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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: Butterscotch71] #1118296
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Did painting the back of the hood also mean painting the cowl area under the vents black sorta of like when they black out behind the grilles.

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Did painting the back of the hood also mean painting the cowl area under the vents black sorta of like when they black out behind the grilles.

Larry




That should be the case, although I believe dark colors did not get the cowl blackout....I' have to check, but I believe the factory engineering docs do indicate which colors did (didn't) require the blackout.


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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: Butterscotch71] #1118298
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Also, I have details for stripes that were never factory installed on cars (obviously discontinued before production).




that would be very interesting to see..
any way to share??

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Did painting the back of the hood also mean painting the cowl area under the vents black sorta of like when they black out behind the grilles.

Larry




That should be the case, although I believe dark colors did not get the cowl blackout....I' have to check, but I believe the factory engineering docs do indicate which colors did (didn't) require the blackout.




The cowl blackout was for all cars, regardless of hood type or hood paint... except for colors listed on the attached drawing.

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Also, I have details for stripes that were never factory installed on cars (obviously discontinued before production).




that would be very interesting to see..
any way to share??




No, sharing is not allowed...

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Also, I have details for stripes that were never factory installed on cars (obviously discontinued before production).




that would be very interesting to see..
any way to share??




No, sharing is not allowed...




Strictly forbidden...

Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: xs29j8] #1118302
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Also, I have details for stripes that were never factory installed on cars (obviously discontinued before production).




that would be very interesting to see..
any way to share??




No, sharing is not allowed...




Strictly forbidden...




Don't try to change my mind...

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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: xs29j8] #1118303
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Also, I have details for stripes that were never factory installed on cars (obviously discontinued before production).




that would be very interesting to see..
any way to share??




No, sharing is not allowed...




Strictly forbidden...




Don't try to change my mind...





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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: xs29j8] #1118304
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On the engineering drawings -
0 = all
**** so the "MODEL" line would read G/R-0-23 1971/Plymouth B-body-ALL-2 door hardtop RM23 (Road Runner) & RS23 (GTX)

$ = extra-cost OPTION

I also agree that the drawing & Plymouth's "intent" was to have the vent area of the "AIR GRABBER" hood (behind the insert) painted with "organisol". The issue that is clouding the topic is V21 or "our" interpretation of what it is.

1 - I can find no evidence of V21 being an orderable OPTION (with or without cost)
2 - It is included with OPTION A87 $85.60 on Road Runners - "Road Runner Decor package"
3 - Road Runners & GTXs were assembled at 3 different plants in '71 - coding differed from plant-to-plant & during the year

Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: 6bblgt] #1118305
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On the engineering drawings -
0 = all

$ = extra-cost OPTION




Thanks Dan! I was fairly sure the "O" meant all, but was not sure what the symbols were or meant... makes sense now tho. Is the symbol before "A93" a "$"...? I guess it would be...

So, in your opinion, does the paint application apply to all A/G equipped cars... at least from a drawing interpretation standpoint, regardless of how it was actually built?

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Did painting the back of the hood also mean painting the cowl area under the vents black sorta of like when they black out behind the grilles.

Larry




That should be the case, although I believe dark colors did not get the cowl blackout....I' have to check, but I believe the factory engineering docs do indicate which colors did (didn't) require the blackout.




The cowl blackout was for all cars, regardless of hood type or hood paint... except for colors listed on the attached drawing.




The note indicates "ORGANISOL HOOD ONLY" - so cowl blackout was on N96 cars ONLY!!

All available '71 colors except - GF7 GB7 GY9 TX9

Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: 6bblgt] #1118307
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Did painting the back of the hood also mean painting the cowl area under the vents black sorta of like when they black out behind the grilles.

Larry




That should be the case, although I believe dark colors did not get the cowl blackout....I' have to check, but I believe the factory engineering docs do indicate which colors did (didn't) require the blackout.




The cowl blackout was for all cars, regardless of hood type or hood paint... except for colors listed on the attached drawing.




The note indicates "ORGANISOL HOOD ONLY" - so cowl blackout was on N96 cars ONLY!!

All available '71 colors except - GF7 GB7 GY9 TX9




I interpreted the note to mean Organisol as an alternate only on Organisol painted hoods... it appears I was mistaken.

Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: 6bblgt] #1118308
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While V21 does not show as a separate line in the pricing guide, it would be very easy to fill in the line on the order sheet (car specification schedule) as it has boxes at the top right for V codes (V with a blank for fill in).
If the logic followed that it was not orderable, no GTXs should have V21 (or all should). I have a 71 Xs in my records that have V21 on the standard hood and some that do not (non-N96 hood indent pinstripes)....both fender tag and broadcast sheet codes. If this was only available with the A87 (ROAD RUNNER decor package) then there should be no way a standard hood GTX would have the pinstripes (or all should if it was standard GTX).
Without getting into the fender tag coding differences between build plants, I can tell you that the V21 code is not dependent on build plant, and I have a good mix of N96 cars from all plants with and without V21 on the tags.

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On the engineering drawings -
0 = all
**** so the "MODEL" line would read G/R-0-23 1971/Plymouth B-body-ALL-2 door hardtop RM23 (Road Runner) & RS23 (GTX)

$ = extra-cost OPTION

I also agree that the drawing & Plymouth's "intent" was to have the vent area of the "AIR GRABBER" hood (behind the insert) painted with "organisol". The issue that is clouding the topic is V21 or "our" interpretation of what it is.

1 - I can find no evidence of V21 being an orderable OPTION (with or without cost)
2 - It is included with OPTION A87 $85.60 on Road Runners - "Road Runner Decor package"
3 - Road Runners & GTXs were assembled at 3 different plants in '71 - coding differed from plant-to-plant & during the year




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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: Butterscotch71] #1118309
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Not to say these were always correct, as they were published before the production start, but here's a photo from the 71 Data Book (courtesy of Hamtramck Historical)



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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: Butterscotch71] #1118310
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After looking very carefully through my database,
I believe the following to be correct for 71s:

GTX
N96 - V21 blackout was standard
non N96 - V21 pinstripes were standard but could be omitted

Road Runner
N96 - V21 blackout was optional (and included in A87)
non N96 - V21 pinstripes were only available with A87


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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: Butterscotch71] #1118311
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While V21 does not show as a separate line in the pricing guide...




Do you have a complete set of supplements?... See Challenger example below.

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While V21 does not show as a separate line in the pricing guide...




Do you have a complete set of supplements?... See Challenger example below.




Yes I have the suppliments for the Satellite line and as I mentioned they do not list V21


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Re: 71 Road Runner / GTX Air Grabber Hood cars- Hood Paint [Re: Moparlar] #1118313
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I looked at my 72 today and it looks like the back of the hood was painted as well as the cowl area inside the hood gasket.

Larry




The 72 V21 is a completely different animal. My car is an example of the '72 V21/V25 stripe code, available only on N96 cars.

Bottom silhouette represents the V21/V25 option:

(photo credit Hamtramck-Historical)

It is my understanding that a 72 should not have the blackout extended to the back of the hood.

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I looked at my 72 today and it looks like the back of the hood was painted as well as the cowl area inside the hood gasket.

Larry




The 72 V21 is a completely different animal. My car is an example of the '72 V21/V25 stripe code, available only on N96 cars.


It is my understanding that a 72 should not have the blackout extended to the back of the hood.




Maybe mine got painted since it is a first week august built car.

Larry

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After looking very carefully through my database,
I believe the following to be correct for 71s:

GTX
N96 - V21 blackout was standard
non N96 - V21 pinstripes were standard but could be omitted

Road Runner
N96 - V21 blackout was optional (and included in A87)
non N96 - V21 pinstripes were only available with A87




Eric, are you saying that even though my car is not coded for V21 on the 2 broadcast sheets I have, it should be painted on my car?

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