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#1156398 - 03/05/13 02:46 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: HUSTLESTUFF]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
mopar

Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 531
Loc: Sac, CA, USA
Entry/Update Date: 3/5/13

Model: Barracuda

Year: 70

Weight: Guessing 3800ish w/driver

Application: Makes me happy driving it doing whatever

Engine Package briefly: 73 440, stock short block, 915 heads, edelbrock FI, Milodon road race oil pan

Estimate HP: 375ish RWHP on drag strip dyno calcs

Trans: 518 A/T, lockup converter

Speeds: 4

Gears: .69 overdrive

RE Ratio: 3.91:1

RE Type: 8 3/4, Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 245/45R17 BFG T/A

Front Rim width: 17x8

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 305/45R17 BFG T/A

Rear Rim Width: 17x9.5



Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock configuration, Firm Feel upper control arms, FF adjustable strut rods, boxed lower arms, Flaming River manual steering box, reinforced K member
4 degrees positive caster, .5 degrees negative camber, .025" toe in

TB Dia: 1.06

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: Hellwig tubular 1.250


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP Oval Track, offset hangers

Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Rear Sway bar Dia: None

Front Brakes: Stock, Firm Feel carbon pads

Rotor Dia Width: 10.87

Caliper-Pistons: Stock slider, single piston

Cooling Ducts:None

Rear Brakes: stock drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x2

Rotor Dia: n/a

Rotor width: n/a

Caliper- Pistons : n/a

Parking Brake: stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1-1/16


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: XV

Torque Boxes: none

Roll bar, Roll Cage: none

Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator brace, XV shock tower reinforcement

Comments: Sure!



1. Best above improvement: Shocks

2. Least effective above improvement: Old tires

3. Next improvement: tires, torque boxes, brakes, maybe wheels

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 6-7 on current tires (they're 15 years old and hard as rocks)


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#1156399 - 04/26/13 01:06 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: ntstlgl1970]
ntstlgl1970 Offline
mopar

Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 531
Loc: Sac, CA, USA
Entry/Update Date: 4/25/13 - changed a couple of things

Model: Barracuda

Year: 70

Weight: Guessing 3800ish w/driver

Application: Makes me happy driving it doing whatever

Engine Package briefly: 73 440, stock short block, 915 heads, edelbrock FI, Milodon road race oil pan sectioned to clear center link at full lock w/stock length idler and pitman arms

Estimate HP: 375ish RWHP on drag strip dyno calcs

Trans: 518 A/T, lockup converter

Speeds: 4

Gears: .69 overdrive

RE Ratio: 3.91:1

RE Type: 8 3/4, Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 265/35R18 Nitto Invo

Front Rim width: 18x9.5

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/35R18 Nitto Invo

Rear Rim Width: 18x10



Aftermarket Front End brand: Stock configuration, Firm Feel upper control arms, FF adjustable strut rods, boxed lower arms, Flaming River manual steering box, reinforced K member
4 degrees positive caster, .5 degrees negative camber, .025" toe in

TB Dia: 1.06

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Front Sway bar Dia: Hellwig tubular 1.250


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP Oval Track, offset hangers

Shocks: QA1 double adjustable

Rear Sway bar Dia: None

Front Brakes: Stock, Firm Feel carbon pads

Rotor Dia Width: 10.87

Caliper-Pistons: Stock slider, single piston

Cooling Ducts:None

Rear Brakes: stock drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 11x2

Rotor Dia: n/a

Rotor width: n/a

Caliper- Pistons : n/a

Parking Brake: stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1-1/32


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: XV

Torque Boxes: US Car Tool

Roll bar, Roll Cage: none

Aftermarket stiffeners: XV radiator brace, XV shock tower reinforcement, US car tool torque boxes F+R

Comments: Sure!



1. Best above improvement: New tires, Shocks

2. Least effective above improvement: Old tires

3. Next improvement: brakes

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): hope to find out after I get the tires mounted next week

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#1156400 - 08/28/13 12:21 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: ntstlgl1970]
Rapom65 Offline
member

Registered: 08/02/13
Posts: 86
Loc: Battle Ground, Washington
Entry/Update Date: #1, 27 AUG 2013
Model: Gold Duster, under construction hodgepodge of shelf parts, junkyard scrounging and drag racing left overs
Year: 1974
Application: Hobby, Driver, Track days, Autocross
Engine: 365, ported Eddy RPM heads, RPM Airgap, 10.25:1
Estimate HP: 450ish, chassis dyno'd @ 406 hp & 421 tq before Eddy heads/Crane Gold rockers & compression bump
Trans: '75 iron case 4sp OD, Lakewood bell housing, billet flywheel, Centerforce "Dual Friction" clutch, Home built Hyd clutch conversion, Hurst "Pro Billet" shifter, E body Pistol grip, auto to 4sp hump conversion
Gears: stock
RA Ratio: Narrowed 8 3/4, 742, 3.55 sure grip, shortend & resplined C body axles, current Green bearings going back to Timken tapered rollers

Front Tire Size Brand Model: not purchased yet ?x15
Front Rim width: 15x7 4.0"BS
Rear tire Size Brand Model: MT "I" block N50 (give me a break they're all I have and I have 2 sets to wear out!)
Rear Rim Width: 15x10

Front TB Dia: .890s for now but going bigger
Front End brand: stock K fully welded & gusseted
Front Shocks: Hotchkis Fox - to be purchased
Front Sway bar Dia: Helwig 1.125 hollow
Urethane bushing where? Rear suspension, f/r shocks, front swaybar
UCA: OEM w/ Moog K7103 offset bushings
TR: OEM 9/16" to be replaced by 11/16"
Strut Rods: Dillinger chromemoly adjustable
LCA Reinforcement? Full length plate
Caster/Camber/Toe: TBD per board recommendations

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: NA
Aftermarket Suspension: Home built Triangulated 4 Link, 1.5" tubes, mini tub with lower 4 link mounts "in frame"
Shocks: Strange single adjustable w/ current QA1 150# springs to be matched with eventual TB selection
Adj Setting: Compression
Rear Sway bar Dia: NA

Front Brakes: OEM single piston B body caliper, braided DOT hoses
Brand Pad: Wagner 1CM7017 severe duty carbon metalic
Rotor Dia Width: Reybestos 11.75 x 1.0
Caliper Piston: 2.75"
Cooling Ducts: yes

Rear Brakes: OEM '85 New Yorker finned drum
Drum Size Dia Width: 10 x 2.5

Rotor Dia Width: not yet
Caliper: dito above
Parking Brake: yes, OEM w/ modifications

MC: OEM, Power disk off '85 New Yorker w/ 2 to 4 bolt adapter
Booster: rebuilt OEM '74 A body
Dual Circuit Dia: 1 1/32"
Proportioning Valve: OEM '74 disk w/ aftermarket bias adjuster plumbed in rear line
Brake Fluid: None selected yet, high wet boiling point due to NW climate

Steering: Firm Feel Stage 3, Saginaw pump, cooler plumbed into return line, floor shift power steering column conversion

Chassis OEM
Subframe Connectors: Home built 2x3" .120 wall welded & tied into rockers
Torque Boxes: no
Roll bar, Roll Cage: none at this time, designing seat harness bar behind front buckets, rear seat delete option
Aftermarket stiffeners: Homemade 2x3 .120 wall lower radiator cross bar, lowered & widened for 28" aluminum radiator, OEM firewall to fender struts tied into homemade shock tower brace

Comments: Hope I didn't ruffle feathers posting a car in progress

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement: definitely tires and rims!

3. Next improvement Likely: definitely tires and rims!, uprated TB's w/ matching rear coil springs, ultimately fuel injection & Jamie P's 5 speed if unhappy with 4sp OD

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10 sitting on jack stands VROOM - VROOM!

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10: 0 right now


Edited by Rapom65 (09/08/13 12:39 PM)

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#1156401 - 09/03/13 04:53 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Rapom65]
Consulier Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 05/08/05
Posts: 253
Loc: USA
Entry/Update Date: 09/03/2013

Model: Plymouth Satellite Sedan

Year: 1970

Weight: about 3,850

Application: Autocross, Track Day

Engine Package briefly: Aluminum head 451, 11:1 compression, hydraulic cam, 750 cfm carb, 1 3/4" Hedman headers with 3" Flowmaster exhaust

Estimate HP: 525 FW

Trans: Keisler RS 600

Speeds: 5

Flywheel: RAM Aluminum

Clutch: RAM Diaphragm

Gears: 2.80, 1.99, 1.33, 1.0, 0.67

RE Ratio: 3.73:1

RE Type: 8 3/4, 489 Case, True Trac



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35/18 Falken RT-615k

Front Rim width: 10" Weld RTS

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/40/18 Falken RT-615k

Rear Rim Width: 10" Weld RTS



Aftermarket Front End brand: Chrysler

TB Dia: 1.06

Front Shocks: Hotchkis by Fox

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.25"

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Shocks: Hotchkis by Fox

Rear Sway bar Dia: 1.0" Adjustable


Front Brakes: AR Engineering / Dr Diff Viper Caliper Conversion with Hawk HT-10 pads

Rotor Dia Width: 11.75" x 1.0" iron Cordoba rotors

Caliper-Pistons: First Generation Viper Calipers

Cooling Ducts: N/A


Rear Brakes: Dr Diff Cobra Conversion with Hawk Blue pads

Rotor Dia: 12"

Rotor width: 0.75"

Caliper- Pistons : Single Piston Cobra Caliper

Parking Brake: N/A

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 1.0"


Chassis: Stock

K-Member: Stock with minor reinforcements on strut rod attachment points

Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis

Torque Boxes: N/A

Roll bar, Roll Cage: N/A

Aftermarket stiffeners: N/A


Steering: Firm Feel Stage 2

Steering Support: Firm Feel Sector Support Kit

Steering Quickener: Firm Feel large sector pinion and idler arm

Bumpsteer Modifications: Hotchkis adjustable steering rod kit

Strut Rods: Hotchkis adjustable

Upper Control Arms: Hotchkis tubular

Lower Control Arms: Stock unboxed


Alignment: -2.0 Camber, 1/16" Toe-In, 6 degrees of Caster


Comments:

The car is a 100% bolt on with zero fabrication built on my garage floor with hand tools. There is nothing special and everything is readily available to duplicate the entire package.

The only sorting that has ever been done to the car is the breather system and moved to a 295 rear tire. Suspension has been unchanged since the car was built and only the rear swaybar has been adjusted.


1. Best above improvement: 5 speed and suspension

2. Least effective above improvement: New door panels

3. Next improvement: 295 front tire

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9.5 - just too heavy still











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#1156402 - 12/09/13 01:38 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Consulier]
68KillerBee Offline


Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 6396
Loc: Missouri
So, I guess we can't go back and edit our posts for some reason??
Since my post I had the new, massive front sway bar(Hotchkis) installed, put slightly bigger wheels/tires on the front and have bilsteins from Hotchkis all around.
Can definitely feel the improvement, but next will be some sub-frame connectors. Unfortunately, I'm building a stroker motor for the bee and the connectors will be the first thing added after I get the driveline squared away.
The guys I had put the front sway bar in had some difficulty and I'll post some pics next time I go out in the shed as to what they had to do to make it fit.
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Families rides: 68 Super Bee, 68 GTX 'vert, 73 Charger, (2) 2010 Challenger r/t's. All 3 pedal equipped. 70 AAR. 71 b'cuda

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#1156403 - 02/01/14 12:30 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Mod Register? [Re: Rapom65]
Rapom65 Offline
member

Registered: 08/02/13
Posts: 86
Loc: Battle Ground, Washington
Quote:

Entry/Update Date: #2 / 1 Feb 2014

Model: Gold Duster, hodgepodge of shelf parts, junkyard scrounging and drag racing left overs

Year: 1974

Application: Hobby, Driver, Track days, Autocross

Engine: 365 cu in, ported Eddy RPM heads/airgap, 10.25:1, Holley 750 , TTI headers

Estimate HP: 450ish, chassis dyno'd @ 406 hp/421 tq before Eddy heads/Crane Gold rockers/compression bump

Trans: '75 iron case 4sp OD, Lakewood bell, billet flywheel, Centerforce "Dual Friction" clutch, Hyd clutch conversion, Hurst "Pro Billet" shifter, E body Pistol grip, 4sp hump conversion

Gears: stock

RA Ratio: Narrowed 8 3/4, 742, 3.55 sure grip, C body axles, 3" studs, current Green bearings going back to Timken tapered rollers

Front Tire Size Brand Model: not purchased yet ?x15

Front Rim width: 15x7 4"BS

Rear tire Size Brand Model: MT "I" block N50 (give me a break they're all I have plus I have 2 new sets to wear out!)

Rear Rim Width: 15x10 3 5/16" BS

Front TB Dia: .890s for now but 1.06 planned

Front End brand: stock K welded & gusseted

Front Shocks: Hotchkis Fox non-adj

Front Sway bar Dia: Helwig 1.125 hollow

Urethane bushing where? Rear suspension, f/r shocks, front sway bar

UCA: OEM, Moog K7103 offset bushings

TR: OEM 9/16", Proform alum adj

Strut Rods: Dillinger chromemoly adj

LCA Reinforcement? Full length plate

Caster/Camber/Toe: TBD per board recommendations

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: NA

Aftermarket Suspension: Home built Triangulated 4 Link, 1.5" tubes, mini tub, lower 4 link mounts "in frame"

Shocks: Strange single adj, QA1 150# springs to be matched with TB upgrade

Adj Setting: Compression

Rear Sway bar Dia: NA

Front Brakes: '76 single piston, braided DOT hoses

Brand Pad: Wagner 1CM7017 severe duty carbon metalic

Rotor Dia Width: Reybestos 11.75 x 1.0

Caliper Piston: 2.75"

Cooling Ducts: yes

Rear Brakes: '85 New Yorker finned drum

Drum Size Dia Width: 10 x 2.5

Rotor Dia Width: NA

Caliper: dito above

Parking Brake: OEM w/ modifications

MC: '85 New Yorker power disk, 4 bolt adapter

Dual Circuit Dia: 1 1/32"

Booster: rebuilt OEM '74 A body disk

Proportioning Valve: OEM '74 A body disk, bias adjuster plumbed in rear line

Brake Fluid: None selected yet, high wet boiling point due to NW climate

Steering: Firm Feel Stage 3, Saginaw pump, cooler in return line, floor shift power steering column conversion

Chassis: OEM

Subframe Connectors: 2 x 3 x .120 wall welded & tied into rockers

Torque Boxes: no

Roll bar, Roll Cage: none at this time, designing harness bar behind front buckets, rear seat deleted w/ firewall

Aftermarket stiffeners: 2 x 3 x .120 wall lower radiator support bar, lowered & widened for 28" aluminum radiator, OEM fender support struts tied into engine compartment cross brace

Comments: Hope I didn't ruffle feathers posting a car in progress

1. Best above improvement:

2. Least effective above improvement:

3. Next improvement Likely: definitely tires and rims!, uprated TB's w/ matching rear coil springs, ultimately "FAST" fuel injection & Jamie P's 5 speed if unhappy with 4sp OD

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 10 sitting on jack stands VROOM - VROOM!

5. My satisfaction with handing of above car 1-10: 0 right now



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#1156404 - 02/02/14 06:21 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
BigBlockMopar Offline
master

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 3121
Loc: The Netherlands
Entry/Update Date: - Feb 2, 2014

Model: - 1973 Dodge Dart Swinger.
Weight: - ca. 1550kg / 3400+ lbs less driver.
Application: Daily Driver


ENGINE / TRANS / REAR AXLE
Engine Package briefly: - 2bbl 318ci Propane-fueled
Estimate HP: - 145hp (dyno’d RWHP)
Trans: - A518 OD
RE Ratio/Type: - 3.91:1 SureGrip


WHEELS
Front/Rear Tires and Wheels: - 215/45/17 Michelin Tires on 7J Showwheels


FRONT SUSPENSION
Aftermarket Front End brand: - stock
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
TB Dia: - 1" JustSuspension torsionbars
Front Shocks: - KYB
Front Sway bar Dia: - Hellwig 1-1/8"

UCA upgrades / type / brand - stock
LCA upgrades / type / brand - stock

REAR SUSPENSION
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: - Stock with 2 extra leafs per side.
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
Shocks: - Monroe SensaTrack LoadAdjusters
Rear Sway bar Dia: - None


BRAKES
Front Brakes: - '73 Chrysler
Rotor Dia / Width: - 11.75" / 1.25"
Caliper-Pistons: - '73 Chrysler
Cooling Ducts:
Brake pad material / brand - HAWK HPS

Rear Brakes: - 10" drums
Parking Brake: - Stock
Brake pad/shoe material / brand - stock

Dual Circuit Dia MC: - 1-1/32" DrDiff mastercylinder
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other -


STEERING
Power / Manual - Power
Box or Rack / type - Borgeson powersteering box
Steering pump - Saginaw
Pitman-/idler arm ratio - stock
Tie-rod diameter - stock


ALIGNMENT SPECS
Caster - 1.5 deg.
Camber - 2 deg.
Toe setting IN/OUT - 1/8” IN
Ride height change from stock, FRONT - 2" lower
Ride height change from stock, REAR - 1 to 2" lower


CHASSIS / FRAME
Chassis: - stock
Subframe Connectors: - homemade 2x3"
Torque Boxes: -
Roll bar, Roll Cage: -
Other / Aftermarket stiffeners: -


COMMENTS: - none


1. Best above improvement(s): - Hellwig swaybar
2. Least effective above improvement - paint
3. Next improvement - Torque boxes / Body stiffening (read: rust removal)
4a. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7
4b. Above car handles IMO compared to a similar car of same buildyear: 9


PICTURES











Edited by BigBlockMopar (02/02/14 01:36 PM)
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#1156405 - 02/03/14 01:41 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: BigBlockMopar]
72440CUDA Offline
super stock

Registered: 07/07/03
Posts: 883
Loc: RAF Mildenhall, England
Info on my hooptie:

Entry/Update Date: Baseline / 3 Feb 14

Model: 'Cuda

Year: 1972ish

Weight: ?

Application: Mix

Engine Package briefly: Get this...
Original running 50,000 mile 440 out of a 1969 Yorker I bought for $250, compression tested 180 psi (+/- 5 psi), never rebuilt.
Eddie RPM intake/cam, Crane roller rockers, stock heads have never been pulled off, Hooker Super Comp headers, remote valve breather catch can.
(this replaced the non #'s matching 318)

Estimate HP: 280 RWHP, 350 RWTQ via mobile chassis dyno

Trans: TCI 727 with pro-street manual valvebody, GV overdrive

RE Ratio: 3.55

RE Type: Sure Grip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275/35-18 Nitto NT05

Front Rim width: Cruzin' Concepts FR500 18x9, w/ 1" spacer

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295/35-18 Nitto NT05

Rear Rim Width: Cruzin' Concepts FR500 18x10, w/ 3/8" spacer


Front End: Stock rebuild with PST polygraphite bushngs

TB Dia: Stock small block

Front Shocks: KYB gas-a-just

Front Sway bar Dia: Stock 'Cuda, poly bushings


Rear Leaf Suspension: Stock small block leafs, Mopar Performance 3/4" offset A-body hangers, 3/4" offset rear shackels, relocated spring pearches

Rear Shocks: Auto Zone specials, which replaced the air shocks that were on it.

Rear Sway bar Dia: Stock 'Cuda, poly bushings

Front Brakes: Stock disks ('73?)

Caliper-Pistons: Stock single piston

Rear Brakes: Stock Drums

Dual Circuit Dia MC: Stock with vacuum booster


Chassis: Stock

Subframe Connectors: Not yet

Torque Boxes: Not yet

Roll bar, Roll Cage: Nope

Aftermarket stiffeners: Nope

Comments: On the To-Do list: Borgeson steering box, change from a Federal to a Saginaw pump, US Car Tool complete stiffener kit, seam weld, QA1 K-frame and lower control arms, Hotchkis TVS, Dr Diff 13" front Brembo brake kit and 11.7" rear Cobra brakes, engine refresh (500-512 stroker?) with Milodon road race pan, 440 source Stealth heads, rewire car with American Auto Wire Auto Update kit.



1. Best above improvement: Going from the 14" Enkei wheels to 15" Weld Draglites. Then after 12 years on the same BFG Radial TA tires, stepping up to the 18's and new rubber

2. Least effective above improvement: Everything that I have done so far has been at least some improvement.

3. Next improvement: Engine refresh, I'm getting some blow by

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): I get a lot of compliments for having stock suspension, so maybe a 5.


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#1156406 - 07/24/14 12:54 AM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
FuryBoy Offline
top fuel

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 1720
Loc: Eugene, OR
Entry/Update Date: 7/23/14

Model: Dodge

Year: Challenger

Weight: Wet w/driver 3600 lbs give or take

Application: this is a pleasure car, we DRIVE it. It see's drag duty a few times a year, I just want to handle better than stock

Engine Package: mild 360 for now, 340 stroker in the works

Estimate HP: 275 RWHP

Trans: 727 with 9.5 inch SMR converter

Speeds: 3

Gears:

RE Ratio: 3.23

RE Type: Sure Grip 8 3/4


Front Tire Size Brand Model: 235/60r15 BFG T/As

Front Rim width: 8

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 245/60r15

Rear Rim Width: 8


TB Dia: 1.06 FF

Coil Rate: 270 sounds right

Front Shocks: KYB

Front Sway bar Dia: stock

Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: ESPO 6 leaf

Shocks: KYB

Rear Sway bar Dia: NA for now

Front Brakes: 11.75

Caliper-Pistons: single piston

Rear Brakes: '80s cop car

Drum Size Dia Width: 10x2.5 w/ fins

MC: manual LW from Dr Diff

Subframe Connectors: Auto Rust Tech

Torque Boxes: Resto Rick boxes, currently only the fronts

Comments: FF stage II power box, C body tie rods, boxed LCAs,
Moog offset bushings in the UCA, poly urethane bushings through out the rest.


1. Best above improvement: big T bars

3. Next improvement tires and wheels, have some 17 inch wheels, but not sure what tires to run. Also, adding a bigger front sway bar and a rear. Debating between FF and Hotchkis

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 5-6


Comments: I feel like the car may have some bump steer. I need to adjust the distribution on the brakes some, the rears want to lock up first. The steering box wants to return with more power from turning right than when turning left. I need to adjust that. Also, I feel that I may have some bump steer. No sure how to address that.

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#1818628 - 05/04/15 03:07 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
cjskotni Offline
pro stock

Registered: 07/13/07
Posts: 1433
Loc: North Carolina
Entry/Update Date: 5/4/15

Model: 1973 Charger SE "P-code"

Year: 1973

Weight: ~3800 lbs

Application: Restomod, daily driver

Engine Package briefly: 400>>499 stroker, 10.4:1 compression, very mild cam (.480" lift), Eddy RPMs, headers, MP hi rise single plane intake, Holley 8150 850CFM, roller rockers

Estimate HP: RWHP 420ish@5200RPM, RWTQ 470ish@4200RPM

Trans: 727 Auto, 2400 stall TC

Speeds: 3

Gears: 3

RE Ratio: 3.55

RE Type: Auburn limited slip



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Cooper Cobra 245/60-15

Front Rim width: 8"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Cooper Cobra P275/60R15

Rear Rim Width: 8"



Aftermarket Front End brand: n/a

TB Dia: 1.06" FF

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Bilstien

Front Sway bar Dia: 1-1/8" PST


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate:

Shocks: Bilstiens

Rear Sway bar Dia: 3/4" Adco

Front Brakes: OEM disc

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts:

Rear Brakes: SSBC disc conversion

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width:

Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: OEM with SSBC rear parking brake int w/ caliper

Dual Circuit Dia MC: MP aluminum 4-bolt master cylinder, GM 4wheel disc prop valve


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: n/a

Torque Boxes: n/a

Roll bar, Roll Cage: n/a

Aftermarket stiffeners: poly bushings/body mounts all around, FF stage 3 steering box

Comments:



1. Best above improvement: steering box, torsion bars

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7/10 used to be about a 3
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1973 Charger SE 'P Code'(ALMOST DONE!!!)
#'s 4bbl 400 >> 499ci 10.4:1
727 TF 8 3/4" 489 w/ 3.55 sure-grip 4 wheel disc

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#1820768 - 05/06/15 11:00 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
Frankenduster Offline
Moparts proctologist

Registered: 02/15/10
Posts: 14684
Loc: Granite Bay CA
Maybe a good time to [/i]update[i] my info:

[b][/b]

Model: 1970 Dodge Charger

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver Do not know.

Application: Show, Autocross, Track, Race

Engine Package briefly: 440 based 493. 10.0 CR. Edelbrock heads, ported. 2" TTI headers. 850 4 barrel Lunati solid lifter cam

Estimate HP: FW or RWHP No dyno test on current combo.

Trans: 727 with 11" converter with 2600 stall (Approx)


RE Ratio: 66-67 8 3/4" with 3.55 gears, '489 case with clutch type SG.

Front Tire Size Brand Model: 275-40-18 Nitto 555

Front Rim width: 18x9"

Rear tire Size Brand Model: 295-40-18 Nitto 555

Rear Rim Width: 18x10"


TB Dia: 1.15 from BAC

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Bilstein RCD

Front Sway bar Dia: 1.25 solid. Modified GM truck unit from a mid 70s 1 ton 2wd.


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: MP HD with 6 leafs each side

Shocks: Bilstein RCD

Rear Sway bar Dia: 3/4" frame hung, OEM from 1983 Chrysler Imperial

Front Brakes: 1976 Cordoba 11.75 Unicast rotors, 2.75 single piston calipers from 88 Diplomat.

Rear Brakes: Dr Diff 11" disc kit using Toyota rotors, Mustang Cobra calipers.


Parking Brake: Yes

Dual Circuit Dia MC: 15/16" with power assist.


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: 3x3 box tubing welded into place

Torque Boxes: Custom made, front and rear

Roll bar, Roll Cage: None

Aftermarket stiffeners: Welded K member

Comments:



1. Best improvement: Front end rebuild! Stock suspension had 135,000 miles on it when I bought the car. Currently I have rubber LCA bushings, Moog rubber UCA bushings and urethane strut rod bushings.

2. Least effective improvement: Hard to determine.

3. Next improvement: Tires!

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 7

For years I dealt with an oversteer condition. I liked how flat and level the car stayed in the turns but the twitchy feel made it hard to feel confident if I wanted to press it hard into a turn. I was running a 7/8" axle hung Addco rear sway bar. I tried rubber end link bushings, tire pressure changes and it still wasn't right. I recently switched to a smaller rear bar; a 3/4" frame hung version that came stock on an 83 Imperial. The car felt better but still wasn't neutral. Last week I installed bigger torsion bars, out went the 1.0 and in went the 1.15s. I also changed the shocks at the same time from KYBs to Bilsteins. The ride improved, the oversteer went away and the car is much more fun to drive. The car has enough power to kick the tail out if I feel I need to. I no longer have to coast or brake through the turns to avoid drifting!

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#2009519 - 02/10/16 06:44 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: 540challenger]
smracing Offline
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Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 89
Loc: moscow mills mo






How did you like the suspension choice
Working on a 71cuda
Big block 727 3500stall 391s thinking about gear venders
did your super stock springs ride like a log wagon

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#2012732 - 02/15/16 07:09 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jvike]
smracing Offline
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Registered: 12/20/04
Posts: 89
Loc: moscow mills mo
Interesting build do you still have the car

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#2221433 - 12/26/16 09:40 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
Charger500 Offline
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Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 103
Loc: Tennessee
Entry/Update Date:

Model: Charger

Year: 1970

Weight: Dry, Wet w/driver

Application: Drag, Autocross

Engine Package briefly: 493 Stroker, hydraulic roller, ported Edelbrock Heads, Fitech EFI.

Estimate HP: FW 600HP

Trans: Tremec TKO 600 Extreme Upgrade

Speed: 5

Gears:

RE Ratio: 3.54

RE Type: Sure Grip, Dana 60



Front Tire Size Brand Model: Nitto 555 275/40/18

Front Rim width: 10 inch

Rear tire Size Brand Model: Nitto 555 295/45/18

Rear Rim Width: 10 inch



Aftermarket Front End brand: Hotchkis

Coil Rate:

Front Shocks: Fox Hotchkis

Front Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis


Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: Hotchkis

Shocks: Fox Hotchkis

Rear Sway bar Dia: Hotchkis 1 1/4

Front Brakes: Doctor Diff Viper Brembo Style Calipers

Rotor Dia Width:

Caliper-Pistons:

Cooling Ducts: NO

Rear Brakes :Doctor Diff 11.7 Cobra Kit

Drum Size Dia Width:

Rotor Dia:

Rotor width :[/b}

[b} Caliper- Pistons :

Parking Brake: Factory

Dual Circuit Dia MC:


Chassis:

Subframe Connectors: Hotchkis

Torque Boxes:

Roll bar, Roll Cage: None

[b]Aftermarket stiffeners:

Comments:



1. Best above improvement: All of the above

2. Least effective above improvement

3. Next improvement Hydroboost

4. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 8

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Edited by Charger500 (12/26/16 09:57 PM)

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#2221442 - 12/26/16 09:56 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: Charger500]
amxautox Offline
Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot.

Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 95487
Loc: On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ...
Picture for the above post by Charger500, and yes it looks great;

https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/571/31784954971_d91a52d232_k.jpg

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#2221446 - 12/26/16 10:05 PM Re: Should we have Suspension Modification Register? [Re: jcc]
MuuMuu101 Offline
I got lucky at Woodward!

Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 12101
Loc: Covina, Ca
Entry/Update Date: - December 26, 2016

Model: - 1968 Dodge Dart GT
Weight: - Somewhere around 3200-3400 lbs, maybe.
Application: Weekend Car/Autocrosser/Road Racer/etc.


ENGINE / TRANS / REAR AXLE
Engine Package briefly: - 408ci Engine built by IMM Engines
Estimate HP: - 523 hp and 522 ft-lbs of torque at the crank
Trans: - T56 Magnum (driving it and doing the math, it may not be the close ratio)
RE Ratio/Type: - 3.55:1 w/ Eaton TrueTrac


WHEELS
Front Wheels: - 18 x 9" Mickey Thompson SC-5 w/ +32 mm offset (and 5 mm spacer)
Front Tires : - 255/40/18 Michelin Super Sport
Rear Wheels: - 18 x 9" Mickey Thompson SC-5 w/ +22 mm offset (and 5 mm spacer)
Rear Tires : - 255/40/18 Michelin Super Sport


FRONT SUSPENSION
Aftermarket Front End brand: - Hotchkis TVS
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
TB Dia: - 1.06" Firm Feel T-bars
Front Shocks: - Fox Adjustable
Front Sway bar Dia: - Hotchkis 1-1/2"

UCA upgrades / type / brand - Hotchkis
LCA upgrades / type / brand - Reinforced plate

REAR SUSPENSION
Rear Leaf Suspension Model Rate: - Hotchkis
Bushing material: - Polyurethane
Shocks: - Fox Adjustable
Rear Sway bar Dia: - Hotchkis 1" Hollow


BRAKES
Front Brakes: - Dr Diff Stage 4
Rotor Dia / Width: - 13" / 1.25"
Caliper-Pistons: - 1.5' / 1.625"
Cooling Ducts: Not yet, but soon
Brake pad material / brand - Whatever Cass gave me.

Rear Brakes: - Dr Diff 11.75" kit
Parking Brake: - Stock
Brake pad/shoe material / brand - Whatever Cass gave me.

Dual Circuit Dia MC: - 1-1/32" 1980 Dodge Aspen
Brake Fluid DoT 3, 4, 5, 5.1 Other - 4


STEERING
Power / Manual - Power
Box or Rack / type - Borgeson PS Box
Steering pump - KRC PS pump
Pitman-/idler arm ratio - stock
Tie-rod diameter - stock


ALIGNMENT SPECS
Caster - 4-5 deg. (guesstimate)
Camber - 4-5 deg. (guesstimate)
Toe setting IN/OUT - 1/16" IN
Ride height change from stock, FRONT - 1-2" lower
Ride height change from stock, REAR - 1" lower


CHASSIS / FRAME
Chassis: - stock but heavily reinforced
Subframe Connectors: - Hotchkis with extra bracing to torsion bar brace.
Torque Boxes: - none
Roll bar, Roll Cage: - Custom six-point cage with swing-out doors.
Other / Aftermarket stiffeners: - Beefed up Torsion bar brace and trans brace.


COMMENTS: - It's a fun car


1. Best above improvement(s): - Chassis Stiffening
2. Least effective above improvement - None
3. Next improvement - Trying to fit 275/35/18 tires all the way around. Larger T-bars.
4a. Above car handles IMO on a 1-10 ( 10 best Z06, 1 yugo): 9
4b. Above car handles IMO compared to a similar car of same buildyear: 1 Million


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