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...about EFI. I wonder if NHRA does the same thing with malcontents?
MIAMI BEACH, Fla. -- People familiar with the punishment say NASCAR has fined Brad Keselowski for comments he made criticizing electronic fuel injection.
The people spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because NASCAR did not publicize the fine.
NASCAR has been privately punishing drivers for making disparaging remarks about the series over the last two years.
The fine is believed to be $25,000.
Keselowski said last week during an appearance at the NASCAR Hall of Fame that the move to fuel injection is "a disaster." He also said NASCAR was pressured into moving from carburetors to EFI by "green initiatives" and called the process "a media circus."
NASCAR in the past quietly fined Ryan Newman for criticizing racing at Talladega, and Denny Hamlin for posts he made on Twitter.
"Because of all the green initiatives, the sport has taken a lot of flak from different groups..." Keselowski said. "I think they've been pressured into (switching to EFI) by the green initiatives. But in reality, it's no more efficient than what we have, and it costs a lot more money."
After his Q&A session, Keselowski met with a group of reporters who followed up on his comments. Not surprisingly, the oft-blunt driver didn't back off from his position in the slightest and indicated he would have preferred NASCAR stick to carburetors.
Keselowski said the switch to EFI was "absolutely" being made for public relations purposes.
"We're not doing this because it's better for the sport or better for the teams," he said. "I don't even think we're really going to save any gas.
"It gives them something to promote. And we're always looking for something to promote. But (the) honest answer is it does nothing for the sport except cost the team owners money."
In addition to the added cost, Keselowski said he's found the EFI car has less throttle response and the difficulty in starting the engine is bothersome.
Told NASCAR will likely be upset with his comments, Keselowski acknowledged the possibility of an angry phone call.
"I'm sure I will (get a call)," he said. "But that's the honest part of it. I think it's a disaster."
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I feel the opposite, I wish NHRA would go to EFI for Pro Stock. Carbs are old tech, as is NASCAR itself. I'd love to have EFI on my car but I don't have the coin right now. Someday though it will.
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I feel the opposite, I wish NHRA would go to EFI for Pro Stock. Carbs are old tech, as is NASCAR itself. I'd love to have EFI on my car but I don't have the coin right now. Someday though it will.
My question would be, how would you police it? I am betting that is one of the key reasons nascar and prostock still use carbs. Its alot easier to police and tech a carb, then it would be a bunch of digital controllers.
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I feel the opposite, I wish NHRA would go to EFI for Pro Stock. Carbs are old tech, as is NASCAR itself. I'd love to have EFI on my car but I don't have the coin right now. Someday though it will.
My question would be, how would you police it? I am betting that is one of the key reasons nascar and prostock still use carbs. Its alot easier to police and tech a carb, then it would be a bunch of digital controllers.
You don't police it, just like NHRA does with EFI stockers. Let them do what ever they want.
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I feel the opposite, I wish NHRA would go to EFI for Pro Stock. Carbs are old tech, as is NASCAR itself. I'd love to have EFI on my car but I don't have the coin right now. Someday though it will.
My question would be, how would you police it? I am betting that is one of the key reasons nascar and prostock still use carbs. Its alot easier to police and tech a carb, then it would be a bunch of digital controllers.
You don't police it, just like NHRA does with EFI stockers. Let them do what ever they want.
You don't watch much NASCAR do you... 
Truthfully no I don't. I can appreciate the effort they put into it but frankly I find it boring. I don't watch much NHRA on TV either. I'm a horrible spectator.
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I thought the reason Brad was complaining about the EFI was it didn't work as good as a carb.
It is more like the old throttle-body than the modern EFI that is on the cars now.
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"Cars on the street are injected with real electronics, not (just) a throttle body (as NASCAR is mandating).
"So we've managed to go from 50-year-old technology to 35-year-old technology.
"I don't see what the big deal is."
A quick run through the NASCAR garage Friday morning found general support for Keselowski's viewpoint. "Telling the truth," one of this season's winning crew chiefs said, of course now with the admonition not to use his name because of worries about being fined himself.
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Anyone can feel the way they want about the EFI vs carb deal...personally, I think he's right..all it does is cost money.
But, I think the bigger issue here is the $25K fine for having the opinion and voicing it. I find that very, very, scary.
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I thought the reason Brad was complaining about the EFI was it didn't work as good as a carb.
It is more like the old throttle-body than the modern EFI that is on the cars now.
Found a quote from Brad
"Cars on the street are injected with real electronics, not (just) a throttle body (as NASCAR is mandating).
"So we've managed to go from 50-year-old technology to 35-year-old technology.
"I don't see what the big deal is."
A quick run through the NASCAR garage Friday morning found general support for Keselowski's viewpoint. "Telling the truth," one of this season's winning crew chiefs said, of course now with the admonition not to use his name because of worries about being fined himself.
Well if that is the case then he's totally correct. It's nothing but pandering by CRAPCAR. But that isn't anything new for them.
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Just like NHRA, NASCAR likes to micro-manage - to put it lightly. 
Yep! There is no getting away from that. I much prefer IHRA to NHRA but I have to live with the cards that are dealt...
BTW, saw you at the SSSSA race at Speedeworld but was tied up and didn't get a chance to say hello. Then the car broke on the first pass and the day was a waste... How'd you do?
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I guess in theory it could reduce fuel consumption in its ability to completely turn off fuel flow under deceleration.. However I would think that would work under sudden and complete throttle release when carbs go rich...however again... I don't see much sudden throttle release on the telemetry... more of a easing off the throttle. Shutting off fuel flow abruptly under those conditions would surely upset the chassis.
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Oh wait a minute, this is about the fine, not the technology...Sorry
As far as the fine goes...yeah that's retarded...
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Carbs are dirt cheap, and work well. No big secret. About the only way to police EFI would be a sealed unit the sanctioning body would provide that you can then program to your car. Otherwise the EFI could conceivably be used for traction control and who knows what else. It definitely will not be cheaper than carbs, count on it.
The biggest problem to me is the censorship. Just too much control.
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Carbs are dirt cheap, and work well. No big secret. About the only way to police EFI would be a sealed unit the sanctioning body would provide that you can then program to your car. Otherwise the EFI could conceivably be used for traction control and who knows what else. It definitely will not be cheaper than carbs, count on it.
The biggest problem to me is the censorship. Just too much control.
Not only that, but you know the teams with lots of $$$ like Hendrick and Roush will have figured out ways to "massage" the system better than the teams with less monies. Look at how long Hendrick had a stranglehold after they adopted the COT until the other teams (finally) caught up.
Any major change means the teams with the most money will figure it out first and exploit it. It's the exact opposite of "cost savings to the competitors". The best R&D wins.
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I feel the opposite, I wish NHRA would go to EFI for Pro Stock. Carbs are old tech, as is NASCAR itself. I'd love to have EFI on my car but I don't have the coin right now. Someday though it will.
My question would be, how would you police it? I am betting that is one of the key reasons nascar and prostock still use carbs. Its alot easier to police and tech a carb, then it would be a bunch of digital controllers.
You don't police it, just like NHRA does with EFI stockers. Let them do what ever they want.
You don't watch much NASCAR do you...
Truthfully no I don't. I can appreciate the effort they put into it but frankly I find it boring. I don't watch much NHRA on TV either. I'm a horrible spectator.
Same here. I just dont find it interesting enough to watch anymore.
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. There is a reason why you see so many empty seats when the cameras pan.
