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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: SSDAcuda] #1141559
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Jay Thorne has had a hemi car for quite a while. I sold him some pistons about 5 years ago. He doesnt have alot of money, and does everything himself.

Why does it seem that EVERYONE is on the same page except Barton, and John K (press secretary for barton).
Unless you are one of the menbers of the barton car club, you dont have anything to worry about.
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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1141560
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", is this legal? Not in the spirit of the rule, I know, ".....Exactly what I'm talking about!

Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: SSDAcuda] #1141561
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So just because I think that if the rule was enforced and the stuff that has been turned a blind eye to for so many years was illegal, I don't care about the class? ..... If you don't think I care about the class you're mistaken

Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: ss/ah3480] #1141562
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So just because I think that if the rule was enforced and the stuff that has been turned a blind eye to for so many years was illegal, I don't care about the class? ..... If you don't think I care about the class you're mistaken




I've been wrong before. I hope you do care about the class and have enough foresight to see if the majority of heads are thrown out, SS/AH will probably never recover.

And its the little guys that this will hit the hardest. 10 yr old AH heads are still illegal


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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: warfish] #1141563
11/25/12 07:25 PM
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Why does it seem that EVERYONE is on the same page except Barton, and John K (press secretary for barton).
Unless you are one of the menbers of the barton car club, you dont have anything to worry about.
cw




What about Erik Jones?

It seeems he and I are on the same page as far as reading the rule. And FJ Smith also, although he thinks I'm an idiot for asking if I could race a head thats are milled into the vc threads, LOL!.

And the difference is when Eric said toss everyone, I stated lets figure out a way to save ALL the castings already out there.


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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: SSDAcuda] #1141564
11/26/12 02:12 PM
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And the difference is when Eric said toss everyone, I stated lets figure out a way to save ALL the castings already out there.




I never said to toss anyone! It was a simple statement that the rule is perfectly clear and that this subject needs to be dropped. Its obvious that Charlie (The fastest guy in the country) understands the rule, the picture speaks for its self!

Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: Erik Jones] #1141565
11/27/12 07:37 AM
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I never said to toss anyone!




That is very comforting to hear.

My point is that the way the rule is currently written, 90% of the AH cars are not Super Stock legal. This BS started when one group of racers were singled out for going a little farther than the rest with it.

If one or all of that elite group are bounced and deemed illegal, do you really think that will hurt them? Maybe their pride, LOL! Its the group way beyond them that will suffer the consequences. The little guy AH racers. The Jay Thornes or Dan Zrusts or really the countless heads in SS/AA, BA, CA, DA and EA that will suffer. Once NHRA takes a stand and throws one set of heads out, there are countless others that will be affected by this. And the countless others don't have the money to recover so easily. That is my point.

Charlie can call me the Barton secretary, I'm flattered! I secretly threw my warfish shirt away, and took off my camo underwear though! But I don't consider myself an AH racer. Just because I now own an AH car I don't feel like I am in that elite group. I am a Super Stock hemi racer though and look up to ALL the AH racers like looking up at a big brother.

I go to the track to make friends not enemies. One SS/AH competitor told me his take on this whole fight:

the AH guys like going fast and the spectators love it why slow us down. What's done is done move on Amen

My thought exactly! Just don't try to single one guy out and burn him at the stake, because your burning countless others you never thought about


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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: SSDAcuda] #1141566
11/27/12 10:01 AM
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"Intake side of head may not be cut into any part of valve cover bolt holes. Valve cover bolt holes must remain unaltered and in their original location." Illegal is illegal. Scrap anything that violates this rule and build new heads. Sell me the old illegal heads really cheap.

I've had the thought that MP should make raw castings available to those high dollar engine/head builders. You could move the valve angles and machine the valve cover bolt holes to whatever depth you wanted, or weld a stud to the upper row of bolt "holes", or where the holes would be?


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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: mr_340] #1141567
11/27/12 10:34 AM
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do the stockers and/or chevy guys cut the intake face so far they break int the bottom of the valve cover bolt (not sure what to call them...holes,wells,threaded cavity,,) also???...if not will there be a special "hemi" rule?

Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: ss/ah3480] #1141568
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a hemi is i think the only engine with an intake face angle more than 90 degrees to the deck,, 103 to be exact,,, most engines are 90 or less than 90,, so it would be impossible for the most part to cut the face and not break into the top before you break into the bottom,,

ok,, so when you have a question about the rules,, you ask the nhra tech,, not other racers,, if tech tells you what you can and cant do,, thats what you go by,, because after all they will be telling you if youre legal or not after you race,, so jay,, john,, whoever,, you may have a perception of the rule the way it is written,,, but nhra tech are the ones whose perception matters

the problem arives in that a person asked their tech from their division if they could do something and they said yes,, the guy made an argument about something,, and the tech agreed,, so the guy went and did it,, now the higher up tech says no you cant do that,, so it is being worked out/figured out,,, all that needs to happen is that we all have the same rule and its enforced no matter what division,, what race,, who you are,,, no matter what...

jay,, if you know of an engine with a int face angle greater than 90,, let me know,, other than a hemi i cant think of any

Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: ss/ah3480] #1141569
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This was originally a "Chevy" rule- the intake face of a SBC is at such an angle that the valve cover bolt hole would be comprimised before any of the adjoining threads, the same is NOT true on a Hemi, the angle of the intake face is such that the threads are cut into way before the bolt hole as viewed from the valve cover. On a SBC, the valve cover bolt hole is a clear limit to how far the intake face can be cut, on a Hemi, the limit is variable, depending on how deep the threads were cut into the head, either by the factory or by others.


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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: moderncylinder] #1141570
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what would stop you from angle cutting the intake face to gain an advantage?...i understand what your saying jeff ...i just dont understand how anyone(tech guy) could of ever told someone its ok to
cut into the bottom of the valve cover bolt threaded cavity...(obviously its not a hole)...i mean seriously anyone that reads the rulebook could figure that out...alot of other stuff is the same way(carb offset,crossram intakes)...seems theres noone to nip it in the bud from the start...do they (tech guys) just not know any better?..do they think its coool to have a fast car from their division???...oh well i guess it is what it is...

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Re: hemi super stock heads [Re: ss/ah3480] #1141571
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Off the head subject what do you guys run for piston side clearance in these SS/AH engines. I picked up a SS short block that has a lot..kinda scary.

2013 Hemi Chootout [Re: cudaman1969] #1141572
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March 22-24 at No Problem Raceway Cajun Sports Nationals. Details to follow but it should be bigger than last year which had 15 cars, party's, packed stands and some of the best side by side's of all year. I thought Daniels wheelie was going to land at the Superdome.

PS Race subject to ending of Mayan Calendar and/or PHISHCAL CLIFF....LOL


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