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Window net rule update! #1137564
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Talked to Division 1 Tech yesterday. Any car requiring a window net must meet sfi 27.1 spec and be replace every 2 years (just like seatbelts). He said it starts April 1st. Also helmets no older than snell 2005. Anybody else know about this?

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I think everone knew about the helmet update..But I did not know about the window net...I think you have to be 9.99 or quicker for the net?


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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: tboomer] #1137566
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Yes you need to be 9.99 or quicker and that rule has been on the books for a while now. I have had no problems with the net being out dated. I think they(nhra money grabbers) are going to try and inforce it. I talk to the tech guy at my track and he is only going to enforce it on 8.50 and quicker cars.


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The rule has always been to replace nets every 2 years IF YOU ARE USING A MESH NET. The ribbon nets did not have an expiration date according to the rules. Is that changing????

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The rule has always been to replace nets every 2 years IF YOU ARE USING A MESH NET. The ribbon nets did not have an expiration date according to the rules. Is that changing????




This statement is absolutely correct. I would like to see were they have changed that.

Re: Window net rule update! [Re: OUTLAWSSAA] #1137569
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I just checked the rule changes and in the table where it said Window Net (Mesh) expires in 2 years they have removed the "(Mesh)" therefore ANY net expires in 2 years.

Re: Window net rule update! [Re: Blucuda413] #1137570
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That's as dumb as the seatbelt rule


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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: hemi-itis] #1137571
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My ribbon net has no date on it at all.. Any chance of it being grandfathered in?

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Just like the seatbelts. The window net rule is changed for the same deal I suspect.

Here is the deal. Company A makes window net. NHRA finds out Company A window net model 1 is junk. Meanwhile Company B made a window new model 301 that has a problem. Almost impossible to find all these window nets and keep up with which ones were problems. So just like the belts they figure get rid of them every two years and the junk only stands to be in your car racing NHRA tracks for two years.

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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: Leon441] #1137573
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just another dumb azz NHRA rule like so many others


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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: W7 Duster] #1137574
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umm not to hijack ur thread there Chuck,but since rules are being talked about,,,whats this parachute deal for cars that do 135mph? any of you hear that rumor being thrown around i have heard.

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just another dumb azz NHRA rule like so many others




As the Cranksaft turns NHRA needs to get a life. Make the replacement rule 5 years on Belts/Nets/gloves/shoes/neckbraces. Also replace if your involved in a incident, heaven forbid for that ever to happen. upon inspection of your chassie you get your other stuff inspected.motor inspection stickers SFI # and all.

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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: fishy340] #1137576
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umm not to hijack ur thread there Chuck,but since rules are being talked about,,,whats this parachute deal for cars that do 135mph? any of you hear that rumor being thrown around i have heard.


Haven't heard that, will check into it. Hey, if i can stop at Island without a chute, i don't need one!

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This was an amendment to the 2012 rule book on NHRA.com

SECTION 4A: SUPER PRO, PRO, SPORTSMAN, INTERIOR: 6, WINDOW NET (Page 5)
Window net meeting SFI 27.1 Mmandatory in any full-bodied car required by the rules to have a roll cage. See General Regulations 6:3.
SFI SPEC DESCRIPTION EXPIRATION PERIOD
1.1 Single-Disc Clutch & Flywheel Assembly……………………2 years
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
27.1 Window Net (Mesh).............................................................2 years
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
38.1 Head and Neck Restraint System…………………………....5 years
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
54.1 Nonflammable, Thermal Barrier/Fire Coatings

On the website Mesh is crossed out!

Parachute still 150!

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yea thats true,island gives u a good 150ft to stop..lol,i'm getting a chute put on anyway while the car is at thriftway getting painted

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yea thats true,island gives u a good 150ft to stop..lol,i'm getting a chute put on anyway while the car is at thriftway getting painted




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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: fishy340] #1137580
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yea thats true,island gives u a good 150ft to stop..lol,i'm getting a chute put on anyway while the car is at thriftway getting painted




Gosh darn small block race cars needing chutes???

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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: hemi-itis] #1137581
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Re: Window net rule update! [Re: W7 Duster] #1137582
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i'm surprised they don't make u get a new car after 2 yrs. seeya.

Re: Window net rule update! [Re: rickraw] #1137583
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I had my car certified this spring and the conversation about belts came up, I suggested it was the dumbest rule ever. His reply was the belts are oil based which means they break down over time, didn,t say how much time just that they do. I don,t know if it was [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] or not, but kinda makes sense. Still not happy about it though.


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Where do you get a dated net at? i see them listed SFI non dated.


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I had my car certified this spring and the conversation about belts came up, I suggested it was the dumbest rule ever. His reply was the belts are oil based which means they break down over time, didn,t say how much time just that they do. I don,t know if it was [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] or not, but kinda makes sense. Still not happy about it though.


That`s funny cos if I`m not mistaken, the NASCAR guys don`t have to change em out like we do.


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lol sory about the wrong choice of words moparts. Yes very funny thumper as the next question to techy was...if that,s the case then how come 30 year old cars are allowed to be on the roads with original belts? and he just shrugged his shoulders lol


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Semi Trucks have to change every 8 years..

Just saw my belts in the Barracuda were no good.... I bought them a year ago Sept. 2010 but I didn't check the date.. They said Sept 2009..

Guess you always need to check them when they get to your door..


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That sucks the big one


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just another dumb azz NHRA rule like so many others


I just got my 2012 IHRA rule book in the mail today.
They still only have the 2 year replacement for mesh nets, ribbon nets N/A.


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Show the guy the rule book, he may just be misinformed.
But then again, the track can make stricter rules than the sanctioning body...

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As an NHRA tech for Division 3, I can confirm, there has been a rule change for 2012, and the ribbon style nets ARE required to have SFI date tags and and are good for 2-years just like the seat belts. I don't fully agree with it, but that is now the rule.

I personalty talked with one of the head guys for SFI and he indicated they have found when testing belts and window nets that even if kept out of the sun and in good condition, they lose some of their strength just from aging.

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As an NHRA tech for Division 3, I can confirm, there has been a rule change for 2012, and the ribbon style nets ARE required to have SFI date tags and and are good for 2-years just like the seat belts. I don't fully agree with it, but that is now the rule.

I personalty talked with one of the head guys for SFI and he indicated they have found when testing belts and window nets that even if kept out of the sun and in good condition, they lose some of their strength just from aging.




We had a guy on here a few years back that tested
belts.... some nasty lookin ones... in each case that
he tested... the latch gave way first.... he never
once had the webbing give out.... and in the testing
I watched at work it was the same way... that webbing
or seat belt material is STRONG stuff(and that was
2" webbing)and we are required 3" except for the
crotch belt which can be 2"..... I dont see the need
to change out a web style window net every 2 years...
the purpose is to keep your arms inside the car(and
the net is suppose to be mounted in board so it cant
be ground away if the car is on its side... its
not a strength issue........JMO

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I personalty talked with one of the head guys for SFI and he indicated they have found when testing belts and window nets that even if kept out of the sun and in good condition, they lose some of their strength just from aging.


He should have just said that not updating your window net aids terrorism!


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I was told at one track that my net was out of date. I told him the car didnt need the net as it wouldnt run faster then a 10.0. He then said if it had a cage it needed the net! In return I said the car only needs a roll bar for the ET it runs, it dosnt run fast enough to need the cage. His reply was change the net or go home.. If its got a cage, it needs a net.

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As an NHRA tech for Division 3, I can confirm, there has been a rule change for 2012, and the ribbon style nets ARE required to have SFI date tags and and are good for 2-years just like the seat belts. I don't fully agree with it, but that is now the rule.

I personalty talked with one of the head guys for SFI and he indicated they have found when testing belts and window nets that even if kept out of the sun and in good condition, they lose some of their strength just from aging.




We had a guy on here a few years back that tested
belts.... some nasty lookin ones... in each case that
he tested... the latch gave way first.... he never
once had the webbing give out.... and in the testing
I watched at work it was the same way... that webbing
or seat belt material is STRONG stuff(and that was
2" webbing)and we are required 3" except for the
crotch belt which can be 2"..... I dont see the need
to change out a web style window net every 2 years...
the purpose is to keep your arms inside the car(and
the net is suppose to be mounted in board so it cant
be ground away if the car is on its side... its
not a strength issue........JMO






You so called tech guys, all you have to do is show us the results of the tests showing us that belts fail. Just show us the tests and we will shut up.

That is all I'm asking for before I throw another $100 in the trash or just quit.

If the belts and nets really do fail after two years, how come the HANS device straps are good for five years


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