC OEM Manual Power 15/16 Dr Diff
Dual Circuit Dia
Aftermarket MC
Proportioning Valve OEM Aftermarket Adj oem
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other ,Brand Valvoline dot 4


Chassis OEM
Subframe Connectors Welded Bolted Welded
Torque Boxes
Roll bar, Roll Cage
Aftermarket stiffeners Rad support, fender braces

Comments:

1. Best above improvement: Hotchkis swaybar

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Likely Bilstein shocks and bigger tbars and rear swaybar

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):6.5

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10 5


Other comments:Flmaing River manual 16:1 box, glass hood,valance and scoop.


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#1156377 - 01/14/12 08:09 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: 70Cuda383]
jcc Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16735
Loc: Trumussia
Entry/Update Date:

Model:

Year:

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver

Application: Show, Daily Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track, Race

Engine Package briefly:

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP

Trans:

Speed:

Gears:

RE Ratio:

RE Type: Sure Grip, Detroit, Spool, Open



Front Tire Size Brand Model:

Front Rim width:

Rear tire Size Brand Model:

Rear Rim Width:



Aftermarket Front End brand:

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks:

Front Sway bar Dia:


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Shocks:

Rear Sway bar Dia:

Front Brakes:

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes :

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :[/b}

[b} Caliper- Pistons :


Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors:

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage:

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments:



1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):



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