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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Aspen7695] #1116260
11/19/11 12:30 AM
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For the love of God...........Fred Flintstone had T.B.I.
He is dead on regarding performance and the perception that they will get better mileage.
It still takes X amount of fuel to make Y amount of power and unless they address distribution , there will be no improvement in fuel economy.
If they used direct port or tuned port injection , you would probably realize some gains in this area.
But they have their carbureted engines pretty well science'd out I think and they would be starting fresh with throttle body injection.

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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Steve1118] #1116261
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The creation of fuel injection was and still is for emissions purposes only. So if it's a move to TBI then it's politics and has no place in motorsports for TBI offers no performance gains over carburetion.

Some horsepower will be found with PFI for it will allow for a dry manifold. Dry manifolds allow for experimentation in runner length, shape, and area which has a direct effect on ramming; thus the tune will be dependant upon the runner design. The race teams will find themselves running different manifolds for different tracks the same as they do with gearing, shocks, alignment, etc.

It's about to get alot more expensive for no good reason.

Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: justinp61] #1116262
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Typical nascar nazi response . There is a reason why you see so many empty seats when the cameras pan.



Absolutely 100% correct. They caved to the Lefty's and green weenies a long long time ago. I haven't watched in over 10 years. I used to go to the races but all of the cars are the same. They also want to ban Rebel flags at the tracks as this is not politcally correct for them anymore. I'd rather watch local dirt trackers these days....


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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Moparteacher] #1116263
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one simple law suit from a driver with enough balls to file a 1st amendment suit against them would stop this crap.

Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Quicktree] #1116264
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I guess in theory it could reduce fuel consumption in its ability to completely turn off fuel flow under deceleration.. However I would think that would work under sudden and complete throttle release when carbs go rich...however again... I don't see much sudden throttle release on the telemetry... more of a easing off the throttle. Shutting off fuel flow abruptly under those conditions would surely upset the chassis.
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Oh wait a minute, this is about the fine, not the technology...Sorry
As far as the fine goes...yeah that's retarded...

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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Curt] #1116265
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TBI is 80's technology, Brad is right on the mark.
Interesting that Brad supports the military and the fact that they have protected freedom of speech for almost everyone in the USA. I guess the rest speaks for itself.

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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1116266
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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: badblack68] #1116267
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Carbs are dirt cheap, and work well. No big secret. About the only way to police EFI would be a sealed unit the sanctioning body would provide that you can then program to your car. Otherwise the EFI could conceivably be used for traction control and who knows what else. It definitely will not be cheaper than carbs, count on it.
The biggest problem to me is the censorship. Just too much control.


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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: gregsdart] #1116268
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Carbs are dirt cheap, and work well. No big secret. About the only way to police EFI would be a sealed unit the sanctioning body would provide that you can then program to your car. Otherwise the EFI could conceivably be used for traction control and who knows what else. It definitely will not be cheaper than carbs, count on it.
The biggest problem to me is the censorship. Just too much control.




Not only that, but you know the teams with lots of $$$ like Hendrick and Roush will have figured out ways to "massage" the system better than the teams with less monies. Look at how long Hendrick had a stranglehold after they adopted the COT until the other teams (finally) caught up.

Any major change means the teams with the most money will figure it out first and exploit it. It's the exact opposite of "cost savings to the competitors". The best R&D wins.

Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Quicktree] #1116269
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so much for the First Amendment




the first amendment is fine and well. the problem is that our society has become so "politically correct" that people are now scorned (or fined or fired) for speaking their minds.
we have the right to voice just about anything we want, but suffering the consequences is a beotch sometimes.
the first amendment guarantess free speech but offers no guarantee there won't be reprisal for doing so.
oh, and for the record, i think that fine is bullcrap. more like a money grab.


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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Performance Only] #1116270
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I wouldn't be surprised to find out that all the EFI throttle bodies will only be made by one mandated company....that has some "investors" with NASCAR connections.

Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: NV69B7RR] #1116271
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I gave up watching Nascar when they regulated the HEMI out of competition because ford and gm could not compete. Its a gm race now with a few "off brand" cars winning once in a while.Nascar mandates everything that you use on the car for that reason.Tony Stewart can't win in a Toyota but can win in a chevy,right!

Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: cudaman1969] #1116272
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Don't worry, he'll get a lot more fines for his driving than his yakking.


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Re: Brad Keselowski fined $25K for comments... [Re: Guitar Jones] #1116273
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I feel the opposite, I wish NHRA would go to EFI for Pro Stock. Carbs are old tech, as is NASCAR itself. I'd love to have EFI on my car but I don't have the coin right now. Someday though it will.




My question would be, how would you police it? I am betting that is one of the key reasons nascar and prostock still use carbs. Its alot easier to police and tech a carb, then it would be a bunch of digital controllers.




You don't police it, just like NHRA does with EFI stockers. Let them do what ever they want.




You don't watch much NASCAR do you...




Truthfully no I don't. I can appreciate the effort they put into it but frankly I find it boring. I don't watch much NHRA on TV either. I'm a horrible spectator.




Same here. I just dont find it interesting enough to watch anymore.

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