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71 440/6...Cast in 7-69 ????? #1125012
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Could a 1971 440/6 block have a casting date of 7/69 ???? All the ones I have ever seen were cast in mid to late 1970. Has anyone ever seen this ??

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Sure could, Chrysler did not have very good stock control in place.

That said I would be looking very closely at the pads that have the numbers stamped on them and the font of the numbers themselves ...

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Sure! My 1971 "G" 440 was cast in 1969

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I would expect to find a E stamped on the top pad if it was a made in 69 mtr or would mopar just stamp a G on top of the E and put the mtor in a 71 car ?? I have been told ALL hemi blocks used in 71 cars were cast in 69 and have a 69 casting date on the side but I never knew a 71 car could have a cast in 69 B or RB block. Im trying to get a pic of the vin stamping.

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Mine was a "warranty" block with NO VIN stamping. Block was originally in a 1970 6bbl 'Cuda that evidently had the motor replaced long ago"?" I purchased the short block from a friend as he had found an "F" 1970 block that he felt was more "correct" . I put this in my 1970 Challenger R/T Sixpack because it had the correct rods , balancer.......

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I would expect to find a E stamped on the top pad if it was a made in 69 mtr or would mopar just stamp a G on top of the E and put the mtor in a 71 car ?? I have been told ALL hemi blocks used in 71 cars were cast in 69 and have a 69 casting date on the side but I never knew a 71 car could have a cast in 69 B or RB block. Im trying to get a pic of the vin stamping.





Your block was cast in '69, but machined and assembled during the '71 MY, to be used in a '71 vehicle.

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I would expect to find a E stamped on the top pad if it was a made in 69 mtr or would mopar just stamp a G on top of the E and put the mtor in a 71 car ?? I have been told ALL hemi blocks used in 71 cars were cast in 69 and have a 69 casting date on the side but I never knew a 71 car could have a cast in 69 B or RB block. Im trying to get a pic of the vin stamping.





Your block was cast in '69, but machined and assembled during the '71 MY, to be used in a '71 vehicle.




What he said.

Just because a block was cast does not mean it gets machined and assembled right after. That block could have been hanging around for any number of reasons.

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Sure! My 1971 "G" 440 was cast in 1969


......So you have a warrenty motor that has a G 440 stamped on the top pad and a cast date 69 on the side of the block and no vin. This car is a 71 sixpack mtr with a vin ,a G 440 stamped on the top pad but a 7/69 casting date on the block. Has anyone ever see this ?

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Sure! My 1971 "G" 440 was cast in 1969


......So you have a warrenty motor that has a G 440 stamped on the top pad and a cast date 69 on the side of the block and no vin. This car is a 71 sixpack mtr with a vin ,a G 440 stamped on the top pad but a 7/69 casting date on the block. Has anyone ever see this ?




A warranty engine would not be stamped with the MODEL year.

I'm not buying the WARRANTY claim of the engine above.

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Yeah, I was wonderin about that. Thought the top pad would have been blank or had a W stamped there. So anyone else have a real production 1971 sixpack num matching engin with a G 440 on the top pad and a 1969 casting date on the block ???

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A warranty engine would not be stamped with the MODEL year.

I'm not buying the WARRANTY claim of the engine above.




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Would a block stamped with an F or G, but NO VIN stamped be an over the counter parts department block or one the factory worker forgot to stamp? TIA
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on ebay a 71 440 g cast number
1 21 70


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Yeah, I was wonderin about that. Thought the top pad would have been blank or had a W stamped there. So anyone else have a real production 1971 sixpack num matching engin with a G 440 on the top pad and a 1969 casting date on the block ???




Are you not going to believe it is possible unless one person has one ?

I have seen a 340 with a mid 70 casting date and a 1973 VIN stamped on it.

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A warranty engine would not be stamped with the MODEL year.

I'm not buying the WARRANTY claim of the engine above.




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Would a block stamped with an F or G, but NO VIN stamped be an over the counter parts department block or one the factory worker forgot to stamp? TIA
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Over the counter would be stamped S in the model year spot if it were an over the counter long block assembly, S being service replacement ... UNLESS a full engine got pulled for some odd reason.

Short blocks wouldn't get stamped ... I think ... but would have the riveted tag on the side saying what the short assembly build number was for reference.

It is also possible that an engine just didn't get stamped, the lunch or end of shift bell rang and the guy dropped what he was doing and off he went ?

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My 71 SIPACK Challenger has an SPD of 331 yet the block was cast 8/70

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My 71 sixpack Challenger has a casting 7/70 and spd feb 71. Thats within 7 months ....Ok The block in question is in a car for sale and that why we want to be shure. Sounds like a 69 block ina 71 car is not really that unusual... Thanks.

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My 71 sixpack Challenger has a casting 7/70 and spd feb 71. Thats within 7 months ....Ok The block in question is in a car for sale and that why we want to be shure. Sounds like a 69 block ina 71 car is not really that unusual... Thanks.




As I said above there are 2 possible reasons , I would look closely ... IN PERSON ... at the ID pad and VIN pad BEFORE laying out the cash ....

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my 71 BS23V1 - block cast 7/31/69 - engine pad stamp G 440 1 8 HP - spd 05/26/71...

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my 71 BS23V1 - block cast 7/31/69 - engine pad stamp G 440 1 8 HP - spd 05/26/71...




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I have a numbers matching 1971 Charger R/T 440 4 barrel 4 speed

engine cast date 1-28-69
engine build date 8-31-70


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It seems pretty apparent that Mopar had blocks that were used quite often 1-2 years later than cast date. It is likely they were set aside for minor repair or other quality issues and then sent to the plants after repairs were completed. It is surprising some of them were around up to 2 years or so....but seems very likely to me.


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dodge has always had a casting problem,inventory situation , on my ww2 VC military trucks,, the motor casting are backwards,, last block in was first out on production line, they didnt care,, just grab one and go. , when a new casting batch came in, it was placed infront of the left over first batch,, then and NOW there is a gap, when production/assemble started over again.. if someone wants to start a excel spreadsheet,, you can track this, with dates, etc.
we've done this with several, wwii trucks/ jeeps, tanks etc,, its interesting to read the data

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Over the counter would be stamped S in the model year spot if it were an over the counter long block assembly, S being service replacement ... UNLESS a full engine got pulled for some odd reason.

Short blocks wouldn't get stamped ... I think ... but would have the riveted tag on the side saying what the short assembly build number was for reference.

It is also possible that an engine just didn't get stamped, the lunch or end of shift bell rang and the guy dropped what he was doing and off he went ?


Pretty much an accurate assessment stated above here.
Piece from 4 page paperwork that was supposed to go with every short block with rivetted tag

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A bit oily from the ride with the engine...

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dodge has always had a casting problem,inventory situation , on my ww2 VC military trucks,, the motor casting are backwards,, last block in was first out on production line, they didnt care,, just grab one and go. , when a new casting batch came in, it was placed infront of the left over first batch,, then and NOW there is a gap, when production/assemble started over again.. if someone wants to start a excel spreadsheet,, you can track this, with dates, etc.
we've done this with several, wwii trucks/ jeeps, tanks etc,, its interesting to read the data




I had never heard of this with castings but I have read about this same thing happening in the same way with wheels. Apparently they came on pallets and were stored in the assembly plant. When the inventory started getting low, the plant would order more wheels, they would go in front of the existing wheel inventory and then be used before existing inventory. Sooner or later, production would get back into the original inventory and voila', a date gap. The memory is foggy but I seem to remember the article saying that a gap of up to a year (on wheels that were in current production) was not uncommon.


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