Re: W9 or BA MC's
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I do believe there is such a thing as a 59 degree W-9........the push rod clearance is machined in them and the outer bolt bosses are milled off. They are somewhat limited as far as porting due to the material removed from the side of the intake ports for push rod clearance and I believe they were made with guides ( 3/8th valve ) installed. The valley tray could be fabbed from sheet aluminum..........the rest is pretty accurate based on my experience. I have a lot wrapped up in fittings and am still puzzling over a manifold and how to incorporate a thermostat.......or not to bother. Intakes for the tall deck are very pricey and getting hard to find..........expect to drop around 450-500 bucks for a new one. the rockers were under 1,200.00 from T&D......Bought through Competition Products. Ryan hooked me up with lifters , but you may need something different for a 59 degree set up. Ryan / Shady Dell has been a great resource for tips and " how to's " for me on my build. The lifters for the 48 degree were 720.00ish as I recall.
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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Well that S-can's the W9 idea. My whole thought process was to get them and then use them on a 48 degree block down the road, but if it requires that much milling to use on a 59 degree then I may as well just get the Indy's and go from there. Hard to pass up the 500 a piece on the W9's though. Keep seeing them on fleabay. You might both be interested in knowing that the BA MC's I flow tested fit on a 4.030" bore on the flowbench. I believe the intake valve was a 2.125 but it may have been larger. Anyway, I appreciate your time and the information you've both provided. Jason.
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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J, I'm going to go the W-9 rout but I'm saving my penny's to buy the R3 with a 9.600" deck 48* block. I was told that you could buy the 59* W-9 and they will work on a 48* block. The 59* W-9 has all the work already done to them but they will only have 4 bolts not six because they cut the front of the head as well as the valley side. More good news, I have a complete Predator top end and a KB block. 596 coming very soon. I might even get the Duster out a couple times this year with the motor you dynoed. Bob
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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Forget the 59* version of the w9 head, aint worth the hassle and the ruined CSA. Why not instead use a 48* version and put them on a 59 block? You can put them on a 48* block later when you get one.
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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Tubtar, have you considered something along the lines of this http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MOR-63426/ for your thermostat setup?
That is close to what I want to do , but I need to incorporate a 1/2 " NPT for the temp sending unit and am bringing two -6 and one -8 from each head. I am thinking this will be easier with a manifold type of deal that reaches back towards the carb. Plus there will be a front mount distributor in the way , so there has been a fair bit of head scratching on this deal so far.
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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Forget the 59* version of the w9 head, aint worth the hassle and the ruined CSA. Why not instead use a 48* version and put them on a 59 block? You can put them on a 48* block later when you get one.
That might be the way to go, I think all it takes is a different rocker setup or something like that, correct?
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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A 48 degree W9 on a 59 degree block is a mess. Guys need to understand it is not the lifter angle that causes the problems with the ports. It is the lifter spacing which is 1.625" on 48 degree stuff and and 1.875" on a 59. When you use a 59 degree block you put the pushrod into the bottom of the intake runner. You clearance for the pushrod and you ruin much of the benefit of running the heads. Considering the expense of getting a set of 48 degree W9's complete ready to race you are peeing in your cornflakes doing this on a 59 degree block.
Can't understand what the big deal is with getting a good block. I'm giving away a complete shortblock in the for sale section.
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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Can't understand what the big deal is with getting a good block.
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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OR YOU CAN WAIT AND PICK UP A SET OF THE NEW EDELBROCK VICTOR HEADS FOR A 59* SB THEY SAY 350CFM AND NO INDY GONNA DO THAT ON A SB,PROBABLY 1/2 THE PRICE OF THE INDY STUFF AS WELL
Just saw a pair of new Indy 360-1s 245 cnc with the 2.14 intake valve,new proper valve job and bowl blend at a chevy shop just north of here. They went 347@ .700 on his bench. As far as the edelbrocks go, I will believe it when I see it. You may be able to get a big # from them after you spend $1000 with a good head porter. Also I don't think the super Victor intake is even close to the Indy intake, so if you can't adapt the Indy intake, edelbrock is going to have to do some work there also. Just my
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Re: W9 or BA MC's
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Hey Bob! Can you build a small block with a username like yours? I can hardly wait to see the big motor run. I imagine the duster'll be a handful with the 499 so the other will be flat crazy! I'm not going to run W9's on a 59 degree block. It kinda defeats the purpose if I have to cut that much material out of them to fit. I'm just looking for the best heads for the combo I have and it looks like the oval Indy's are getting the nod. By the time I'm done with them they will be closer in size to the rectangle port heads but I want them to be the shape I want them to be. I'm not terribly concerned about the cost of things. It'll just take me longer to get the funds saved up (obviously) if the price of things is up there. This, so far, is what I have: 74 360 block bored .030, pro-gram splayed main caps and a partial fill. Studs on the top end. Scat stage I lightened 4" stroke crank with Scat H-beam rods and ARP2000 bolts. Pro-tru flat top pistons. It's a decent bottom end and I want to use it. Unfortunately, since I no longer have access to a machine shop, my 317 cfm Ede RPM heads won't be able to work as I only managed to finish one port. Besides, what a waste of time. Managed 327 cfm out of the Indy ovals on my first try AND at a lower lift. Anyway, I've known for awhile that the Indy's were what I need to run on this short block. Just need to be realistic and set my rpm ceiling to 7500 which is, I think, within the realm of possible with a 59 degree block and keeping it reliable. Eventually I will be looking for an R3 block and that will be a 48 degree setup. Then I'll start looking for some W9's and go from there. Thank you everyone, for your input. I really appreciate it. Jason.
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