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#1156358 - 01/13/12 11:49 AM Should we have Suspension Modification Register?
jcc Offline
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Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16782
Loc: Trumussia
Entry/Update Date:

Model:

Year:

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver

Application: Show, Daily Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track, Race

Engine Package briefly:

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP

Trans:

Speeds:

Gears:

RE Ratio:

RE Type: Sure Grip, Detroit, Spool, Open



Front Tire Size Brand Model:

Front Rim width:

Rear tire Size Brand Model:

Rear Rim Width:



Aftermarket Front End brand:

TB Dia:

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks:

Front Sway bar Dia:


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Shocks:

Rear Sway bar Dia:

Front Brakes:

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes:

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors:

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage:

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments:



1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):




Add a picture here.






I'm just throwing this idea out there. This is not the post for, mainly IMO how we would set it up. So slam away.

Anyway, unlike the competitive 1/4 mile, roundy crowd, corner guys seem to have no aversion to sharing there knowledge, discoveries, and modifications, likely since few of us line up against each other.

So I would think it would extremely helpful and
efficient if we had a "standard" template/format to list our chassis mods, car, etc. I would think we start an "official post" for each category for a bodies, B Bodies, C bodies, E bodies, Others, late models, etc.

Below are items I would like to know :

Entry/Update Date:
Model:
Year:
Application: Show, Hobby, daily Driver, 1/4 mile, Mixed, Track days, Road Race, Autocross
Engine: (Briefly)
Estimate HP:
Trans
Gears
RA Ratio
Sure Grip Spool Detroit

Front Tire Size Brand Model
Front Rim width
Rear tire Size Brand Model
Rear Rim Width

Front TB Dia
Aftermarket Front End brand
Coil Rate
Front Shocks
ADj Setting Rebound Compression
Front Sway bar Dia
Urethane bushing where?
UCA OEM or aftermarket manufacturer?
TR OEM, 11/16
LCA Reinforcement?
Caster
Camber
Toe

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate
Aftermarket Suspension
Shocks
Adj Setting Rebound Compression
Rear Sway bar Dia

Front Brakes OEM
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia Width
Caliper Pistons
Cooling Ducts

Rear Brakes OEM
Drum Size Dia Width
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia Width
Caliper
Parking Brake OEM None Other

MC OEM Manual Power
Dual Circuit Dia
Aftermarket MC
Proportioning Valve OEM Aftermarket Adj
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other ,Brand


Chassis OEM
Subframe Connectors Welded Bolted
Torque Boxes
Roll bar, Roll Cage
Aftermarket stiffeners

Comments:

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Likely

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10


Other comments:



Well what do you think? Too soon?

So if you think this has merit make your changes and additions and post below, if we get a consensus, we can start this and have at it. I guess it goes without saying that one car per post, and everyone should free to update their specs and redate their post so others cab follow along.


Edited by jcc (01/17/12 04:30 PM)

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#1156359 - 01/13/12 11:53 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
A57_RT Offline
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Registered: 01/12/12
Posts: 323
I think its a great idea, then people specs are not all over here and there....

As long its open to all mopars


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#1156360 - 01/13/12 11:58 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: A57_RT ]
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Posts: 95826
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Yup, all Mopars, but not AMCs.
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#1156361 - 01/13/12 12:03 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: A57_RT ]
autoxcuda Offline
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25435
Loc: So Cal


ENGINE
•SHORT BLOCK: ‘69 340 block, now .030 over. Scat cast crank kit from Brian @Indio Motor and Machine.
•BLOCK MODS: Oil passages smoothed and ported to reduce turbulence/cavitation and help flow. Valley smoothed and cleaned up to help oil drain-back. Water jackets/passages meticulously picked clean of rust and slag.
•OIL PUMP: Melling high volume. Passages smoothed and matched to rear main cap.
•HEADS: Edlebrock. Ported, intake and exhaust matched, combustion chambers matched to block,
•VALVE COVERS: Old Cal Custom finned ($40 swap meet) with steel core MP gaskets for good no leak and removable seal
•CAM: Comp 274S soild. .502/.511, 236/242 @.050
•ROCKERS: Comp Pro Magnum steel rollers.
•INTAKE: Mopar M1 Single plane, changed to squared carb flange, cleaned up plenum, port matched.
•CARB: Demon Silver Claw 750 cfm advertised. Firesleeve on pump to carb 3/8" fuel lines
•FUEL LINE: 3/8" sender and 3/8" body fuel line. Firesleeve near headers.
•IGNITION: MSD E-Curve distributor
•OIL PAN: Milodon Road Race/Pro Touring pan developed by Milodon from this project!
•Windage Tray: Milodon with Milodon main stud kit
•BOLTS AND STUDS: Milodon Made in USA all in house. Heads, Mains, Oil Pan

COOLING SYSTEM:
•WATER PUMP: Milodon aluminum
•RADIATOR: Champion 4 core
•CLAMPS: ABA brand hose clamps. Smooth inner liner with flare edges that don't dig into hose.
•T-STAT: Milodon brass 160 degree
•FAN CLUTCH: Hayden #2765 (short 3 5/16" mounting)
•FAN : MP shortened
•FLUID: Distilled water, 2 bottles Justice Brothers Radiator Cooling System Protectant with water pump lubricant, 1 bottle Justice Brother Super Radiator Cooler

EXHAUST
•HEADERS: TTI for ground clearance. Port matched then ceramic coated outside, thremal barrier coating inside. Best quality.
•EXHAUST: TTI X-pipe with Super Turbos 2 1/2" and TTI Baracuda stainless tips (not shown in pics below)

TRANSMISSION
•TRANS: 727 Torqueflite, TCI shift kit, Type F fluid, will hold gear, can downshift, bang-screech
•SHIFTER: Worn beat-up B & M Quicksilver that came with car, ratchet action, sometimes a pain
•CONVERTER: 2600 stall and fins modded to get some engine braking.
•TRANS COOLER: All hard lines. 10x6".
REAR END
•REAR END: 8 ¾ Sure Grip 3.23:1

BODY
•WEIGHT: 3350 lbs without driver and old motor with steel rims on a Grain Scale. Be careful referencing to cars that have not been on a scale
•COUPE BODY STYLE: less rear flex, less weight , less weight in rear ( good and bad ), A body Cuda's have very good tire clearences all the way around as compared to other A bodies.
•Future plans: Battery relocated to rear, ABS plastic front air dam modified from another car.

SUSPENSION
•TORSION BARS: 1.14" 320 Lb./ft wheel rate stock .87" 109 Lb./ft, livable, pretty stiff, Hotchkis shocks were key to taming them.
•REAR SPRINGS: Hotchkis. Weigh less that stock.
•FRONT SWAY BAR: Hotchkis 1 1/4" hollow
•REAR SWAY BAR: Hotchkis adjustable ¾" dia. hollow
•SHOCKS: Hotchkis Bilstiens
•STRUT RODS: Hotchkis tubular with heim ends. Precision articulation. Can set for nice bind-free LCA up and down movement. Holds poly LCA bushing against K-frame
•A-ARMS: Hotckis Tubular. Able to dial in any caster desired.
•SUBFRAME CONNECTORS: Hotchkis
•73-76 K-member: reinforced
•STEERING STEERING GEAR: Replacement Mopar remanufactured. Large steering gear spline, crisp, firmer, but not Firm Feel
•PITMAN, IDLER, CENTERLINK: all ‘73-‘76 A-body, to accept large spline gear, Moog parts
•POWER STEERING PUMP: Saginaw with rear oriface drilled out 1/64 larger. The other Mopar pump will not keep up with rapid steering input and are generally poor.
•POWER STEERING FLUID: Justice Brothers heavy duty, don't change often, so extra cost is cheap assurance
•POWER STEERING CAP: later style multi knobbed style with rubber baffle to stop spitting up.
•Future plans: Adding factory power steering cooler, in-line filter, and braided lines for power steering .

BRAKES
•PADS: Discontinued Mopar Police Spec Semi Metalic units ($15 swap meet score)
•DISKS: 11.75" dia junkyard single piston disks
•BRAKE LINES: braided, w/banjo on caliper end for rear caliper placement
•BRAKE FLUID: Justice Brothers High Performance Dot 4
•MASTER CYLINDER: Mopar Performance alum. 2 bolt, 1-1/32" bore, firm immediate pedal, feels great, not for your grandma. Started with manual drums. Thicker master cly adapter to adj. pedal height down. Be aware of pushrod length.
•PROPORTIONING VALVE: Willwood adjustable, had drum brakes so need some proportioning valve
•DRUMS: vented "bell or hat" drums for cooling
•REAR AXLES: 4 ½" bolt redrilled pattern
•Future plans: AREngineering Brembo 13" dia or similar Willwood, brake ducts

WHEELS
•15x9 4 1/4" backspace Optima Minilites (needed front fender lipping/bending) 245/50/15 BFG Comp T/A's ZR all around. (That size is totally discontinued)
Future plans:17x9 with 275/40/17 all the way around

INTERIOR
•STEERING WHEEL: LaCarra 15" padded leather, better grip, small dia. gives more responsive feel ($30 never installed swap meet score)
•SEATS: Used Toyota Celica GTS increased g’s so need better seats, must race car from drivers side
•Future plans: I have one new Scat Pro seat I got for $50 at the swap meet. Would like to find it a mate.







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Edited by autoxcuda (01/13/12 12:14 PM)
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#1156362 - 01/13/12 12:09 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
jcc Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16782
Loc: Trumussia
Can you delete all the specs and just list a blank template others can quote?

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#1156363 - 01/13/12 12:16 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
autoxcuda Offline
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25435
Loc: So Cal
Quote:

Can you delete all the specs and just list a blank template others can quote?




You mean just use the templete specs you made? Like just fill in the sections you provided?

There's some stuff that's not covered there.
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#1156364 - 01/13/12 12:20 PM 1974 Plymouth Gold Duster, 225 slant six, automatic [Re: A57_RT ]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...





Entry/Update Date: #1 / #1

Model: (Gold) Duster

Year: 1974

Application (Show, Hobby, daily Driver, 1/4 mile, Mixed, Track days, Road Race, Autocross): Daily driver (in the spring/summer/fall)

Engine (Briefly): 225 cubic inch 30 degree slanted six cylinder.

Estimated Horsepower & Torque (Crankshaft or Wheel): 105 horsepower & 180 lbs./ft. of torque (OEM Rating for 1974)

Transmission: 904

Gears: 3-speed

Rear Axle Ratio: 3.55:1

Rear Axle 8-1/4" with 5 x 4.5" bolt pattern

Differential: 27 spline Dana/Spicer Trac_Lok clutch type sure-grip

Weight: (with or without driver, also note fluid levels) 3,145 lbs. without driver and with the fuel tank & all fluids topped off (I do not have a washer fluid bottle).




Front Tire Size, Brand, Model: 165/80R-15" (165R-15") Federal SS-657

Front Rim Width: 4.5"

Rear Tire Size, Brand, Model: 255/60R-15" Firestone FireHawk Indy 500

Rear Rim Width: 8.0"




Torsion Bar Diameter: .870"

Aftermarket Front End Brand: Factory K-member

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Monroe 'Gas-Matic' for Duster 340

ADj Setting Rebound Compression:

Front Sway Bar Diameter: None

Urethane Bushing(s) (Locations): Rear leaf spring shackle bushings (TRW).

Upper Control Arms (OEM or aftermarket manufacturer?): OEM 1973+ A-body

Tie Rods & Ends (OEM, 11/16): Moog standard 1973+ A-body replacement

Lower Control Arm Reinforcement? None

Caster:

Camber:

Toe:




Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Aftermarket Suspension: 5-1/2 leaf springs

Shocks: Monroe 'Gas-Matic' for Duster 340

Adj Setting Rebound Compression: N/A

Rear Sway Bar Diameter: None




Front Brakes: OEM 1973+ A-body

Pad Brand: Wagner semi-metallic premium replacement

Rotor Diameter & Width

Caliper & Pistons: OEM 1973+ A-body; single piston

Cooling Ducts: None




Rear Brakes: OEM 1993-98 Jeep Grand Cherokee rear disc

Drum Size Diameter & Width: N/A

Pad Brand: Wagner semi-metallic premium replacement

Rotor Diameter & Width:

Caliper & Pistons: OEM 1993-98 Jeep Grand Cherokee rear disc; single piston

Parking Brake OEM None Other Eliminated




Power Booster (OEM Manual Power): Yes; OEM 1973+ A-body

Dual Circuit Diameter: 1-1/8" (I think?)

Master Cylinder: Lightweight aluminum 2-bolt design

Proportioning Valve (OEM or Aftermarket Adj): OEM 1973+ A-body

Brake Fluid (DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1, Other & Brand): Prestone synthetic DOT 3




Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors (Welded or Bolted): None

Torque Boxes: None

Roll Bar or Roll Cage: None

Aftermarket Stiffeners: None




Comments:

1. Best Above Improvement:
Handling - The H.D. 5-1/2 leaf springs (which came off of my factory Duster 360 4-speed)
General - Gear ratio swap

2. Least Effective Above Improvement: The front tires

3. Next Improvement(s): 2" x 3" x 1/8" subframe connectors (I have), Tuff Wheel steering wheel (I have), Firm Feel Inc. sector support kit, Firm feel Inc. idler arm bushing to bearing upgrade/retrofit kit, larger torsion bars (again), US Car Tool front & rear torque boxes, solid weld all the seams on the K-member, solid weld all the seams on the entire car.

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 (10 = best; Z06, 1 = worst; Yugo): 3.5

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10 (10 = best; Z06, 1 = worst; Yugo): 7.5



Other comments:
My ricer buddies think my car handles like a complete turd, my Mopar buddy thinks it handles pretty sweet compared to his 1973 Road Runner 340 4-speed. I guess it's all relative and can be taken with a grain of salt.
This car has some decent weight reduction done to it.
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1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156365 - 01/13/12 12:39 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
autoxcuda Offline
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25435
Loc: So Cal
Entry/Update Date: 1/14/2012

Model: Barracuda Formula S 340 Coupe (notchback)

Year: 1968

Application: Show, Hobby, daily Driver, Mixed, Track days, Autocross

Engine: (Briefly)
Estimate HP: 450 HP 475 TQ
•SHORT BLOCK: ‘69 340 block, now .030 over. Scat cast crank kit from Brian @Indio Motor and Machine.
•BLOCK MODS: Oil passages smoothed and ported to reduce turbulence/cavitation and help flow. Valley smoothed and cleaned up to help oil drain-back. Water jackets/passages meticulously picked clean of rust and slag.
•OIL PUMP: Melling high volume. Passages smoothed and matched to rear main cap.
•HEADS: Edlebrock. Ported, intake and exhaust matched, combustion chambers matched to block,
•VALVE COVERS: Old Cal Custom finned ($40 swap meet) with steel core MP gaskets for good no leak and removable seal
•CAM: Comp 274S soild. .502/.511, 236/242 @.050
•ROCKERS: Comp Pro Magnum steel rollers.
•INTAKE: Mopar M1 Single plane, changed to squared carb flange, cleaned up plenum, port matched.
•CARB: Demon Silver Claw 750 cfm advertised. Firesleeve on pump to carb 3/8" fuel lines and Firesleeve near headers. 3/8" line to tank.
•EXHAUST: TTI 1 3/4" stepped headers, X-pipe, full TTI to tips.
•IGNITION: MSD E-Curve distributor
•OIL PAN: Milodon Road Race/Pro Touring pan developed by Milodon from this project!
•Windage Tray: Milodon with Milodon main stud kit
COOLING SYSTEM:
•CLAMPS: ABA brand hose clamps. Smooth inner liner with flare edges that don't dig into hose.
•FLUID: Distilled water, 2 bottles Justice Brothers Radiator Cooling System Protectant with water pump lubricant, 1 bottle Justice Brother Super Radiator Cooler

Trans: 727 shift kit

Gears: stock

RE Ratio: 3.23:1

RE Type: Sure Grip

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/50/15 BFG Comp T/A

Front Rim width: 9"
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 245/50/15 BFG Comp T/A

Rear Rim Width: 9"

Front TB Dia: 1.12"

Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis TVS
•TORSION BARS: 1.14" 320 Lb./ft wheel rate Hotchkis shocks were key to taming them.
•STRUT RODS: Hotchkis tubular with heim ends. Precision articulation. Can set for nice bind-free LCA up and down movement. Holds poly LCA bushing against K-frame
•73-76 K-member: reinforced
•STEERING STEERING GEAR: Replacement Mopar remanufactured. Large steering gear spline, crisp, firmer, but not Firm Feel
•PITMAN, IDLER, CENTERLINK: all ‘73-‘76 A-body, to accept large spline gear, Moog parts
•POWER STEERING PUMP: Saginaw with rear oriface drilled out 1/64 larger. The other Mopar pump will not keep up with rapid steering input and are generally poor.
•POWER STEERING FLUID: Justice Brothers heavy duty
•POWER STEERING CAP: later style multi knobbed style with rubber baffle to stop spitting up.
•Future plans: Adding factory power steering cooler, in-line filter, and braided lines for power steering

Coil Rate: NOPE

Front Shocks: Hotchkis Bilstein RCD
ADj Setting Rebound Compression: No

Front Sway bar Dia: 1 1/2"? Hotchkis

Urethane bushing where? All where applicable

UCA OEM or aftermarket manufacturer? Hotchkis

TR OEM, 11/16: Hotchkis

LCA Reinforcement? Three 1" bridge straps so as not to create more unsprung weight wasting material.

Caster: 5 deg pos

Camber: 1.5 deg neg

Toe: 1 1/32

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Aftermarket Suspension: Hotchkis leaf spring with mid eyes, top leaf for brake hop, two supporting lower leaf that go to front eye. Factory front spring hanger because my small dia tires make the car too low for Hotchkis dropped hanger.

Shocks: Hotchkis Bilstein RCD

Adj Setting Rebound Compression: No

Rear Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis 3/4 hollow

Front Brakes: OEM

Aftermarket Brand Pad: Mopar HD Police Spec Metalic

Rotor Dia Width: stock type 12"

Caliper Pistons: Pin type single piston

Cooling Ducts: not yet

Rear Brakes OEM: OEM

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x 1 3/4"

Aftermarket Brand Pad: Raybestos

Parking Brake: OEM MC OEM Manual Power

Dual Circuit Dia
Aftermarket MC:
MP 1 1/32 aluminum

Proportioning Valve OEM Aftermarket Adj: Adjustable Willwood

Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other ,Brand: Justice Brothers DOT 4

Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis Welded

Torque Boxes: No

Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: No

Comments:

1. Best above improvement: .99 T-bars. Hotchkis Bilstien shocks when I went to 1.12 T-bars.

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Likely Right Stuff 13" Front and rear disk Brakes and 17x9 rims with 275/40/17 tires. Brake ducts. 65-67 B-body rear end with oil control improvements. Front air dam/spoiler

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 6-7. My old old hard tires stink. And my brakes are glazed over.

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10) It's never enough... 7


Other comments:


Edited by autoxcuda (01/13/12 01:34 PM)
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#1156366 - 01/13/12 12:43 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: daniel_depetro]
autoxcuda Offline
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Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25435
Loc: So Cal
Quote:

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Other comments:

1974 Plymouth Gold Duster
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There are no suspension or handling mods done to this car. So why list it?
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#1156367 - 01/13/12 01:06 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...
Quote:

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Other comments:

1974 Plymouth Gold Duster
...




Quote:

There are no suspension or handling mods done to this car. So why list it?




My apologies, I didn't realize this was only for people who have $30k+ into aftermarket parts on their car(s).
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1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156368 - 01/13/12 01:14 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: daniel_depetro]
autoxcuda Offline
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25435
Loc: So Cal
Quote:

Quote:

...

Other comments:

1974 Plymouth Gold Duster
...




Quote:

There are no suspension or handling mods done to this car. So why list it?




My apologies, I didn't realize this was only for people who have $30k+ into aftermarket parts on their car(s)




My apologies, for being to harsh. But you didn't list any plans for future suspension mods. I see a baseline but no listed interest in suspension mods.

You don't need $30K in parts to do mods. What suspension handling mods are you looking to do? What is your budget? You could do a lot for $500. Especially if you hunt for the right used parts like you do.


Edited by autoxcuda (01/13/12 01:16 PM)
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#1156369 - 01/13/12 02:49 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...
Quote:

My apologies, for being to harsh. But you didn't list any plans for future suspension mods. I see a baseline but no listed interest in suspension mods.



No need to apologize, I have thick skin. I've been into Mopars for nearly 30 years, and one of my favorites are the 1973-74 Dusters. I also have an interest in the six cylinder cars. Needless to say 6-cyl. later model A-bodies were always the low car on the totem pole so to speak so it's a good thing I could care less about what others think of my cars/interests.


Quote:

You don't need $30K in parts to do mods. What suspension handling mods are you looking to do? What is your budget? You could do a lot for $500. Especially if you hunt for the right used parts like you do.



I did add a few future mods I will be making if that improves things. I will be picking a few things up as the deals present themselves.
I'm not out to set any records or have a track day car. I just want something that handles better than when it was new, keeps the factory appearance, and most importantly retains the overall factory feel and ride quality of the car(s).
_________________________
1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156370 - 01/13/12 03:36 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: daniel_depetro]
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Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 6417
Loc: Missouri
Quote:

Quote:

My apologies, for being to harsh. But you didn't list any plans for future suspension mods. I see a baseline but no listed interest in suspension mods.



No need to apologize, I have thick skin. I've been into Mopars for nearly 30 years, and one of my favorites are the 1973-74 Dusters. I also have an interest in the six cylinder cars. Needless to say 6-cyl. later model A-bodies were always the low car on the totem pole so to speak so it's a good thing I could care less about what others think of my cars/interests.


Quote:

You don't need $30K in parts to do mods. What suspension handling mods are you looking to do? What is your budget? You could do a lot for $500. Especially if you hunt for the right used parts like you do.



I did add a few future mods I will be making if that improves things. I will be picking a few things up as the deals present themselves.
I'm not out to set any records or have a track day car. I just want something that handles better than when it was new, keeps the factory appearance, and most importantly retains the overall factory feel and ride quality of the car(s).




So contradicting and quick to pull the I've been into mopars for x amount of years. Why do people say this all the time, is it like street cred? You want to have the factory feel and ride quality of the car(s), then you are in the wrong section.

I'll come back through this and put my car in when I have some free time so I didn't just add another post to the thread. Mines pretty stock and I think my next big buy will be the front/rear sway bars from Hotchkis.

Entry/Update Date:

Model: Super Bee

Year: 1968

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver (dont know)

Application: Show and daily driver when it is nice out. 19k miles since 2006. Hope to bring it out to the track this year

Engine Package briefly: ~9.5:1 compression 383. .060 over with edelbrock performer 383 intake and a Holley 750 with vacuum advance. Hi-rev electronic ignition ecu. Cam is from pbm..stats: Adv. Dur. .050 Dur
Int 284 218
Exh 284 218
Valve Lift Int. .458 exh .458
Lobe Sep. 110

Estimate HP: 335?
Trans: 23 spline 4 speed

Speeds: frequently

Gears: 3.55
RE Type: Sure Grip

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 235/60/14 BFG radial t/a
Front Rim width: 6 inches
Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/50/15 BFG radial t/a
Rear Rim Width: 10 inches

Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock

Front Shocks: autozone special

Front Sway bar Dia: stock

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: stock

Shocks: air shocks

Rear Sway bar Dia: stock

Front Brakes: 11 inch drums

Rear Brakes: 11 inch drums

Drum Size Dia Width:

Parking Brake: it works

Comments: Basically all a stock rebuild, now working on suspension and brakes. The car hooks really good and I hope to take it to the track this spring. Combination of the big tires out back and cheapo shocks up front seem to be the real reason for it hooking good (or its just not as fast as i think).

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement: First major improvement will be front and rear sway bars from Hotchkis. Hope to get that on by spring. Next will be brakes. Dreaming of a 5 speed passon transmission when those come out and then bigger (17inch?) magnum 500's...

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 3


Edited by 68Killerbee (01/18/12 12:52 PM)
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#1156371 - 01/13/12 03:40 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
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Registered: 10/07/03
Posts: 21334
Loc: Marysville, O-H-I-O
Entry/Update Date: 1/14/2012

Model: Dodge Dakota Sport, Regular cab, 2wd

Year: 1998

Application: Fun driving!

Engine: 5.9L Magnum. Stock rebuild bottom end.
Heads shaved .030
1008 fel-pros (.039" vs .054" stock gaskets)
Hughes Whiplash cam 222/228 @ .050, .544 lift, 107LSA
M1 2bbl intake
Edelbrock shorty headers
SCT tune on stock PCM, rest of EFI system is stock

285 hp, 325 tq to the rear wheels


Trans: NV3500 5-spd manual
3.48:1 first gear
2.16:1 second gear
1.40:1 third gear
1:1 fourth gear
.73:1 fifth gear

Hurst short-throw shifter mechanism w B-body pistol grip shifter handle

Gears: stock

RE Ratio: 3.92:1

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 255/55/17 Khumo Ecsta

Front Rim width: 9"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 255/55/17 Khumo Ecsta

Rear Rim Width: 9"



Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis 2" loweing springs

Coil Rate: around 910? 920? I don't remember

Front Shocks: Beltech street performance shocks for a lowered Dakota

Front Sway bar Dia: 1 1/2" Hotchkis


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis 3" lowering leaf spring



Shocks: Beltech street performance for lowered Dakota

Rear Sway bar Dia: 15/16" Hotchkis

Front Brakes: OEM


Rotor Dia Width: stock type 11"

Caliper Pistons: Pin type single piston

Cooling Ducts: no

Rear Brakes OEM: OEM

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x 1 3/4"


Parking Brake: OEM

Dual Circuit Dia
OEM MC:
15/16" aluminum


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: NA -- full frame truck

Torque Boxes: No

Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: No

Comments:

1. Best above improvement: Hotchkis sway bars

2. Least effective above improvement Tires. these things are like driving on ice. flat out suck! back end kicks out in 2nd gear all the time. however, these tires are new to me, maybe they're better when its warm out. only driven it while surface temps were 40 or less.

3. Next improvement Viper brakes front and rear: 13" rotors all the way around, 4 piston fixed caliper up front, single piston floating caliper in the rear. (parts sitting in garage, I dont want to install them until I can get a good baseline test of the stock brakes--repeated 60-0 stops measuring distance, fade, temps, etc. to compare the improvements with the Viper parts)

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7.5 It's easy to forget that it's a 4,000 lb truck with how well it grips through corners.


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#1156372 - 01/14/12 10:58 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: 70Cuda383]
JSR1485 Offline
super stock

Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 1119
Loc: Clarksburg NJ
Entry/Update Date: 1/14/2012

Model: 340 Duster H code car

Year: 1970
Application: Driving & possibe Auto Cross

Engine: 360 .030 over Keith black 190 pistons
360 heads 70cc 2.02 intake 1.60 exhaust mild porting
Cam Soild Crane cam 540/560 adv duration 284/294
Comp Steel roller rockers
LD340 intake
Kevco oil pan & pickup 6qt
Hooker headers-3" full exhaust with X pipe
Eagle SIR rods
Mopar Performace HD cast Crank stock stroke
400HP-car went 11.80's as drag car


Trans: Passion Performace A833 street slick shifted 4 speed
Hurst super shifter
Gears: stock Mopar 1969 vintage

RE Ratio: 3.23:1

RE Type: Eaton tru-trac


Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/50/17 Nitto
Front Rim width: 8"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 275/50/17 Nitto
Rear Rim Width: 8"

Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis Adjustable strut arms,Magnum force Heim end tubular control arm, 9/16 Firm Feel sleves and tie rod ends ,re-inforced and rewelded K-Frame-Firm Feel greaseable lower control arm pins, .990 torsion bars,

Front Shocks: QA1 12 way adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: 1 1/2" Hellwig

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Shocks: QA1 12 way adjustable
Rear Sway bar Dia: 15/16" Hellwig
Front Brakes: Wilwood
Rotor Dia Width: 11"

Caliper Pistons: 4 piston
Cooling Ducts: no

Rear Brakes Right Stuff -rear disc converson
Drum Size Dia Width: 10" rotor with parking brake

Parking Brake: OEM

Dual Circuit Dia
OEM MC: 15/16" aluminum


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: Weld in
Torque Boxes: yes
Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: Magnum Force front chassis stiffer kit Comments: Still in progress hoping to have done soon
was transformed from Race car back to street car with all new florr pans.

1. Best above improvement: ?


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#1156373 - 01/14/12 11:04 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: JSR1485]
autoxcuda Offline
Too Many Posts

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 25435
Loc: So Cal
Quote:


RE Type: Eaton tru-trac





Can/Have you experianced any noticable differences between a Tru-Trac (Torsen type) diff than a Clutch or Cone type?
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#1156374 - 01/14/12 12:04 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
JSR1485 Offline
super stock

Registered: 08/06/03
Posts: 1119
Loc: Clarksburg NJ
Not yet I am still in progess of building the car
I will sure let you know when I drive it
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#1156375 - 01/14/12 12:24 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: 68KillerBee]
daniel_depetro Offline
pro stock

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 1438
Loc: Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...
Quote:

So contradicting and quick to pull the I've been into mopars for x amount of years. Why do people say this all the time, is it like street cred?



How is that contradicting? It's simply stating fact. It has nothing to do with street cred. Re-read the following sentence after the one you are referring to.
I may not have lived in the "glory years", however I do remember the 1980's - 90's when Mopar guys were the butt end of all the jokes and were a die hard few (and far between).
This was the point I was attempting to make by those sentences you're referencing: It takes a special type of person to be into Mopars, especially back when the aftermarket was very slim pickings.
Even within the small Mopar community it seems that the late A-bodies (as well as some others) have been looked down upon as a lesser car. Throw in a slant six powertrain and somehow you must not be a real muscle car enthusiast.
I've been into some of these non-high performance 'muscle' cars for quite some time. During that time I've heard it all from many sides. I do it because I love it, not to gain the approval of others. If you do not like how I set my car up, tuff nubs.




Quote:

You want to have the factory feel and ride quality of the car(s), then you are in the wrong section.



Fair enough.
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1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

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#1156376 - 01/14/12 04:04 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
72Swinger Offline
master

Registered: 02/23/11
Posts: 4288
Loc: Nebraska

Entry/Update Date:01/14/12
Model:Dart Swinger Special
Year:1972
Application: Show, Hobby, daily Driver, 1/4 mile, Mixed, Track days, Road Race, Autocross all of those with some luck
Engine: (Briefly)451B
Estimate HP:475
Trans Viper T56
Gears
RA Ratio 4.10
Sure Grip Spool Detroit clutch Sure Grip

Front Tire Size 275/35/18 Brand Nitto Model NT555
Front Rim width 18x9
Rear tire Size 335/30/18 Brand Toyo Model RA1
Rear Rim Width 18x10

Front TB Dia .890
Aftermarket Front End brand
Coil Rate
Front Shocks Monroe
ADj Setting Rebound Compression
Front Sway bar Dia 1.5" Hotchkis
Urethane bushing where? Lower CA and swaybar
UCA OEM or aftermarket manufacturer? RMS
TR OEM, 11/16 oem
LCA Reinforcement? Yes
Caster +5.5
Camber -.75
Toe 1/8" in

Rear Leaf Suspension Yes Model Mopar Circle trak +1 Rate 130lb/in?
Aftermarket Suspension
Shocks Monroe
Adj Setting Rebound Compression
Rear Sway bar Dia

Front Brakes OEM tes
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia 11.75 Width
Caliper Oem Pistons
Cooling Ducts someday

Rear Brakes OEM yes
Drum Size Dia 11" Width 2"
Aftermarket Brand Pad
Rotor Dia Width
Caliper
Parking Brake OEM None Other

MC OEM Manual Power 15/16 Dr Diff
Dual Circuit Dia
Aftermarket MC
Proportioning Valve OEM Aftermarket Adj oem
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other ,Brand Valvoline dot 4


Chassis OEM
Subframe Connectors Welded Bolted Welded
Torque Boxes
Roll bar, Roll Cage
Aftermarket stiffeners Rad support, fender braces

Comments:

1. Best above improvement: Hotchkis swaybar

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Likely Bilstein shocks and bigger tbars and rear swaybar

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):6.5

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10 5


Other comments:Flmaing River manual 16:1 box, glass hood,valance and scoop.


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#1156377 - 01/14/12 08:09 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: 70Cuda383]
jcc Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16782
Loc: Trumussia
Entry/Update Date:

Model:

Year:

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver

Application: Show, Daily Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track, Race

Engine Package briefly:

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP

Trans:

Speed:

Gears:

RE Ratio:

RE Type: Sure Grip, Detroit, Spool, Open



Front Tire Size Brand Model:

Front Rim width:

Rear tire Size Brand Model:

Rear Rim Width:



Aftermarket Front End brand:

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks:

Front Sway bar Dia:


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Shocks:

Rear Sway bar Dia:

Front Brakes:

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes :

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :[/b}

[b} Caliper- Pistons :


Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors:

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage:

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments:



1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):



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#1156378 - 01/15/12 12:11 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
TC@HP2 Offline
master

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 4759
Loc: Pikes Peak Country
Entry/Update Date Jan 15, 2012

Model: Satellite

Year: 1967

Weight: 3250, w driver 1/4 tank of gas, all fluids

Application: Occasionaly drove it on the road, but it also drag raced. Never tried dodging cones with it.

Engine Package briefly: 360, balanced, blueprinted, high swirl heads, too much cam.

Estimate HP: 400 FW HP at sea level. At my altitude, much much less.

Trans: 727 auto

Speed: Never top ended it. It would run the quarter @ 115

Gears:stock 727

RE Ratio: 4:89, 4:56, 3:23

RE Type: spool for the 4 series, Sure grip for the 3s.



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 255/50x16 Goodyear Gatorbacks

Front Rim width: 8"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 255/50x16 Goodyear Gatorbacks

Rear Rim Width: 8"



Aftermarket Front End brand: stock layout

Coil Rate: .96 t-bar, aprox 160#

Front Shocks: Mopar Oval track (carrera)

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.125"


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: stock layout, XHD style, 160#

Shocks: Mopar Oval track (carrera)

Rear Sway bar Dia: none

Front Brakes: OEM style

Rotor Dia Width: 11.75"

Caliper-Pistons: OEM iron single pot

Cooling Ducts: none

Rear Brakes : OEM style

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x3 drums

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1 1/32, 70/30 split


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: 1x2 bolt in style that were welded

Torque Boxes: no

Roll bar, Roll Cage: no

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments: Firm Feel box with fast ratio arms.


1. Best above improvement: Sway bars, sub frame connectors

2. Least effective above improvement: considering the changes from original, nothing disappointed.

3. Next improvement: None, I sold the car years ago.

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): I'd give it a 7. I built this in the early 90s. It felt comparable to a Porsche 924 or a mid 80s Vette. Unfortunatly there was not much focus on handling cars back then, so I never bothered to try an open track day or autocross. It was only registered for a short time, so my street experience with it was limited. I ended up running it on the drag strip more than anything else and that gave me a very unique persective of handling set ups vs drag set ups and some of the actual give and take of the differences and their impact

Here is is with the drag tires on it at Bandimere.

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#1156379 - 01/15/12 12:29 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: TC@HP2]
TC@HP2 Offline
master

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 4759
Loc: Pikes Peak Country
Entry/Update Date: Jan 15, 2012

Model: Satellite

Year: 1971

Weight: Wet w/driver 3500, with driver, full fuel load

Application: race

Engine Package briefly: 318

Estimate HP: Geez, like maybe 200, sea level

Trans: 727 auto

Speed: never fast enough

Gears:Stock 727

RE Ratio: 3:55

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Goodyear, 26x12 race slick

Front Rim width: 15x10

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Goodyear 26x12 race slick

Rear Rim Width: 15x10



Aftermarket Front End brand: OEM

Coil Rate: very few notes form this time, I'd guess .92" 130#

Front Shocks: Monroe Gas

Front Sway bar Dia: 1"


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: stock leafs, 120#

Shocks: Monroe gas

Rear Sway bar Dia: na

Front Brakes: stock discs 10.75"

Rotor Dia Width: 10.75"

Caliper-Pistons: OEM iron single pot

Cooling Ducts: yes

Rear Brakes : stock drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x3

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC: stock


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: yes, 3x3 fabbed

Torque Boxes: no

Roll bar, Roll Cage: bolt in four post cage

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments: Boy was I young and naive. I never knew you got paid to drive race cars until one day when I pulled in the gate and they handed me a check from the previous weekend. After that I was hooked.



1. Best above improvement: Racing seat. Nothign better to hold you in place.

2. Least effective above improvement The big stinking tires. Too much rubber for the application.

3.Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): I'd give it a 5. I wasn't dead last but tended to be towards the rear of the pack.

Built in the early 80s, it was my first "handling" experience. Granted, it predominately turned left, but it was my first forray in to a car that didn't just go in a straight line. I beat the tar out of it and by the end of the year, decided to throw it away and build a new one, it was that rough. In hind sight, it wasn't as bad as others I've seen, but in 1983 you could buy these cars for a few hundred bucks so why put out the effort to fix it.


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#1156380 - 01/15/12 12:38 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: TC@HP2]
TC@HP2 Offline
master

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 4759
Loc: Pikes Peak Country
Entry/Update Date: Jan 15, 2012

Model: Satellite

Year: 1972

Weight: Wet w/driver and fuel 3500#

Application: Race

Engine Package briefly: 400

Estimate HP: maybe 300

Trans: 727 auto

Speed: dunno

Gears:

RE Ratio: 3:55

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 28x8, recap race tires

Front Rim width: 15x8 wagon wheels

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 28x8, recap race tires

Rear Rim Width : 15x8 wagon wheels



Aftermarket Front End brand: nope, it was stock

Coil Rate: 1" torsion bars, 175#

Front Shocks: Monroe gas

Front Sway bar Dia: 1"


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: OEM 120#

Shocks: Monroe gas

Rear Sway bar Dia: na

Front Brakes: disc

Rotor Dia Width: 11.75

Caliper-Pistons: OEM

Cooling Ducts: yes

Rear Brakes : OEM

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x3

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC: stock


Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: Yes, 3x3 custom

Torque Boxes: no

Roll bar, Roll Cage: bolt in four post cage

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments: Discovered tall sprindles were faster.



1. Best above improvement: gas shocks. Monroe just released these and compared to the old oil shocks, they were great!

2. Least effective above improvement Needed more roll resistance.

3. Next improvement Didn't get to tinker much after this year because of changes in my personal life. Parted the car out at season's end

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): I'd go 7 on this one.

This is a different car than the previous one. Built a year later, I started to get into the meat of the subject and started experimenting with different parts. Ran much faster, handled much better, and actually began to win races. However, after the local track closed, I sold off the good parts, scraped the rest, and quit racing for a few years. When I returned to an oval in the early 90s, I defected to GM and Ford products because mopar prices were stupid high for a car that was going to get shredded on a regular basis. However, that gave me some insight to pro/cons of the moapr set up vs the popular GM and Ford set ups seen around today.

Picture taken in front of the local dragstrip tower which adjoined the oval track.


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#1156381 - 01/15/12 01:04 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: TC@HP2]
TC@HP2 Offline
master

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 4759
Loc: Pikes Peak Country
Entry/Update Date: Jan 15, 2012

Model: Challenger

Year: 1974

Weight: 3650 or so, its been a while since I scaled it. More than I'd like it to have, in any case.

Application: Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track

Engine Package briefly: 360, with as much compression as I can get away with

Estimate HP: 400-425 FW, sea level rating

Trans: 833 4 spd

Speed: Dunno yet

Gears: stock four speed

RE Ratio: 3:55

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: M/T SR 26x10x15

Front Rim width: 15x8

Rear tire Size Brand Model: M/T SR 26x12x15

Rear Rim Width: 15x10



Aftermarket Front End brand: OEM

Coil Rate: 1.22 t-bars, 400# rate

Front Shocks: Varishock aluminum body twin tube single adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.125


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Mopar zero arch oval track, 120# moved in 1" per side with a 67 B body rear housing

Shocks: Varishock aluminum body twin tube single adjustable

Rear Sway bar Dia: 1" axle hung version

Front Brakes: disc

Rotor Dia Width: 11.75"x1"

Caliper-Pistons: Currently single pot stock. I've got the brackets for Wilwoods, just need to swap em over.

Cooling Ducts: Yes, front and rear

Rear Brakes : finned drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x2.5

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1 1/32 70/30 split, manual


Chassis: mostly stock

Subframe Connectors: Yes, home built, 2x3 and 2x2 tapered to run under the floor board, Xed from corner to corner. Still under construction. Exhaust pass throughs are a pain to figure out.

Torque Boxes: Yes

Roll bar, Roll Cage: no

Aftermarket stiffeners: Home fabbed versions of the XV front end stiffening system being fabbed in.

Comments: Firm Feel box, fast ratio arms, bump steer spacers being used. Working on adapting some chevy tubular upper A arms to give me more caster/camber/ackerman/anti-dive options.



1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):

Still under construction with zero road time. Here it is in its last on road appearance. Its much uglier now.


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#1156382 - 01/15/12 10:54 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
Frankenduster Offline
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Registered: 02/15/10
Posts: 14873
Loc: Granite Bay CA
My car:
1970 Charger R/T clone
3850 lbs plus driver
Street/Show/Spirited driving
440 based 493 stroker, Edelbrock heads, MP cam, TTI headers, Demon 850 carb. HP unknown
727 with 3000 stall converter, soon to have Gear Vendors Overdrive unit
8 3/4" axle, narrowed 1 1/2" 4.10 power Lok Sure Grip
Wheels and tires: Intro wheels, 18x9 with 4 3/4 BS, Nitto 555 275-40-18 Front, 18x10 with 4 3/4" BS, 295-45-18 Rear.
Rebuilt front suspension, Poly bushings except LCA (OEM rubber replacements) Stock K member. Addco 1 1/8" front sway bar. 1" Torsion bars. KYB Gas-a-just shocks. Boxed LCAs. Fast Ratio Idler and Pitman arms. 12" Cordoba disc brakes with slider calipers. Semi Metallic pads.
Stock floorpans without frame connectors or torque boxes.
MP HD leaf springs with HD shackles, poly bushings. Addco 7/8" sway bar. KYB gas-a-just shocks. Dr Diff disc kit using 10.7" rotors and Mustang calipers. MP sealed, non adjustable axle bearings.

When I bought the car, the running gear, suspension and steering were all in totally stock condition. After I painted it, I did nearly all of the upgrades at the same time. The rear discs look great but I didn't notice much of a braking improvement over the 10" drums. Maybe I would have if I hammered the car more! The fast ratio arms were a huge difference. It went from 3 1/2 turns to just over 2 1/2 lock to lock. Effort increased. The steering simply reacted faster.


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#1156383 - 01/18/12 07:19 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: autoxcuda]
70Cuda383 Offline


Registered: 10/07/03
Posts: 21334
Loc: Marysville, O-H-I-O
Quote:

Quote:


RE Type: Eaton tru-trac





Can/Have you experianced any noticable differences between a Tru-Trac (Torsen type) diff than a Clutch or Cone type?




yes. i LOVE the tru--trac diffs. I had one in my big block truck. it's now in a buddy's Dakota.

When there is no load on the tires, they act like an open diff. infact, if you jack the rear up in the air, the wheels will rotate oposite of each other! you can jack up just one wheel, leaving the other on the ground, and the wheel in the air will turn.

when both tires have traction it locks them up tight and evenly.

what does this mean while driving?

one wheel in the mud on the side of the road, and one on the pavement? it's going to act like an open and might leave you stuck.

wet roads, while going around a corner, if your tires are slippery, the unit acts like an open, and prevents you from getting "tail happy" when you don't want to.

dry pavement, it will lock up and send power to each wheel evenly.

honestly it's the best of both worlds.

and if you find yourself where you WANT to "lock it up" when it won't, like if you're one wheel off the road stuck in mud or something, then drag the brakes with your left foot, it creates enough torque resistance to lock up the diff, and get you un-stuck.
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#1156384 - 01/19/12 06:54 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
540challenger Offline
master

Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 2770
Loc: NY usa
71 Challenger

Engine: 408 with slightly work Magnum heads

Trans: 727 witha 9 1/2 3000 stall

Front Suspension: Alterkation
Rear Suspension: Mopar SS springs

Rear: 8 3/4 axle nodular iron case,3.55 gears, Tru trac diff, Yukon axles

Misc:
Baffled Stainless steal gas tank
XV sub-frame and rad support
T/A hood
Alum Rad.
Future upgrades

2012 plans

Spring

Moser Fab 8 3/4 B-body version with Doc. diff spring relocation kit and Disc brakes.

17" Rims

2012-13 6.4L hemi swap

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#1156385 - 01/26/12 07:00 PM 69 Valiant [Re: jcc]
lakeeffect Offline
member

Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 8
Loc: Erie PA
January 26 2012

Plymouth Valiant

1969

1/2 tank, stockish/318/8-3/4 3280

Application: FUN, Auto-x, Track days.

Engine: Blew the 318.--340,LD340,ST-21 Racer Brown Cam in assembly.

Estimate HP: I am hoping for 380-400

Trans: Liberty's Gear TKO-600rr NO kit.

Speeds:5


RE Ratio:3.91

RE Type: Sure Grip Clutch



Tire Size Brand Model: Kumho Ecsta 225-60-15

Rim Brand Model: BASSETT-Inertia Advantage

Rim Width:8

TB Dia: 1.00

Shocks: Hotchkis/Bilstien

Front Sway bar : Hellwig

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Weird AFCO Circle track Springs but not off set for Left only. Had to buy 2 sets of poly bushings to work. one SS and one Reg

Rear Sway bar: HELLWIG

Front Brakes: AR Engineering Viper/11.75/dimpled/slotted A++

Caliper-Pistons: 4

Cooling Ducts: Soon

Rear Brakes: DOC DIFF 11.75/dimpled/slotted A++

Caliper- Pistons : 1

Parking Brake:Stock system but used a Hurst T handle for the pull Lever

Dual Circuit Dia MC: Doc Diff 15/16 Mopar Alum

Chassis:Stockish? Lots of Gussets, Seem Stitching.

Subframe Connectors:Yep Though Floor No bolt on crap

Aftermarket stiffeners: BADDART on FABO has some real cool products I want to purchase.

[image]http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=21760&d=1319058904[/image]


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#1156386 - 01/27/12 05:33 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
AlexP Offline


Registered: 09/08/03
Posts: 10557
Loc: Houston, Tx
Entry/Update Date: 1/27/2012

Model: Roadrunner

Year: 1968

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver 3600lb Est.

Application: Show, Daily Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track, Race. Everything except for show

Engine Package briefly: 440, then a 383 and now a 6.1 based Hemi (Building currently)

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP

Trans: 23-Spline 833

Gears: 4

RE Ratio: 3.54

RE Type: SG Clutch type


Front Tire Size Brand Model: Yokohama Avid S/T 255/60/15

Front Rim width: 7"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 275/60/15

Rear Rim Width: 7"


TB Dia: 1.22


Front Shocks: Koni Red

Front Sway bar Dia: 7/8" Factory


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Factory with 2" drop Blocks.

Shocks: Koni Red

Rear Sway bar Dia: N/A

Front Brakes: Factory Police with Firm Feel Carbon Metallic Pads

Rotor Dia Width: 11.75" Raybestos

Caliper-Pistons: Pin single pistons

Cooling Ducts: n/a

Rear Brakes: HP Drums stock shoes

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x3"


Parking Brake: Factory

Dual Circuit Dia MC: MP 15/16 E-berg Alum with AR Adapter Plate


Chassis: Firm Feel Stage 4 super duper top secret box, Firm Feel Greasable LCA pins, Poly LCA bushings, CAP UCA's. Poly Strut Rod bushings, AR LCA Braces, MP Steering Coupler Rebuild Kit, AR Tow Eyes

Subframe Connectors: MP Bolt in (welded)

Torque Boxes: n/a

Roll bar, Roll Cage: n/a

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments: Very happy with the over all combo. A lot has come to market since 08 though.



1. Best above improvement: Firm Feel Box

2. Least effective above improvement: WHeels and tires. The sizing is all wrong. Tires are betty than what I'm used to though.

3. Next improvement: Hotchkis Sway Bars and new rear leaf springs

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 6. would be an 8 if I had 17" wheels and tires.


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#1156387 - 01/31/12 07:41 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Frankenduster]
abodyjoe Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 10734
Loc: Berlin, N.J.
Model: dart

Year: 1971

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver never weighed it

Application: Show, Daily Driver, Drag, Autocross, Track, Race family cruiser

Engine Package briefly: 60,000 mile stock 1974 360

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP not much



Trans: 904

Speeds:3



RE Ratio: open 2,94



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 225-50-17 nitto

Front Rim width: 17x8 5.72 backspace


Rear tire Size Brand Model: 275/50-17 nitto

Rear Rim Width: 17x8 5.72 backspace



Aftermarket Front End brand: RMS Alter-K-Tion

Coil Rate: 500

Front Shocks: QA1

Front Sway bar Dia: forget


Rear Suspension : RMS Street Lynx

Shocks: QA1

Coil Rate: Variable Rate 175/350



Front Brakes: wilwood

Rotor Dia Width: 11"

Caliper-Pistons: 4



Rear Brakes: 11"x2" drum

Parking Brake: stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: wilwood



Subframe Connectors: home made welded in



Best above improvement: the power rack and frame connectors


Next improvement OD trans or efi

Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): better then i can drive it.





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#1156388 - 02/02/12 01:51 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
jcc Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 16782
Loc: Trumussia
Entry/Update Date: 2/1/12

Model: Polara 500 B body dart

Year: 1962

Weight: 3400 Dry

Application: Daily Driver

Engine Package briefly: 273, Mild Cam, Alum Hi Rise, 650 Avenger, MSD Digital All in 1 Dist, TTI's, Valley pan, Windage tray

Estimate HP: 220 FW

Trans: Passon Alum Not OD

Speeds: 4

Gears:

RE Ratio: 3.23

RE Type: Sure Grip Mopar Alum



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/60/14 BFG

Front Rim width: 8

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 245/60/14 BFG

Rear Rim Width: 8



Aftermarket Front End brand:

TB Dia: 1.02

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: QA1 1 way Adj

Front Sway bar Dia:


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: 225/lb Fiberglass

Shocks: QA1 1 Way Adj Inverted

Rear Sway bar Dia:

Front Brakes: Wilwood

Rotor Dia Width:10.5"x.81"

Caliper-Pistons: 4

Cooling Ducts: Soon

Rear Brakes: drums Tapered axle Ugh

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x2

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: OEM

Dual Circuit Dia MC: Dual Mopar Alum


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: 2x2x.083 welded

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage:

Aftermarket stiffeners: Upper Tower bracing coming

Comments:

Just wanted a fun car to drive, previous owner in 2nd "gas crisis" 1980? yanked 361 V8/727, and installed the 273/4 speed, I just took it a step further and like the results so far



1. Best above improvement: "1.02" TB and Firm Feel Box #2, (#3 would be next time)

2. Least effective above improvement; Subframes

3. Next improvement, Discrete front end aero tricks, rear discs, front discs to 1.25" width

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): For what it is, 8.2


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#1156389 - 02/11/12 01:38 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
dart4forte Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 01/31/03
Posts: 13832
Loc: Mesa, Arizona
Entry/Update Date:

Model: Road Runner

Year: 1971

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver TBD

Application: Show, Driver,

Engine Package briefly: .030 stroked 400 451 ci, Demon Six Shooter

Estimate HP: 375

Trans: 833

Speeds:

Gears: Dana 60


RE Ratio: 3.55


RE Type: Sure Grip,

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/60/15

Front Rim width: 15x7

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 275/60/15

Rear Rim Width: 15X8.5


Aftermarket Front End brand: Firm Feel - sway bars, tubular Upper control Arm, boxed lower contril arm, Adjustable strut rods

TB Dia: Stock Hemi

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Bilstien

Front Sway bar Dia: Firm Feel 1.75


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP HD

Shocks: Bilstien

Rear Sway bar Dia: Firm Feel 3/4

Front Brakes: Stock Disk

Rotor Dia Width: stock

Caliper-Pistons: Stock

Cooling Ducts: None

Rear Brakes: Stock Drum 11"

Drum Size Dia Width: Stock

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: Yes

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: Yes

Torque Boxes: No

Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: Homemade

Comments: Tubular Upper A Arm, Boxed Lower Contol; Arm



1. Best above improvement: Firm Feel suspension system

2. Least effective above: improvement Stock Brakes

3. Next improvement: Firm Feel Adjustable Idler Arm, Firm Feel Pitman Arm support bearing, Brake upgrade to aftermarket front and rear disks

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#1156390 - 05/04/12 07:12 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
brads70 Offline
super stock

Registered: 01/10/09
Posts: 810
Loc: Ontario,Canada
Entry/Update Date: May 2012

Model: Dodge Challenger

Year: 1970

Weight: 3857 with me in it ( last weighed with cast iron heads and steel leaf springs)

Application: Show, Daily Driver,
Engine Package briefly: 451" stroker, Mopar aluminum stage 6 heads, roller hyd cam

Estimate HP: 540 at the engine

Trans: 4L65E

Speeds:

Gears: 4 speed auto

RE Ratio:3:54

RE Type: Eaton true trac



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Firestone Indy 500's 235/60/15

Front Rim width: 7"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Firestone Indy 500's 255/60/15

Rear Rim Width: 8"



Aftermarket Front End brand:

TB Dia: 1"

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Bilstein

Front Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis 1 1/4" tubular


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hyperco composite 175lb rate

Shocks: Bilstein

Rear Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis tubular 13/16"

Front Brakes: Viper 1st gen ( brembo)

Rotor Dia Width: 1 1/4 1973 C-Body

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes: Dr Diff 10.4 disc kit?

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake:

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: yes

Torque Boxes: yes

Roll bar, Roll Cage: no

Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments: 1973 C-Body spindles and rotors, A-Body LCA's, Hotchkis upper control arms. Howe quick bump kit for dialing in the bump steer, firm feel stage 3 power steering box, firm feel fast ratio arms. B-Body center link, Full rewelded k-frame with gusseted steering box mounts





1. Best above improvement: Getting rid of most of the bumpsteer

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement 10" rear rims and 295/50/15 tires, bigger torsion bars

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo):7


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#1156391 - 09/09/12 05:23 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
jvike Offline
member

Registered: 10/03/05
Posts: 43
Loc: Mosjøen, Norway
Entry Date: 09.09.12

Model: Plymouth Barracuda

Year: 1970

Weight: 3637 lbs 3/4 fuel w/driver

Application: Mostly street, and some trackdays @ roadrace track

Engine Package briefly: 1972 340, Low comp, small valves. RPM-AirGap, Holley 650DP

Estimate HP: 214 RWHP on Dynolicious app

Trans: TCI Streetfighter 727 Torqueflight

Speeds: 3 speed

Gears: Standard 727

RE Ratio: 3.23:1

RE Type: Sure Grip.



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35-18 Toyo Proxis R888

Front Rim width: 9.5"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 335/30-18 Toyo Proxis R888 (Stock wheelwells!)

Rear Rim Width: 12"



Aftermarket Front End brand: XV Motorsports Level II

Coil Rate: 350 lb/in

Front Shocks: XV Motorsports Monotube

Front Sway bar Dia: 1-1/4"


Rear Suspension: XV Motorsports Level II 3-Link

Shocks: XV Motorsports Monotube

Rear Sway bar Dia: 1"

Front Brakes: XV Motorsports/Stop Tech

Rotor Dia Width: 14", 1.25"

Caliper-Pistons: 6 Piston

Rear Brakes: XV Motorsports/Stop Tech

Rotor Dia: 13"

Rotor width: 1.25"

Caliper- Pistons : 2 Piston

Parking Brake: Wilwood



Chassis: Unibody

Subframe Connectors: XV Motorsports

Torque Boxes: No

Roll bar, Roll Cage: No

Aftermarket stiffeners: XV Motorports Chassis stiffening kit

Comments: Hydraboost



1. Best above improvement: Stiffening kit, the fundation for any suspension

2. Least effective above improvement Parking brake

3. Next improvement More power, Manuel trans, bether seats

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9, tuning and proper seats will get it there





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#1156392 - 09/12/12 07:31 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jvike]
Uhcoog1 Offline
super stock

Registered: 05/12/05
Posts: 718
Loc: Houston Tx
I love your ride, jvike!!! That's wicked!
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#1156393 - 09/12/12 09:34 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jvike]
Mopar Mitch Offline
super stock

Registered: 01/17/10
Posts: 988
Loc: NW Chicago suburban area
Jvike -- You've got got a really coolll Cuda. Where do you run it?
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#1156394 - 09/12/12 01:27 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: Mopar Mitch]
72Swinger Offline
master

Registered: 02/23/11
Posts: 4288
Loc: Nebraska
He is the Norwegian Cuda guy, with a really righteous Cuda!
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#1156395 - 09/26/12 04:34 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: 72Swinger]
jvike Offline
member

Registered: 10/03/05
Posts: 43
Loc: Mosjøen, Norway
Thanks guys! Yeah I live in the northern part of Norway, the local track is called Arctic Circle Raceway, so the name tells the location. Here are some action pictures for ya!

At speed


Pitlane exit.

Car handles beautifully, now on to the next evolution of the car, more power and three pedals.

Joakim
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#1156396 - 12/29/12 01:28 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: jcc]
MuuMuu101 Offline
I got lucky at Woodward!

Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 12155
Loc: Covina, Ca
I figure I'll give this a go for now since I plan on upgrading my suspension little by little over the next year or so. It will help me record my changes.

Entry/Update Date: 12/29/12

Model: Dodge Dart

Year: 1968

Weight: ~2800lbs Dry, ~3050lbs Wet w/driver

Application: Driver

Engine Package briefly: Stock 273.

Estimate HP: 150 RWHP

Trans: Stock 904

Speed: I've gotten it to 100 mph before.

Gears: stock gears

RE Ratio: 2.94

RE Type: Open 7-1/4



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 205/75/14 Enduro 75

Front Rim width: 5"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 205/75/14 Firestone FR380

Rear Rim Width: 5"



Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock

Coil Rate: .86" T-bars (I believe)...

Front Shocks: Bilstein RCD

Front Sway bar Dia: N/A


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Stock

Shocks: Bilstein RCD

Rear Sway bar Dia: N/A

Front Brakes: Stock KH

Rotor Dia Width: 11"

Caliper-Pistons: 2?

Cooling Ducts: None

Rear Brakes : Drums

Drum Size Dia Width: 10"x1.5"

Rotor Dia: N/A

Rotor width :[/b} N/A

[b} Caliper- Pistons : N/A

Parking Brake: Doesn't work

Dual Circuit Dia MC: NAPA 1.03" bore for a 1980 Aspen (should be installed soon)


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: N/A

Torque Boxes: Stock

Roll bar, Roll Cage: N/A

Aftermarket stiffeners: N/A

Comments:
This is just my starting point. Planning on completely upgrading the suspension this year


1. Best above improvement: Bilstein

2. Least effective above improvement: Taller tires

3. Next improvement: Probably going to go with a suspension rebuild after I get the car drivable, followed by hollow sway bar/s, subframe connectors, 1.0" or greater T-Bars, upgraded Leaf Springs, FF Stage III box, etc.

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 4-5 (before the shocks)
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#1156397 - 03/03/13 05:33 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: MuuMuu101]
HUSTLESTUFF Offline
pro stock

Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 1327
Loc: NORTHERN CA
Model: Charger

Year: 1969

Weight: have not weighed, prob 4200 w/ me

Application: Track

Engine Package briefly: 512 440 source 400 block, BRC girdle, .590 cam 274@50, MCH CNC’d edlebrock, Homemade Aluminum Oil pan baffled and gated

Estimate HP: 650

Trans: 18 spline A833 Gearvendor OD

Speeds:4 plus GV

Gears: Stock

RE Ratio: 4.10

RE Type: Dana 60 stock B-body trac-loc



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Nitto NT05 275/40/18

Front Rim width: 18 x 9 4.5 backspace

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Nitto NT 05 295/45/18

Rear Rim Width: 18 x 10 5.0 backspace



Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis UCA, Strut Rods, Firm Feel stage 3 box, boxed LCA, Stiffened K-Member, Firm feel quick ratio pitman and idler arms

TB Dia: 1.125 Unknown Brand

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Hotchkis Bilstein

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.375 Hotchkis


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Unknown (bought third hand) Stiff!!!

Shocks: Hotchkis Bilstein

Rear Sway bar Dia: None

Front Brakes: Wilwood Hubs, Coleman 14” rotor,

Rotor Dia Width: 14” 1.25

Caliper-Pistons: US Brake(AFCO now)F88i, Homemade caliper bracket on stock drum spindle

Cooling Ducts: none

Rear Brakes: Wilwood

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:12.19

Rotor width:.81

Caliper- Pistons : US Brake(AFCO now)F33i

Parking Brake: integral wilwood

Dual Circuit Dia MC: Trck MC Think it’s the 1”


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: Home made

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage:

Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator support brace

Comments:



1. Best above improvement: Big Bars

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10
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#1156398 - 03/05/13 02:46 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: HUSTLESTUFF]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
mopar

Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 532
Loc: Sac, CA, USA
Entry/Update Date: 3/5/13

Model: Barracuda

Year: 70

Weight: Guessing 3800ish w/driver

Application: Makes me happy driving it doing whatever

Engine Package briefly: 73 440, stock short block, 915 heads, edelbrock FI, Milodon road race oil pan

Estimate HP: 375ish RWHP on drag strip dyno calcs

Trans: 518 A/T, lockup converter

Speeds: 4

Gears: .69 overdrive

RE Ratio: 3.91:1

RE Type: 8 3/4, Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/45R17 BFG T/A

Front Rim width: 17x8

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 305/45R17 BFG T/A

Rear Rim Width: 17x9.5



Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock configuration, Firm Feel upper control arms, FF adjustable strut rods, boxed lower arms, Flaming River manual steering box, reinforced K member
4 degrees positive caster, .5 degrees negative camber, .025" toe in

TB Dia: 1.06

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: Hellwig tubular 1.250


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP Oval Track, offset hangers

Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Rear Sway bar Dia: None

Front Brakes: Stock, Firm Feel carbon pads

Rotor Dia Width: 10.87

Caliper-Pistons: Stock slider, single piston

Cooling Ducts:None

Rear Brakes: stock drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x2

Rotor Dia: n/a

Rotor width: n/a

Caliper- Pistons : n/a

Parking Brake: stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1-1/16


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: XV

Torque Boxes: none

Roll bar, Roll Cage: none

Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator brace, XV shock tower reinforcement

Comments: Sure!



1. Best above improvement: Shocks

2. Least effective above improvement: Old tires

3. Next improvement: tires, torque boxes, brakes, maybe wheels

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 6-7 on current tires (they're 15 years old and hard as rocks)


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#1156399 - 04/26/13 01:06 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: ntstlgl1970]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
mopar

Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 532
Loc: Sac, CA, USA
Entry/Update Date: 4/25/13 - changed a couple of things

Model: Barracuda

Year: 70

Weight: Guessing 3800ish w/driver

Application: Makes me happy driving it doing whatever

Engine Package briefly: 73 440, stock short block, 915 heads, edelbrock FI, Milodon road race oil pan sectioned to clear center link at full lock w/stock length idler and pitman arms

Estimate HP: 375ish RWHP on drag strip dyno calcs

Trans: 518 A/T, lockup converter

Speeds: 4

Gears: .69 overdrive

RE Ratio: 3.91:1

RE Type: 8 3/4, Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 265/35R18 Nitto Invo

Front Rim width: 18x9.5

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/35R18 Nitto Invo

Rear Rim Width: 18x10



Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock configuration, Firm Feel upper control arms, FF adjustable strut rods, boxed lower arms, Flaming River manual steering box, reinforced K member
4 degrees positive caster, .5 degrees negative camber, .025" toe in

TB Dia: 1.06

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: Hellwig tubular 1.250


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP Oval Track, offset hangers

Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Rear Sway bar Dia: None

Front Brakes: Stock, Firm Feel carbon pads

Rotor Dia Width: 10.87

Caliper-Pistons: Stock slider, single piston

Cooling Ducts:None

Rear Brakes: stock drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x2

Rotor Dia: n/a

Rotor width: n/a

Caliper- Pistons : n/a

Parking Brake: stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1-1/32


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: XV

Torque Boxes: US Car Tool

Roll bar, Roll Cage: none

Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator brace, XV shock tower reinforcement, US car tool torque boxes F+R

Comments: Sure!



1. Best above improvement: New tires, Shocks

2. Least effective above improvement: Old tires

3. Next improvement: brakes

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): hope to find out after I get the tires mounted next week

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#1156400 - 08/28/13 12:21 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: ntstlgl1970]
Rapom65 Offline
member

Registered: 08/02/13
Posts: 86
Loc: Battle Ground, Washington
Entry/Update Date: #1, 27 AUG 2013
Model: Gold Duster, under construction hodgepodge of shelf parts, junkyard scrounging and drag racing left overs
Year: 1974
Application: Hobby, Driver, Track days, Autocross
Engine: 365, ported Eddy RPM heads, RPM Airgap, 10.25:1
Estimate HP: 450ish, chassis dyno'd @ 406 hp & 421 tq before Eddy heads/Crane Gold rockers & compression bump
Trans: '75 iron case 4sp OD, Lakewood bell housing, billet flywheel, Centerforce "Dual Friction" clutch, Home built Hyd clutch conversion, Hurst "Pro Billet" shifter, E body Pistol grip, auto to 4sp hump conversion
Gears: stock
RA Ratio: Narrowed 8 3/4, 742, 3.55 sure grip, shortend & resplined C body axles, current Green bearings going back to Timken tapered rollers

Front Tire Size Brand Model: not purchased yet ?x15
Front Rim width: 15x7 4.0"BS
Rear tire Size Brand Model: MT "I" block N50 (give me a break they're all I have and I have 2 sets to wear out!)
Rear Rim Width: 15x10

Front TB Dia: .890s for now but going bigger
Front End brand: stock K fully welded & gusseted
Front Shocks: Hotchkis Fox - to be purchased
Front Sway bar Dia: Helwig 1.125 hollow
Urethane bushing where? Rear suspension, f/r shocks, front swaybar
UCA: OEM w/ Moog K7103 offset bushings
TR: OEM 9/16" to be replaced by 11/16"
Strut Rods: Dillinger chromemoly adjustable
LCA Reinforcement? Full length plate
Caster/Camber/Toe: TBD per board recommendations

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: NA
Aftermarket Suspension: Home built Triangulated 4 Link, 1.5" tubes, mini tub with lower 4 link mounts "in frame"
Shocks: Strange single adjustable w/ current QA1 150# springs to be matched with eventual TB selection
Adj Setting: Compression
Rear Sway bar Dia: NA

Front Brakes: OEM single piston B body caliper, braided DOT hoses
Brand Pad: Wagner 1CM7017 severe duty carbon metalic
Rotor Dia Width: Reybestos 11.75 x 1.0
Caliper Piston: 2.75"
Cooling Ducts: yes

Rear Brakes: OEM '85 New Yorker finned drum
Drum Size Dia Width: 10 x 2.5

Rotor Dia Width: not yet
Caliper: dito above
Parking Brake: yes, OEM w/ modifications

MC: OEM, Power disk off '85 New Yorker w/ 2 to 4 bolt adapter
Booster: rebuilt OEM '74 A body
Dual Circuit Dia: 1 1/32"
Proportioning Valve: OEM '74 disk w/ aftermarket bias adjuster plumbed in rear line
Brake Fluid: None selected yet, high wet boiling point due to NW climate

Steering: Firm Feel Stage 3, Saginaw pump, cooler plumbed into return line, floor shift power steering column conversion

Chassis OEM
Subframe Connectors: Home built 2x3" .120 wall welded & tied into rockers
Torque Boxes: no
Roll bar, Roll Cage: none at this time, designing seat harness bar behind front buckets, rear seat delete option
Aftermarket stiffeners: Homemade 2x3 .120 wall lower radiator cross bar, lowered & widened for 28" aluminum radiator, OEM firewall to fender struts tied into homemade shock tower brace

Comments: Hope I didn't ruffle feathers posting a car in progress

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement: definitely tires and rims!

3. Next improvement Likely: definitely tires and rims!, uprated TB's w/ matching rear coil springs, ultimately fuel injection & Jamie P's 5 speed if unhappy with 4sp OD

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10 sitting on jack stands VROOM - VROOM!

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10: 0 right now


Edited by Rapom65 (09/08/13 12:39 PM)

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#1156401 - 09/03/13 04:53 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Rapom65]
Consulier Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 253
Loc: USA
Entry/Update Date: 09/03/2013

Model: Plymouth Satellite Sedan

Year: 1970

Weight: about 3,850

Application: Autocross, Track Day

Engine Package briefly: Aluminum head 451, 11:1 compression, hydraulic cam, 750 cfm carb, 1 3/4" Hedman headers with 3" Flowmaster exhaust

Estimate HP: 525 FW

Trans: Keisler RS 600

Speeds: 5

Flywheel: RAM Aluminum

Clutch: RAM Diaphragm

Gears: 2.80, 1.99, 1.33, 1.0, 0.67

RE Ratio: 3.73:1

RE Type: 8 3/4, 489 Case, True Trac



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35/18 Falken RT-615k

Front Rim width: 10" Weld RTS

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/40/18 Falken RT-615k

Rear Rim Width: 10" Weld RTS



Aftermarket Front End brand: Chrysler

TB Dia: 1.06

Front Shocks: Hotchkis by Fox

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.25"

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Shocks: Hotchkis by Fox

Rear Sway bar Dia: 1.0" Adjustable


Front Brakes: AR Engineering / Dr Diff Viper Caliper Conversion with Hawk HT-10 pads

Rotor Dia Width: 11.75" x 1.0" iron Cordoba rotors

Caliper-Pistons: First Generation Viper Calipers

Cooling Ducts: N/A


Rear Brakes: Dr Diff Cobra Conversion with Hawk Blue pads

Rotor Dia: 12"

Rotor width: 0.75"

Caliper- Pistons : Single Piston Cobra Caliper

Parking Brake: N/A

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1.0"


Chassis: Stock

K-Member: Stock with minor reinforcements on strut rod attachment points

Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis

Torque Boxes: N/A

Roll bar, Roll Cage: N/A

Aftermarket stiffeners: N/A


Steering: Firm Feel Stage 2

Steering Support: Firm Feel Sector Support Kit

Steering Quickener: Firm Feel large sector pinion and idler arm

Bumpsteer Modifications: Hotchkis adjustable steering rod kit

Strut Rods: Hotchkis adjustable

Upper Control Arms: Hotchkis tubular

Lower Control Arms: Stock unboxed


Alignment: -2.0 Camber, 1/16" Toe-In, 6 degrees of Caster


Comments:

The car is a 100% bolt on with zero fabrication built on my garage floor with hand tools. There is nothing special and everything is readily available to duplicate the entire package.

The only sorting that has ever been done to the car is the breather system and moved to a 295 rear tire. Suspension has been unchanged since the car was built and only the rear swaybar has been adjusted.


1. Best above improvement: 5 speed and suspension

2. Least effective above improvement: New door panels

3. Next improvement: 295 front tire

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9.5 - just too heavy still











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#1156402 - 12/09/13 01:38 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Consulier]
68KillerBee Offline


Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 6417
Loc: Missouri
So, I guess we can't go back and edit our posts for some reason??
Since my post I had the new, massive front sway bar(Hotchkis) installed, put slightly bigger wheels/tires on the front and have bilsteins from Hotchkis all around.
Can definitely feel the improvement, but next will be some sub-frame connectors. Unfortunately, I'm building a stroker motor for the bee and the connectors will be the first thing added after I get the driveline squared away.
The guys I had put the front sway bar in had some difficulty and I'll post some pics next time I go out in the shed as to what they had to do to make it fit.
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#1156403 - 02/01/14 12:30 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Rapom65]
Rapom65 Offline
member

Registered: 08/02/13
Posts: 86
Loc: Battle Ground, Washington
Quote:

Entry/Update Date: #2 / 1 Feb 2014

Model: Gold Duster, hodgepodge of shelf parts, junkyard scrounging and drag racing left overs

Year: 1974

Application: Hobby, Driver, Track days, Autocross

Engine: 365 cu in, ported Eddy RPM heads/airgap, 10.25:1, Holley 750 , TTI headers

Estimate HP: 450ish, chassis dyno'd @ 406 hp/421 tq before Eddy heads/Crane Gold rockers/compression bump

Trans: '75 iron case 4sp OD, Lakewood bell, billet flywheel, Centerforce "Dual Friction" clutch, Hyd clutch conversion, Hurst "Pro Billet" shifter, E body Pistol grip, 4sp hump conversion

Gears: stock

RA Ratio: Narrowed 8 3/4, 742, 3.55 sure grip, C body axles, 3" studs, current Green bearings going back to Timken tapered rollers

Front Tire Size Brand Model: not purchased yet ?x15

Front Rim width: 15x7 4"BS

Rear tire Size Brand Model: MT "I" block N50 (give me a break they're all I have plus I have 2 new sets to wear out!)

Rear Rim Width: 15x10 3 5/16" BS

Front TB Dia: .890s for now but 1.06 planned

Front End brand: stock K welded & gusseted

Front Shocks: Hotchkis Fox non-adj

Front Sway bar Dia: Helwig 1.125 hollow

Urethane bushing where? Rear suspension, f/r shocks, front sway bar

UCA: OEM, Moog K7103 offset bushings

TR: OEM 9/16", Proform alum adj

Strut Rods: Dillinger chromemoly adj

LCA Reinforcement? Full length plate

Caster/Camber/Toe: TBD per board recommendations

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: NA

Aftermarket Suspension: Home built Triangulated 4 Link, 1.5" tubes, mini tub, lower 4 link mounts "in frame"

Shocks: Strange single adj, QA1 150# springs to be matched with TB upgrade

Adj Setting: Compression

Rear Sway bar Dia: NA

Front Brakes: '76 single piston, braided DOT hoses

Brand Pad: Wagner 1CM7017 severe duty carbon metalic

Rotor Dia Width: Reybestos 11.75 x 1.0

Caliper Piston: 2.75"

Cooling Ducts: yes

Rear Brakes: '85 New Yorker finned drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 10 x 2.5

Rotor Dia Width: NA

Caliper: dito above

Parking Brake: OEM w/ modifications

MC: '85 New Yorker power disk, 4 bolt adapter

Dual Circuit Dia: 1 1/32"

Booster: rebuilt OEM '74 A body disk

Proportioning Valve: OEM '74 A body disk, bias adjuster plumbed in rear line

Brake Fluid: None selected yet, high wet boiling point due to NW climate

Steering: Firm Feel Stage 3, Saginaw pump, cooler in return line, floor shift power steering column conversion

Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: 2 x 3 x .120 wall welded & tied into rockers

Torque Boxes: no

Roll bar, Roll Cage: none at this time, designing harness bar behind front buckets, rear seat deleted w/ firewall

Aftermarket stiffeners: 2 x 3 x .120 wall lower radiator support bar, lowered & widened for 28" aluminum radiator, OEM fender support struts tied into engine compartment cross brace

Comments: Hope I didn't ruffle feathers posting a car in progress

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement:

3. Next improvement Likely: definitely tires and rims!, uprated TB's w/ matching rear coil springs, ultimately "FAST" fuel injection & Jamie P's 5 speed if unhappy with 4sp OD

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10 sitting on jack stands VROOM - VROOM!

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10: 0 right now



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#1156404 - 02/02/14 06:21 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
BigBlockMopar Offline
master

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 3150
Loc: The Netherlands
Entry/Update Date: - Feb 2, 2014

Model: - 1973 Dodge Dart Swinger.
Weight: - ca. 1550kg / 3400+ lbs less driver.
Application: Daily Driver


ENGINE / TRANS / REAR AXLE
Engine Package briefly: - 2bbl 318ci Propane-fueled
Estimate HP: - 145hp (dyno’d RWHP)
Trans: - A518 OD
RE Ratio/Type: - 3.91:1 SureGrip


WHEELS
Front/Rear Tires and Wheels: - 215/45/17 Michelin Tires on 7J Showwheels


FRONT SUSPENSION
Aftermarket Front End brand: - stock
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
TB Dia: - 1" JustSuspension torsionbars
Front Shocks: - KYB
Front Sway bar Dia: - Hellwig 1-1/8"

UCA upgrades / type / brand - stock
LCA upgrades / type / brand - stock

REAR SUSPENSION
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: - Stock with 2 extra leafs per side.
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
Shocks: - Monroe SensaTrack LoadAdjusters
Rear Sway bar Dia: - None


BRAKES
Front Brakes: - '73 Chrysler
Rotor Dia / Width: - 11.75" / 1.25"
Caliper-Pistons: - '73 Chrysler
Cooling Ducts:
Brake pad material / brand - HAWK HPS

Rear Brakes: - 10" drums
Parking Brake: - Stock
Brake pad/shoe material / brand - stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: - 1-1/32" DrDiff mastercylinder
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other -


STEERING
Power / Manual - Power
Box or Rack / type - Borgeson powersteering box
Steering pump - Saginaw
Pitman-/idler arm ratio - stock
Tie-rod diameter - stock


ALIGNMENT SPECS
Caster - 1.5 deg.
Camber - 2 deg.
Toe setting IN/OUT - 1/8” IN
Ride height change from stock, FRONT - 2" lower
Ride height change from stock, REAR - 1 to 2" lower


CHASSIS / FRAME
Chassis: - stock
Subframe Connectors: - homemade 2x3"
Torque Boxes: -
Roll bar, Roll Cage: -
Other / Aftermarket stiffeners: -


COMMENTS: - none


1. Best above improvement(s): - Hellwig swaybar
2. Least effective above improvement - paint
3. Next improvement - Torque boxes / Body stiffening (read: rust removal)
4a. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7
4b. Above car handles IMO compared to a similar car of same buildyear: 9


PICTURES











Edited by BigBlockMopar (02/02/14 01:36 PM)
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#1156405 - 02/03/14 01:41 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: BigBlockMopar]
72440CUDA Offline
super stock

Registered: 07/07/03
Posts: 883
Loc: RAF Mildenhall, England
Info on my hooptie:

Entry/Update Date: Baseline / 3 Feb 14

Model: 'Cuda

Year: 1972ish

Weight: ?

Application: Mix

Engine Package briefly: Get this...
Original running 50,000 mile 440 out of a 1969 Yorker I bought for $250, compression tested 180 psi (+/- 5 psi), never rebuilt.
Eddie RPM intake/cam, Crane roller rockers, stock heads have never been pulled off, Hooker Super Comp headers, remote valve breather catch can.
(this replaced the non #'s matching 318)

Estimate HP: 280 RWHP, 350 RWTQ via mobile chassis dyno

Trans: TCI 727 with pro-street manual valvebody, GV overdrive

RE Ratio: 3.55

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35-18 Nitto NT05

Front Rim width: Cruzin' Concepts FR500 18x9, w/ 1" spacer

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/35-18 Nitto NT05

Rear Rim Width: Cruzin' Concepts FR500 18x10, w/ 3/8" spacer


Front End: Stock rebuild with PST polygraphite bushngs

TB Dia: Stock small block

Front Shocks: KYB gas-a-just

Front Sway bar Dia: Stock 'Cuda, poly bushings


Rear Leaf Suspension: Stock small block leafs, Mopar Performance 3/4" offset A-body hangers, 3/4" offset rear shackels, relocated spring pearches

Rear Shocks: Auto Zone specials, which replaced the air shocks that were on it.

Rear Sway bar Dia: Stock 'Cuda, poly bushings

Front Brakes: Stock disks ('73?)

Caliper-Pistons: Stock single piston

Rear Brakes: Stock Drums

Dual Circuit Dia MC: Stock with vacuum booster


Chassis: Stock

Subframe Connectors: Not yet

Torque Boxes: Not yet

Roll bar, Roll Cage: Nope

Aftermarket stiffeners: Nope

Comments: On the To-Do list: Borgeson steering box, change from a Federal to a Saginaw pump, US Car Tool complete stiffener kit, seam weld, QA1 K-frame and lower control arms, Hotchkis TVS, Dr Diff 13" front Brembo brake kit and 11.7" rear Cobra brakes, engine refresh (500-512 stroker?) with Milodon road race pan, 440 source Stealth heads, rewire car with American Auto Wire Auto Update kit.



1. Best above improvement: Going from the 14" Enkei wheels to 15" Weld Draglites. Then after 12 years on the same BFG Radial TA tires, stepping up to the 18's and new rubber

2. Least effective above improvement: Everything that I have done so far has been at least some improvement.

3. Next improvement: Engine refresh, I'm getting some blow by

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): I get a lot of compliments for having stock suspension, so maybe a 5.


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#1156406 - 07/24/14 12:54 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
FuryBoy Offline
top fuel

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 1720
Loc: Eugene, OR
Entry/Update Date: 7/23/14

Model: Dodge

Year: Challenger

Weight: Wet w/driver 3600 lbs give or take

Application: this is a pleasure car, we DRIVE it. It see's drag duty a few times a year, I just want to handle better than stock

Engine Package: mild 360 for now, 340 stroker in the works

Estimate HP: 275 RWHP

Trans: 727 with 9.5 inch SMR converter

Speeds: 3

Gears:

RE Ratio: 3.23

RE Type: Sure Grip 8 3/4


Front Tire Size Brand Model: 235/60r15 BFG T/As

Front Rim width: 8

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 245/60r15

Rear Rim Width: 8


TB Dia: 1.06 FF

Coil Rate: 270 sounds right

Front Shocks: KYB

Front Sway bar Dia: stock

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: ESPO 6 leaf

Shocks: KYB

Rear Sway bar Dia: NA for now

Front Brakes: 11.75

Caliper-Pistons: single piston

Rear Brakes: '80s cop car

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x2.5 w/ fins

MC: manual LW from Dr Diff

Subframe Connectors: Auto Rust Tech

Torque Boxes: Resto Rick boxes, currently only the fronts

Comments: FF stage II power box, C body tie rods, boxed LCAs,
Moog offset bushings in the UCA, poly urethane bushings through out the rest.


1. Best above improvement: big T bars

3. Next improvement tires and wheels, have some 17 inch wheels, but not sure what tires to run. Also, adding a bigger front sway bar and a rear. Debating between FF and Hotchkis

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 5-6


Comments: I feel like the car may have some bump steer. I need to adjust the distribution on the brakes some, the rears want to lock up first. The steering box wants to return with more power from turning right than when turning left. I need to adjust that. Also, I feel that I may have some bump steer. No sure how to address that.

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#1818628 - 05/04/15 03:07 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
cjskotni Offline
pro stock

Registered: 07/13/07
Posts: 1433
Loc: North Carolina
Entry/Update Date: 5/4/15

Model: 1973 Charger SE "P-code"

Year: 1973

Weight: ~3800 lbs

Application: Restomod, daily driver

Engine Package briefly: 400>>499 stroker, 10.4:1 compression, very mild cam (.480" lift), Eddy RPMs, headers, MP hi rise single plane intake, Holley 8150 850CFM, roller rockers

Estimate HP: RWHP 420ish@5200RPM, RWTQ 470ish@4200RPM

Trans: 727 Auto, 2400 stall TC

Speeds: 3

Gears: 3

RE Ratio: 3.55

RE Type: Auburn limited slip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Cooper Cobra 245/60-15

Front Rim width: 8"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Cooper Cobra P275/60R15

Rear Rim Width: 8"



Aftermarket Front End brand: n/a

TB Dia: 1.06" FF

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Bilstien

Front Sway bar Dia: 1-1/8" PST


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Shocks: Bilstiens

Rear Sway bar Dia: 3/4" Adco

Front Brakes: OEM disc

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes: SSBC disc conversion

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: OEM with SSBC rear parking brake int w/ caliper

Dual Circuit Dia MC: MP aluminum 4-bolt master cylinder, GM 4wheel disc prop valve


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: n/a

Torque Boxes: n/a

Roll bar, Roll Cage: n/a

Aftermarket stiffeners: poly bushings/body mounts all around, FF stage 3 steering box

Comments:



1. Best above improvement: steering box, torsion bars

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7/10 used to be about a 3
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727 TF 8 3/4" 489 w/ 3.55 sure-grip 4 wheel disc

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#1820768 - 05/06/15 11:00 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
Frankenduster Offline
Moparts proctologist

Registered: 02/15/10
Posts: 14873
Loc: Granite Bay CA
Maybe a good time to [/i]update[i] my info:

[b][/b]

Model: 1970 Dodge Charger

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver Do not know.

Application: Show, Autocross, Track, Race

Engine Package briefly: 440 based 493. 10.0 CR. Edelbrock heads, ported. 2" TTI headers. 850 4 barrel Lunati solid lifter cam

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP No dyno test on current combo.

Trans: 727 with 11" converter with 2600 stall (Approx)


RE Ratio: 66-67 8 3/4" with 3.55 gears, '489 case with clutch type SG.

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275-40-18 Nitto 555

Front Rim width: 18x9"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295-40-18 Nitto 555

Rear Rim Width: 18x10"


TB Dia: 1.15 from BAC

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Bilstein RCD

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.25 solid. Modified GM truck unit from a mid 70s 1 ton 2wd.


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP HD with 6 leafs each side

Shocks: Bilstein RCD

Rear Sway bar Dia: 3/4" frame hung, OEM from 1983 Chrysler Imperial

Front Brakes: 1976 Cordoba 11.75 Unicast rotors, 2.75 single piston calipers from 88 Diplomat.

Rear Brakes: Dr Diff 11" disc kit using Toyota rotors, Mustang Cobra calipers.


Parking Brake: Yes

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 15/16" with power assist.


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: 3x3 box tubing welded into place

Torque Boxes: Custom made, front and rear

Roll bar, Roll Cage: None

Aftermarket stiffeners: Welded K member

Comments:



1. Best improvement: Front end rebuild! Stock suspension had 135,000 miles on it when I bought the car. Currently I have rubber LCA bushings, Moog rubber UCA bushings and urethane strut rod bushings.

2. Least effective improvement: Hard to determine.

3. Next improvement: Tires!

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7

For years I dealt with an oversteer condition. I liked how flat and level the car stayed in the turns but the twitchy feel made it hard to feel confident if I wanted to press it hard into a turn. I was running a 7/8" axle hung Addco rear sway bar. I tried rubber end link bushings, tire pressure changes and it still wasn't right. I recently switched to a smaller rear bar; a 3/4" frame hung version that came stock on an 83 Imperial. The car felt better but still wasn't neutral. Last week I installed bigger torsion bars, out went the 1.0 and in went the 1.15s. I also changed the shocks at the same time from KYBs to Bilsteins. The ride improved, the oversteer went away and the car is much more fun to drive. The car has enough power to kick the tail out if I feel I need to. I no longer have to coast or brake through the turns to avoid drifting!

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#2009519 - 02/10/16 06:44 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: 540challenger]
smracing Offline
member

Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 89
Loc: moscow mills mo






How did you like the suspension choice
Working on a 71cuda
Big block 727 3500stall 391s thinking about gear venders
did your super stock springs ride like a log wagon

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#2012732 - 02/15/16 07:09 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jvike]
smracing Offline
member

Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 89
Loc: moscow mills mo
Interesting build do you still have the car

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#2221433 - 12/26/16 09:40 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
Charger500 Offline
member

Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 103
Loc: Tennessee
Entry/Update Date:

Model: Charger

Year: 1970

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver

Application: Drag, Autocross

Engine Package briefly: 493 Stroker, hydraulic roller, ported Edelbrock Heads, Fitech EFI.

Estimate HP: FW 600HP

Trans: Tremec TKO 600 Extreme Upgrade

Speed: 5

Gears:

RE Ratio: 3.54

RE Type: Sure Grip, Dana 60



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Nitto 555 275/40/18

Front Rim width: 10 inch

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Nitto 555 295/45/18

Rear Rim Width: 10 inch



Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Fox Hotchkis

Front Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Shocks: Fox Hotchkis

Rear Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis 1 1/4

Front Brakes: Doctor Diff Viper Brembo Style Calipers

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts: NO

Rear Brakes :Doctor Diff 11.7 Cobra Kit

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :[/b}

[b} Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: Factory

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage: None

[b]Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments:



1. Best above improvement: All of the above

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Hydroboost

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 8

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Edited by Charger500 (12/26/16 09:57 PM)

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#2221442 - 12/26/16 09:56 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: Charger500]
amxautox Offline
Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot.

Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 95826
Loc: On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ...
Picture for the above post by Charger500, and yes it looks great;

https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/571/31784954971_d91a52d232_k.jpg

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"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing."

-Henry David Thoreau

Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths

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#2221446 - 12/26/16 10:05 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
MuuMuu101 Offline
I got lucky at Woodward!

Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 12155
Loc: Covina, Ca
Entry/Update Date: - December 26, 2016

Model: - 1968 Dodge Dart GT
Weight: - Somewhere around 3200-3400 lbs, maybe.
Application: Weekend Car/Autocrosser/Road Racer/etc.


ENGINE / TRANS / REAR AXLE
Engine Package briefly: - 408ci Engine built by IMM Engines
Estimate HP: - 523 hp and 522 ft-lbs of torque at the crank
Trans: - T56 Magnum (driving it and doing the math, it may not be the close ratio)
RE Ratio/Type: - 3.55:1 w/ Eaton TrueTrac


WHEELS
Front Wheels: - 18 x 9" Mickey Thompson SC-5 w/ +32 mm offset (and 5 mm spacer)
Front Tires : - 255/40/18 Michelin Super Sport
Rear Wheels: - 18 x 9" Mickey Thompson SC-5 w/ +22 mm offset (and 5 mm spacer)
Rear Tires : - 255/40/18 Michelin Super Sport


FRONT SUSPENSION
Aftermarket Front End brand: - Hotchkis TVS
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
TB Dia: - 1.06" Firm Feel T-bars
Front Shocks: - Fox Adjustable
Front Sway bar Dia: - Hotchkis 1-1/2"

UCA upgrades / type / brand - Hotchkis
LCA upgrades / type / brand - Reinforced plate

REAR SUSPENSION
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: - Hotchkis
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
Shocks: - Fox Adjustable
Rear Sway bar Dia: - Hotchkis 1" Hollow


BRAKES
Front Brakes: - Dr Diff Stage 4
Rotor Dia / Width: - 13" / 1.25"
Caliper-Pistons: - 1.5' / 1.625"
Cooling Ducts: Not yet, but soon
Brake pad material / brand - Whatever Cass gave me.

Rear Brakes: - Dr Diff 11.75" kit
Parking Brake: - Stock
Brake pad/shoe material / brand - Whatever Cass gave me.

Dual Circuit Dia MC: - 1-1/32" 1980 Dodge Aspen
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other - 4


STEERING
Power / Manual - Power
Box or Rack / type - Borgeson PS Box
Steering pump - KRC PS pump
Pitman-/idler arm ratio - stock
Tie-rod diameter - stock


ALIGNMENT SPECS
Caster - 4-5 deg. (guesstimate)
Camber - 4-5 deg. (guesstimate)
Toe setting IN/OUT - 1/16" IN
Ride height change from stock, FRONT - 1-2" lower
Ride height change from stock, REAR - 1" lower


CHASSIS / FRAME
Chassis: - stock but heavily reinforced
Subframe Connectors: - Hotchkis with extra bracing to torsion bar brace.
Torque Boxes: - none
Roll bar, Roll Cage: - Custom six-point cage with swing-out doors.
Other / Aftermarket stiffeners: - Beefed up Torsion bar brace and trans brace.


COMMENTS: - It's a fun car


1. Best above improvement(s): - Chassis Stiffening
2. Least effective above improvement - None
3. Next improvement - Trying to fit 275/35/18 tires all the way around. Larger T-bars.
4a. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9
4b. Above car handles IMO compared to a similar car of same buildyear: 1 Million


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