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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: OneOfMany] #1148927
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From what I understand, it is all numbers-matching and complete except for a missing original carb. One of the Johntson motors cars - 090.

Grant




Is it like 80% restored with pro original paint job and some other parts of the car fully restored?

If not $60K is way over market. Even if you give a 20% bonus for it being the rarer Coupe version.

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: autoxcuda] #1148928
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My thought is 60k restored......

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Wedgeman] #1148929
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Why buy a project when you can buy this one.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classi...sationId=441625

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Ron69rr] #1148930
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Wow, that is cheap for one of those, might have to go down and check it out in person and find out why?!?


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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Rhinodart] #1148931
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Wow, that is cheap for one of those, might have to go down and check it out in person and find out why?!?




Jim, this ones been around for awhile. It was for sale in Maine(i think)a few years ago. Look at the left inside quarter panel. Looks like the restorer didn't even bother to take a sticker off the repo quarter before painting it?


I'm the CARETAKER of Weinstats '69 440 'cuda registry and have 104 of the 360 cars to date. 84 fastbacks/20 coupes. Always looking for new(REAL M-code) '69 440 'cudas to add to the registry so drop me a note if any are found or known. This isn't a publicly released registry. Thanks, Dave
Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Wedgeman] #1148932
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Hey there !
Found a 69 Barracuda notchback M code ! yes with a 440 engine

How rare are they? any production numbers here ?

Body mint condition, needs paint and reassembly

What's it worth ?

Dan




Do you have anymore updates on this 69 M code notchback, don't leave us hanging, what color did you say it was again, mileage, condition, etc.

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Race&Resto] #1148933
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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: 68mannix] #1148934
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Yes wedgeman, any up dates? I just received an up date of a new owner of a Y2 M-code fastback in Canada!.........adding another notch to the list would be great! Dave


I'm the CARETAKER of Weinstats '69 440 'cuda registry and have 104 of the 360 cars to date. 84 fastbacks/20 coupes. Always looking for new(REAL M-code) '69 440 'cudas to add to the registry so drop me a note if any are found or known. This isn't a publicly released registry. Thanks, Dave
Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: big-block-dave] #1148935
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any updates or pics yet?we need more m code pics

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: 68mannix] #1148936
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Is it me or are the '69 M-code Cuda's and M-code Dart's not worth much or "the best kept secret" collector muscle car off the radar screen out there today? I mean look at the numbers built compared to '69 M-code B-bodies and wing cars and a few others. Seems you can find complete nicely restored M-code Dart's and Cuda's for about the price of barely driver quality M-code A12's or barely driver quality '70+ Cuda's and Challenger's what's with the low value of the M-code Dart/Cuda Maybe I should keep my trap shut and start looking huh

Let's see '69 M-code Dart production was 640 versus 1907 '69 M-code Super Bee's on the Dodge side

and 1412 '69 M-code road runners versus XXX? M-code Cuda's on the Plymouth side.......why the low value................well at least the package code has a higher number; A12 vs A13


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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: A12] #1148937
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Is it me or are the '69 M-code Cuda's and M-code Dart's not worth much or "the best kept secret" collector muscle car off the radar screen out there today? I mean look at the numbers built compared to '69 M-code B-bodies and wing cars and a few others. Seems you can find complete nicely restored M-code Dart's and Cuda's for about the price of barely driver quality M-code A12's or barely driver quality '70+ Cuda's and Challenger's what's with the low value of the M-code Dart/Cuda Maybe I should keep my trap shut and start looking huh

Let's see '69 M-code Dart production was 640 versus 1907 '69 M-code Super Bee's on the Dodge side

and 1412 '69 M-code road runners versus XXX? M-code Cuda's on the Plymouth side.......why the low value................well at least the package code has a higher number; A12 vs A13


MikeR





First of all hipo A bodies have been lower price than hipo B an E bodies for years only seeing a jump in value shortly before the price crash of old muscle cars in the end of 2006. They have probably held their prices better through the crash than some of the other cars.

Yes, the A body 440 cars have always been under valued for what they are but were quickly overshadowed when the E bodies with 440-4 and 440-6 cars became available the next year.

The problem with them is that just like big block E bodies (maybe moreso with As) is the are not a very well balanced car for much other than straight line and probably harder to launch due to their light rear end. Most A body guys LOVE the well balanced, fast, high, winding small blocks that were very quick with a 340 with 3.91 gears. These cars are a force all in their own. They are definately better built than an E body and I personally think better built (tighter) than the B bodies when they were all new.

A bodies never got much respect in the Mopar camp even though they were a nice, fast little car. Personally I LOVE them. They are a great car to drive these days as they are about the same size inside and out as todays full size cars. Many of the young guys that grew up with the modern cars of today find the B bodies way too big compared to what they are used to.

Look at a 68 GTS or 69 Swinger with the body lines, performance hood and tail lights. They LOOK like a baby RR.

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: 696pack] #1148938
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Is it me or are the '69 M-code Cuda's and M-code Dart's not worth much or "the best kept secret" collector muscle car off the radar screen out there today? I mean look at the numbers built compared to '69 M-code B-bodies and wing cars and a few others. Seems you can find complete nicely restored M-code Dart's and Cuda's for about the price of barely driver quality M-code A12's or barely driver quality '70+ Cuda's and Challenger's what's with the low value of the M-code Dart/Cuda Maybe I should keep my trap shut and start looking huh

Let's see '69 M-code Dart production was 640 versus 1907 '69 M-code Super Bee's on the Dodge side

and 1412 '69 M-code road runners versus XXX? M-code Cuda's on the Plymouth side.......why the low value................well at least the package code has a higher number; A12 vs A13


MikeR





First of all hipo A bodies have been lower price than hipo B an E bodies for years only seeing a jump in value shortly before the price crash of old muscle cars in the end of 2006. They have probably held their prices better through the crash than some of the other cars.

Yes, the A body 440 cars have always been under valued for what they are but were quickly overshadowed when the E bodies with 440-4 and 440-6 cars became available the next year.

The problem with them is that just like big block E bodies (maybe moreso with As) is the are not a very well balanced car for much other than straight line and probably harder to launch due to their light rear end. Most A body guys LOVE the well balanced, fast, high, winding small blocks that were very quick with a 340 with 3.91 gears. These cars are a force all in their own. They are definately better built than an E body and I personally think better built (tighter) than the B bodies when they were all new.

A bodies never got much respect in the Mopar camp even though they were a nice, fast little car. Personally I LOVE them. They are a great car to drive these days as they are about the same size inside and out as todays full size cars. Many of the young guys that grew up with the modern cars of today find the B bodies way too big compared to what they are used to.

Look at a 68 GTS or 69 Swinger with the body lines, performance hood and tail lights. They LOOK like a baby RR.

They are a great car to drive these days as they are about the same size inside and out as todays full size cars.




That's funny because I wanted a '69 383 GTS back in '69 and my mother asked "why do you want a COMPACT CAR" which they were back then Then I found out by a magazine article that Dodge was going to do the M-code 440 Dart and couldn't find a Dodge dealer that knew anything about it and got laughed out of a Dodge dealership when I asked a sales guy about the 440 in the Dart....sales guy shouts to another sales guy down a hallway and he laughs too and says "yeah they'll be putting the Hemi in the family station wagon too....more laughing and I leave I was so mad and that I decided not to even get a 383 GTS and ordered a '69 383 road runner showed them...and even came to a complete stop in front of the Dodge dealership with the rr one day and lit em up with the 3.91 Suregrip felt better


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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: 696pack] #1148939
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Nice description of the A-Body small block! The only thing is you couldn't get a 4 speed with M code. I would love an M code Cuda but now I am looking forward more than ever to getting my 4 speed 340S FB on the road! Thanks!

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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1148940
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The main difference in the M-Code Darts/Barracudas and A12 cars is the multiple carbs and fiberglass hood, as compared to a 4-bbl and stock hoods. Multi-carb cars will ALWAYS demand more money and aura.


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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Rhinodart] #1148941
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The main difference in the M-Code Darts/Barracudas and A12 cars is the multiple carbs and fiberglass hood, as compared to a 4-bbl and stock hoods. Multi-carb cars will ALWAYS demand more money and aura.





Hmmmmmmm I think they only built two of those A13's with a fiberglass lift off hood, three two barrels and an aluminum Edelbrock manifold, one was a Dart the other a Cuda............thought it was funny when I started to type it but NOT

Wonder if there was a class for a multi carb, big block compact back then


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The main difference in the M-Code Darts/Barracudas and A12 cars is the multiple carbs and fiberglass hood, as compared to a 4-bbl and stock hoods. Multi-carb cars will ALWAYS demand more money and aura.





Hmmmmmmm I think they only built two of those A13's with a fiberglass lift off hood, three two barrels and an aluminum Edelbrock manifold, one was a Dart the other a Cuda............thought it was funny when I started to type it but NOT

Wonder if there was a class for a multi carb, big block compact back then


MikeR




I have never heard of this, is there any factory documentation for this?

Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: 696pack] #1148943
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The main difference in the M-Code Darts/Barracudas and A12 cars is the multiple carbs and fiberglass hood, as compared to a 4-bbl and stock hoods. Multi-carb cars will ALWAYS demand more money and aura.





Hmmmmmmm I think they only built two of those A13's with a fiberglass lift off hood, three two barrels and an aluminum Edelbrock manifold, one was a Dart the other a Cuda............thought it was funny when I started to type it but NOT

Wonder if there was a class for a multi carb, big block compact back then


MikeR




I have never heard of this, is there any factory documentation for this?




NO!!!!! But see how internet "folklore" is started, it was meant to be funny in regards to some recent threads and as I wrote it is NOT. NEVER WAS THERE A LOH Dart or Cuda with multi-carbs! Five years from now someone will bring this "fact" up and that they even saw a photo of one


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So would an M-code Cuda or Dart make a good F.A.S.T. car and has anyone competed with one yet?

I know stock tire size would be an issue but you could go one width size larger (F70-14 to G70-14) from what I'm told for a little help.

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I do not think it would make a good FAST car. I know that JohnRR was going to race the 383 4-speed GTS I sold to him (he traded an M-Code GTS that was tubbed and caged for it) but I don't think he has done it yet. I had the opportunity to buy an M-Code GTS with a six-pack on it about 15 years ago for $7500 and couldn't come up with the cash then, I still kick myself for that one...


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Re: 1969 Barracuda M code [Re: Rhinodart] #1148946
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It is believed that there were 358 cuda 440s built, in the three production runs.

Having had the pleasure of logging over 30,000 miles in an original one, I can attest that they are certainly a handful. With armstrong steering, 10" drums, and the ability to break the rear loose at will, they certainly were not designed for the average person. Add to that the limited 12 month/12,000 mile warranty, and the skinny tractionless tires available at the time, they really offered little over a 340 car in terms of performance, and certainly not in the handling department.

I have heard they were produced to homologate the 440 for use in stock drag racing classes, however I have no proof that this is true.

Even in the early 90s, many "knowledgeable" Moparites did not even know of their existence, and with the fendertag indicating the E63 (383) motor, most often assumed they were simply a crudely done (motor mount) home swap. If I heard "fake" once, I heard it a million times.

I only knew of them from a two page black & white article in one of the first Mopar Action mags that featured one. And I still thank Nick Corbo of Stamford, Conneticut (whom I just google searched and found his obituary from 2009 ) for spending the time over the phone helping me learn and document my car before finalizing the purchase.

Grant

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