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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: dusturbd340W5]
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11/14/11 10:26 PM
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CA DMV sells overweight, overhieght and overlength permits every day they are open, maybe sommebody wanted to avoid the specail permit fees versus standard out of state day at a time fees   CA DMV does have weird "Kingpin" length rules that affect the axle placement versus the pin on the trailer, NHRA racers have been busted for that in the past  The Budwieser King drag race trailers got busted for that a long time ago, around the mid 1980 or 1990s, coming back down south from a race at Infineonn
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: moparts]
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11/14/11 11:17 PM
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Why would any race team buy a trailer that is know to be illegal ?
This same problem has been going on for years, you figure by now they would all meat the law to the inch
I like mine medium, with A-1.
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Quicktree]
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11/14/11 11:21 PM
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With all due respect to the race teams, they should know what the laws are before you buy something that will get you in trouble. Just because Indiana ignores their own laws, doesn't mean another state has too. I agree California is making it hard, but maybe the teams have been warned before and they have gotten tired of it.
Partially what is wrong with this country is selective enforcement of laws depending on who you are. 
better yet just screw CA. just refuse to race there
Your joking, right? The track where the last race of the season occurs, and you're going to tell your sponsors, "I ain't a gonna' go. Those gol' dang troopers can read a tape measure." Really? 
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Leigh]
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11/14/11 11:28 PM
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In the thread on YB about this there was a really good post from a guy who owns a trucking company in CA explaining the law and why Torrence couldn't get a permit. A lot of the issue was that the axles on the trailer are too far back from the kingpin, and overall length.
He would have been fine if he would have kept his mouth shut and hired a day cab to pull his trailer from the state line to Pomona.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Frito]
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11/15/11 12:55 AM
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There is a Federal Law that sets the standard. look in the US Code it is covered in detail there.
BUT the way our Constitution is written each State has the Right to Add to those laws as they see fit, but not take away from. therefore writing their own laws in conjunction with the Fed Law.
Last time I read the law on size for vehicle 53' was the Max period. That was in the Federal Law (US Code). Anything beyond that requires a special permit.
Just like all of us weekenders running around with triple axle enclosed trailers that gross over 10k lbs. Your Illegal by US Code without the right license. Class-A equivilent for your state.
Not many states actually write their own Laws when it comes to this topic. Most just use what is in the US Code and their own interpretation of it. Some even go as far as a guide on how to interpret these Fed Laws for their Enforcers.
So if you are worried you might get nailed or want the laws changed or clarified try talking to your Senator/Congress-person. It won't be the first time there has been a push for it.
Last edited by DakFink; 11/15/11 12:57 AM.
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Dodgeguy101]
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11/15/11 08:53 AM
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With all due respect to the race teams, they should know what the laws are before you buy something that will get you in trouble.
BINGO!
Illegal is illegal.
Don't whine when you get caught.
Think about the 1000 times you got away with it...
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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11/15/11 11:38 AM
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I am wondering why only one team was affected.
READ the O/P:
The word I'm getting from the Left Coast is there are 67 trailers sitting at the Fairplex which are over-length. And the word is going around CalTrans will be sitting at the gates, Sunday afternoon. NHRA claims they have tried to find a work-around with CalTrans, but CalTrans says they are not going to adjust a long-standing law. If racers want to come to Cali with a 56' trailer, they're either going to have to transport it from the state line to race track on a lowboy, or they are going to have to haul everything in by rail. You can haul a 56' trailer around on the streets of Pomona, but you cannot haul it down the freeway.
But isn't the lowboy over 56ft long and now it's over height , how do they get it out of the state ?
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
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11/15/11 12:18 PM
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But isn't the lowboy over 56ft long and now it's over height , how do they get it out of the state ?
That is what is so outragious and rediculous about it. So towing a 56 foot trailer is such a hazzard that it has to be stopped in its tracks and forcibly and immediatly removed from the state. On an even longer trailer. 
The law is the law and must be obeyed to the letter? Come on, if that were true every single one of us would be serving life in prison. We all push the limits, because there are too many laws.
3' over-length. Thats 5%. If you were speeding by 5%, say 42 in a 40 zone, should they aprehend you and force you to leave the state?
With thousands of unsolved murders, assalts, robberies, burglaries, etc. happening every month, is this how law enforcement resources should be wasted? 
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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11/15/11 01:49 PM
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I am wondering why only one team was affected.
READ the O/P:
The word I'm getting from the Left Coast is there are 67 trailers sitting at the Fairplex which are over-length. And the word is going around CalTrans will be sitting at the gates, Sunday afternoon. NHRA claims they have tried to find a work-around with CalTrans, but CalTrans says they are not going to adjust a long-standing law. If racers want to come to Cali with a 56' trailer, they're either going to have to transport it from the state line to race track on a lowboy, or they are going to have to haul everything in by rail. You can haul a 56' trailer around on the streets of Pomona, but you cannot haul it down the freeway.
My question now is how did the other trailers get out of the state?
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Re: Whay has this been kept so quiet
[Re: Twostick]
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11/15/11 07:08 PM
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I really don't see what is so hard to understand here. New 56' semi-trailers are not legal on the Interstate system ANYWHERE as far as federal rules go. A very few states will allow them on STATE highways only but AFAIK those are grandfathered trailers built before the Feds mandated length. The reason California or any other jurisdiction for that matter won't write a special permit for anything other than a specialized trailer (those haulers are seen as just a dry van)is because every freight company on the planet would be hauling 60' trailers around on permits.
It's pretty simple 53' max length, 41' max kingpin.
Kevin
California even has a different law for this..  That's why they have a split axle..
Length - Combinations: Combination vehicles coupled together, such as a truck tractor and semi-trailer, or a truck tractor, semi-trailer and trailer, are limited to 65 feet, or 75 feet, or may be unlimited depending on the route. In addition, legal trucks in California must not exceed a kingpin-to-rear-axle (KPRA) length of 40 feet . Truck lengths are illustrated on this web page: "Truck Map Legend": http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trucks/truckmap/truck-legend.pdf. Truck lengths and routes are discussed in more detail in the Caltrans web page: Truck Size & Routes.
Chris.. 
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that CA/dot has stupid rules.. years ago I was running team. My co driver and I were headed to Sac and had switched drivers at 1 AM in Nevada. Our log books reflected this. When we hit the scales outside Sac around 5:30 AM my co driver was red lighted. He went in with the permit book and log book. The officer gave him a log book ticket and made me get out of the sleeper.He gave me the same ticket. Claimed that our log books wernt up to date..
