Hemi car production question..
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I always wondered this... Were Hemi cars produced in "batches", like some other package cars(A12's)? I always thought that maybe because there were so few made(relative to other engine options), that there might have been orders taken, then a line was set up to produce a set amount of Hemi cars on dedicated days or production lines? If you think about it, it does make sense because there is so much about the cars mechanicals that aren't shared with any other powertrain, but?? This thought crossed my mind when I looked at the ad for the 71 Hemi Challenger that is on eBay. The VIN is very close to my 71 Hemi R/T and the SPD are the same. Also, I bought the car from the family of the original owner who had died in the 70's. The brother had a very vivid memory of the circumstances surrounding the purchase of the car. He(orig owner), placed the order and there were several delays from the dealer(factory). Was this because they had to take orders and build them in batches? Anyone have any insight?? MB
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I don't know, but I can say there is logic in doing the exact opposite. We purposefully mix things up on the Kenworth production line in order to balance out the workflow. Even fleets of exact trucks (all identical options/colors etc) are spread out.
While I believe you. It seems counterproductive?? I would think that any factory that has a "non conventional" project would be better off doing them at the same time, to not upset the daily production of the "bread and butter" stuff? But hey, what do I know?
MB
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Cars were not built in batches of the same VIN prefix. They occasionally have the same VIN prefix & sheduled production date, but they may have been actually been built thousands of cars apart.
See https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0&fpart=1 for more information.
Interesting....
Then can we assume(as in the case of the two 71 Hemi Cars in the original post), that it was purely a coincidence?.
Great info, as always..
MB
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I don't know, but I can say there is logic in doing the exact opposite. We purposefully mix things up on the Kenworth production line in order to balance out the workflow. Even fleets of exact trucks (all identical options/colors etc) are spread out.
While I believe you. It seems counterproductive?? I would think that any factory that has a "non conventional" project would be better off doing them at the same time, to not upset the daily production of the "bread and butter" stuff? But hey, what do I know?
MB
Well, another reason is when each car is the same people start to make assumptions. Thats dangerous, you want the assemblers referencing the build sheet (we call it build paper) on EVERY car. Few mistakes are made that way. I agree that it seems counter-intuitive.
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An example.
Say that you had ten high option Challenger SEs. Due to the extra trim & equipment, these cars took more time to build.
So.....
If you slip in few plain jane Valiants or Dusters in between the higher end cars, they take less time. This allowed the lines to keep moving at a nice, even rate instead of getting bogged down with the builds that took more time.
True...
I was just thinking that the "jigging" had to be all different for the Hemi cars. K frames, wiring, exhaust, just about everything different. Rather than switch everything around in between, then they can run a bunch at the same time...But, I am saying this with NO experience whatsoever with automobile production assembly lines, so I may be just
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Engine sub assemblies all bolt into the same four holes so as long as the pieces arrived at the right time there should be no delay to the assembly line.
The body arrived with the appropriate'differences' already in place.
If they tried to do them in batches it would throw a real wrench into things if there was a shortage of say the exhaust components, brake boost etc. It would be easier to pull one aside for these problems than a batch of them
I would think the only time we would see batches of similar vehicles was on the first and second day of model year production when company show cars etc were built and there wasn't the same committment to maintaining assembly quotas for the day.
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I would think the only time we would see batches of similar vehicles was on the first and second day of model year production when company show cars etc were built and there wasn't the same committment to maintaining assembly quotas for the day.
The "promo" cars were built later than their typical "801" SPDs. Their paperwork may have been in the "pipeline" prior to the start of production, but the cars were built after the initial slow paced model year break-in period.
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Looking at several of Tim Wellborn's 71 Charger Hemi cars this weekend at the MCACN show, and talking with him, he says he has 5 consecutive number cars, and all of them that he owns are very close together.
I'll "assume" those are all 911 SPD cars from Mr. Norm's. A good percentage of the '71 HEMI Chargers were early model year dealer stock spec'd out for Grand-Spaulding Dodge.
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All good responses and valid points.. It does make you wonder, though. Why was my car delayed in production? It wasn't a new model,so?? Also, I remember vaguely a converstaion I had with Galen G. regarding hemi car production. The subject of the "SPECIAL HANDLING CAR" (on the broadcast sheet)came up and what was the significance of this. He gave me some answer to the effect that all hemi cars were "priority" type vehicles where a bit more attention to detail was paid. To what extent is anyones guess. My car also has the Y code checked off for "Show car finish".. GG said many hemi cars had this and it didnt really mean anything other than maybe a supervisor needed to pay closer attention...These are the situations where it would be cool to have a Moparts member that was actually in the Hamtramck facility ar the time to give a clear explanation... Any other input? MB
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From everything I've read over the years the '66-'71 street Hemis were considered normal production cars built on the line along side everything else. These weren't specialty cars like the Hemi Darts, Superbirds, Daytona Chargers, or Charger 500's. When you think of it, there are really very few parts that were Hemi only.
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From everything I've read over the years the '66-'71 street Hemis were considered normal production cars built on the line along side everything else. These weren't specialty cars like the Hemi Darts, Superbirds, Daytona Chargers, or Charger 500's. When you think of it, there are really very few parts that were Hemi only.
And a Convertible was probably a BIGGER change to deal with than hemi vs other engines, maybe even A/C too.
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From everything I've read over the years the '66-'71 street Hemis were considered normal production cars built on the line along side everything else. These weren't specialty cars like the Hemi Darts, Superbirds, Daytona Chargers, or Charger 500's. When you think of it, there are really very few parts that were Hemi only.
That is the way it was. The only batching that would go on other then the special cars that were already noted was in the paint area and convt's, if possible. Even today convt's go into a unique cell because of the time it takes to install the top mechanism and general complexity of the configuration.
Then why bother with the "SPECIAL HANDLING" instructions on the broadcast?
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This quote also taken from the wing warriors site.
When asked about the order of the cars coming down the assembly line James told us: "You might have two or three [Hemi cars] in a row, might have two or three in an hour, and some days you might only get one for the whole day. It all depends on what they ordered-that's the way we got them. Trim was supposed to mix up the models of cars so we didn't have two in a row. Running two big high-performance Hemis or 440s, Sixpacks-running a couple of those in a row just tore the line up. You weren't set for manpower to run them like that.
My favorite:
The worst accident I ever saw was in the disk plant when they first started using a robot. I'd never seen a robot in my life. I went over one time and one of the guys took me over and showed me a car and said, "One of those damned robots ate a car!" And you oughta have seen that. It looked like it had been run over by a freight train! I guess they programmed it wrong. It was a two-door car coming down and it [robot] had been programmed for a four-door or a station wagon and that sucker just kept eating on that car and it was tore all to hell. You couldn't believe how it was tore up! They demolished that car-they cut that one up-couldn't fix it."
Another thing that happened once, there was a compact type of car that went through the plant and it was a 4-door on one side and a 2-door on the other side. Boy, I wish I had that car! It was done more or less as a joke but when it got to the Final line, the plant manager didn't think it was so funny.
"Most of the Hemi cars were well-tested and a little broken-in by the time they were loaded onto the transport!"
When they fired up the Hemi cars for the first time, they'd backfire and you could hear them all the way up in the Paint department.
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I always wondered this...
He(orig owner), placed the order and there were several delays from the dealer(factory). Was this because they had to take orders and build them in batches?
Anyone have any insight??
MB
Hi,
I do have a 70 Hemi Bee with the same story. Car was ordered in march and has an SPD of 622 in STL. I have collected infos of 70 Hemi Bees but no other one was buillt around the time of my Bee.
Carsten
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