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Re: What size Big Block [Re: mopar_to_ya] #1142822
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Yea I agree those big blocks need the naz to run a number




Maybe if you build it, it would need a power adder, or a big block chevy! From what I understand, you got a 400 plus cu in, w-9 motor going on av 10.0's in an abody at a sea-level track.
And as bdazz smblk(aka; my Brother) says. You might wanna get out more often yo some diff tracks. And btw, that motor isn't anything special at all!!!!




I guess you missed the fact that I slow it down to go 10.0 index racing. Yes it is a 422 with w9 rp and has run 9.55 at 143 NA so there is a little left in her yet.

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Re: What size Big Block [Re: bdaz smblk] #1142823
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Mr.Yuck if you are talking about Bill's blue demon it is a 499 with a 670 lift roller.He bought the motor out of my brothers full interior 30x10 tire 69 dart with mufflers and went 9.30's at 146.And 1967dart gt if you never see a street car with a big block run good you need to get out to different tracks more often.Not saying they are everywhere but there are some good running ones out there floating around.




Yes they are out there but very few just like small blocks. Its mopars in general not a lot of them. Next time I get down your way I will let you play with my nitrous machine, your brother to with his big block.


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142824
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Mr.Yuck if you are talking about Bill's blue demon it is a 499 with a 670 lift roller.He bought the motor out of my brothers full interior 30x10 tire 69 dart with mufflers and went 9.30's at 146.And 1967dart gt if you never see a street car with a big block run good you need to get out to different tracks more often.Not saying they are everywhere but there are some good running ones out there floating around.




Yes they are out there but very few just like small blocks. Its mopars in general not a lot of them. Next time I get down your way I will let you play with my nitrous machine, your brother to with his big block.




67 jeeesh such hate for BB, you know you could of had one that ran as good or better than that SB for 1/2 the price...lol

Yes, bdaz It's Bill demon, I hear he's going bigger next year, same everything except more cubes.

Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142825
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He says it ran 146 mph last year in the quarter.It was a 499 10 to 1 compression 700+ lift but less then 800 with the indy sr non max wedge in a 3300 lb dart. I think he was streching the truth some what do you guys think. Isn't that like 750hp to run that fast ib that car? From some of the post about big block it doesn't seem like thats what you guy get out of them.


In the mid 90s we had a 440-1 on a 499ci with about 12-1 static and net intake lift of .687 IIRC. A 3280# 69' Barracuda on SS springs and footbrake w/9" J converter went 145.80 in average ATCO air (maybe 1500ft).

Drove that car on the street as much, or more than any low 9sec N/A car in the country for 4 years, I'll bet.

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Re: What size Big Block [Re: jim sciortino] #1142826
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: jim sciortino] #1142827
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He says it ran 146 mph last year in the quarter.It was a 499 10 to 1 compression 700+ lift but less then 800 with the indy sr non max wedge in a 3300 lb dart. I think he was streching the truth some what do you guys think. Isn't that like 750hp to run that fast ib that car? From some of the post about big block it doesn't seem like thats what you guy get out of them.


In the mid 90s we had a 440-1 on a 499ci with about 12-1 static and net intake lift of .687 IIRC. A 3280# 69' Barracuda on SS springs and footbrake w/9" J converter went 145.80 in average ATCO air (maybe 1500ft).

Drove that car on the street as much, or more than any low 9sec N/A car in the country for 4 years, I'll bet.




Thats a good running street car, now with less head, less compresion and same weight do you think you could go faster? Thats what I was running late 90s and early 2000s with pump gas and a small block on spray. It was only 385 cuin with edelbrock rpm heads. Wish I never took that motor apart had a lot of fun with it driving all over the place.


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142828
12/28/11 01:00 PM
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




that's why I hit the "bargin bun" here on moparts when I break something. FWIW I think this stock stroke 440 w/ a larger solid roller, maybe more gear would run low 10's easy in an A-body.

Re: What size Big Block [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1142829
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




that's why I hit the "bargin bun" here on moparts when I break something. FWIW I think this stock stroke 440 w/ a larger solid roller, maybe more gear would run low 10's easy in an A-body.




Long way to go mid 9s from low 10s...and lots of money.


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142830
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




i dont have any of that stuff. even my intake and carbs i have less than $700 in. bottom of the barrel EZ heads here, standard rockers and mild roller. it ran 6.20s @110 at 3500 lbs in my challenger


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142831
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




that's why I hit the "bargin bun" here on moparts when I break something. FWIW I think this stock stroke 440 w/ a larger solid roller, maybe more gear would run low 10's easy in an A-body.




Long way to go mid 9s from low 10s...and lots of money.




nothing a stroker kit, bigger stall and better intake/carb can't fix. low 10's are w/ the ported stage VI heads and factory 6 pack. But hey I'm happy w/ the way it runs. I drive it to the track and home (barring breakage) Should be close to 11.0's come spring.

Re: What size Big Block [Re: sixpackgut] #1142832
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




i dont have any of that stuff. even my intake and carbs i have less than $700 in. bottom of the barrel EZ heads here, standard rockers and mild roller. it ran 6.20s @110 at 3500 lbs in my challenger




Do you think a ez head is better than a sr head?


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1142833
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




that's why I hit the "bargin bun" here on moparts when I break something. FWIW I think this stock stroke 440 w/ a larger solid roller, maybe more gear would run low 10's easy in an A-body.




Long way to go mid 9s from low 10s...and lots of money.




nothing a stroker kit, bigger stall and better intake/carb can't fix. low 10's are w/ the ported stage VI heads and factory 6 pack. But hey I'm happy w/ the way it runs. I drive it to the track and home (barring breakage) Should be close to 11.0's come spring.




Don't forget roll cage, driving suit etc...


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142834
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[Don't forget roll cage, driving suit etc...




yeah the cage should already be in, that's why I'm good now. I just want to make a few fast passes then sit on an 11.51 dial. My next car will be fast. BTW what do W9's run? like $1100 bare?

Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142835
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Hey Mr yuck you need good heads on a big block to go this fast and everyone in this post has had 440-1 heads. Last time I checked it was a good amount of money for a good set, cnc and rockers intake etc.. It ain't cheap going this fast weather its a big block or small block. I have a lot less in my motor then you think.




i dont have any of that stuff. even my intake and carbs i have less than $700 in. bottom of the barrel EZ heads here, standard rockers and mild roller. it ran 6.20s @110 at 3500 lbs in my challenger




Do you think a ez head is better than a sr head?




no. i believe the SR's are better but have a raised exhaust port and i was afraid it would cause problems with the headers in my challenger that seemed to wrap around every steering piece in the car


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: sixpackgut] #1142836
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I though the SRs where the base head. I though all the 440-1 heads flow better. Isn't a ez just a 440-1 with standard exhaust ports?


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: dmking] #1142837
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dear mr small block. stock crank 440 with old small indy heads that flow less than some small block indy heads. 262/265cam 630lift solid low 10s. with out having to buy special for these heads parts.




If you ever came to see me do a burnout you would understand why I am a smallblock guy... 8000 rpm is not uncommon for me in a burnout box..LOL


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142838
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dear mr small block. stock crank 440 with old small indy heads that flow less than some small block indy heads. 262/265cam 630lift solid low 10s. with out having to buy special for these heads parts.




If you ever came to see me do a burnout you would understand why I am a smallblock guy... 8000 rpm is not uncommon for me in a burnout box..LOL




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Re: What size Big Block [Re: 1967dartgt] #1142839
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I though the SRs where the base head. I though all the 440-1 heads flow better. Isn't a ez just a 440-1 with standard exhaust ports?




if you get the big EZ heads that take the offset rockers they would be more like the -1s with the stock exhaust port. but i think the price goes way up like the -1 heads.

i have read here some guys have very stout SR heads. obviously if the head is a standard port head then it will not have enough volume for a bigger motor.


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: pittsburghracer] #1142840
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NO found it works well with radials short, hard, fast burn out that is done in third gear.


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Re: What size Big Block [Re: sixpackgut] #1142841
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I though the SRs where the base head. I though all the 440-1 heads flow better. Isn't a ez just a 440-1 with standard exhaust ports?




if you get the big EZ heads that take the offset rockers they would be more like the -1s with the stock exhaust port. but i think the price goes way up like the -1 heads.

i have read here some guys have very stout SR heads. obviously if the head is a standard port head then it will not have enough volume for a bigger motor.




Oh didn't know there was that difference with the ez's. Learn some thing new everyday.


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