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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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(Quote) if you care the PH3600 is the small diameter full length version... and that explains why I can put the ph8 on our 2000 mini van. 
I have mechanical Aptitude.
I can screw up anything.
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/14/11 08:25 AM
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The big retailers, Advance, Autozone, etc., tend to buy their products based on price. If it's cheap, they buy it. NAPA on the other hand, tends to buy product that meets and often exceeds OE specs. NAPA also checks what they buy to make sure it meets their specifications. The retailers usually do not.
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/14/11 08:54 AM
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The big retailers, Advance, Autozone, etc., tend to buy their products based on price. If it's cheap, they buy it. NAPA on the other hand, tends to buy product that meets and often exceeds OE specs. NAPA also checks what they buy to make sure it meets their specifications. The retailers usually do not.
If that's true, then are WIX filters bought at the big retailers different than the ones from the NAPA dealers?
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/14/11 09:04 AM
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I find it amusing thinking that 1/2 the oil filter "experts" who make adamant unconditional opinions here probably couldn't even rebuild a Briggs & Stratton... "Nothing is more dangerous than a man who read a book once"  Reminds me of the Corvette forums where 9/10ths of the members wouldn't know which end of a screwdriver to use will run epic threads on "best waxing procedures". Not one person has asked timcuda about his 440 or how it will be used. Once a week to the Dairy Queen car show? Sub 11 all out runs every weekend? I'll take a shot at the fact that he could buy the cheapest oil filter at Walmart on sale and his engine would not be affected one iota. YES! I know there have been threads opinionating what a POS the cheapest Fram is. If I had one on the shelf while doing an oil change on my DD, I wouldn't hesitate a second to put it on.
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/14/11 09:27 AM
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I have used many Frams over the years, the 440 I bought in 2005 had one on it. I started the new motor with it on it and replaced it at the first oil change. For the last 10+ years or so I have been using Hastings filters because I know the local sales rep. I maintain about 20 vehicles for a living plus many small engines and off road equipment. FWIW I only replace filters every other oil change most times, my 
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/14/11 10:16 AM
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I have always used Fram. Never used anything on my Slant to 440 cars except the PH8A. I know that my oil gets changed once a year because I probably put 500 to 1000 miles on it in that span of time. I know it oxidizes. When I do an oil change I want to use a good filter because using a cheap one just doesn't do it for me. I thought Fram was an okay brand. I saw what people here said and although I never had a problem, I didn't want to become a future statistic.
I am probably the only person on this board that uses a MANN filter. Its the same size as a PH8A. It costs about $8 a filter. Heavy diesel trucks use them in Europe. I was going to go for a Napa Gold or Wix but I can't remember which of the two had the problem of not having an Anti-drainback valve. I'd like to have my oil filter full when cranking my engine. Plus its nice to have a product from an ISO 9001 company
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
[Re: Commando1]
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11/14/11 02:45 PM
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I find it amusing thinking that 1/2 the oil filter "experts" who make adamant unconditional opinions here probably couldn't even rebuild a Briggs & Stratton...
"Nothing is more dangerous than a man who read a book once"
Reminds me of the Corvette forums where 9/10ths of the members wouldn't know which end of a screwdriver to use will run epic threads on "best waxing procedures".
Not one person has asked timcuda about his 440 or how it will be used.
Once a week to the Dairy Queen car show?
Sub 11 all out runs every weekend?
I'll take a shot at the fact that he could buy the cheapest oil filter at Walmart on sale and his engine would not be affected one iota.
YES! I know there have been threads opinionating what a POS the cheapest Fram is. If I had one on the shelf while doing an oil change on my DD, I wouldn't hesitate a second to put it on.
The guy asks a question and another uses the forum for a "soapbox" oration on how He feels about reading vs doing.( and without sound documentation attempts to insult 1/2 the site members) What has that got to do about recommending a good oil filter? I've read that putting a 357 magnum to one's temple and pulling the trigger will most likely blow one's brains out..seems logical but I'm not going to try it. And it doesnt't make Me an "expert" on the subject because (per His logic) I never did it.  
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/14/11 11:09 PM
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Nobody...NOBODY loves to save $$ than the factory... So why does a factory Mopar filter have nearly twice the filter media than the recommended Fram?
Good point!
And the answer is "Because if the engine fails the manufacturer pays the warranty".
No one said every Fram filter will fail. It's just that for a couple of bucks, why take a chance.
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/15/11 06:28 AM
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You can do search here, or look for bob is the oil guy.com
The HP filters may be okay, but the standard Frams are proven to be the bottom of the barrel in quality and performance. 
Are the HP1 filters made better than a standard orange Fram?
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/15/11 09:48 AM
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You can do search here, or look for bob is the oil guy.com
The HP filters may be okay, but the standard Frams are proven to be the bottom of the barrel in quality and performance.
Are the HP1 filters made better than a standard orange Fram?
Nothing to fear from the HP1, or any of the HP series, but they are racing filters and the filter media will have a larger micron rating.
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Re: Fram oil filter. Where have I been?
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11/15/11 10:02 AM
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WIX, Fram, NAPA, etc... All of them utilize paper filter media. The manufacturing of paper filter media is not exact. As much as 40% of the filtering area of paper oil filters filter nothing at all, as in the filter is 40% blocked right out of the box.Plus, how does paper respond to moisture? Right, it absorbs it. What does paper filter media do when it absorbs moisture from engine condensation and then it gets really cold outside. Yep! It freezes. Now your paper filter that was 40% blocked when new is now frozen and is really blocked. Now you have a completely worthless oil filter that's in bypass mode at cold engine start-up until it thaws out. Do yourself a favor, do your engine a favor and throw out the paper oil filter. Then look for a micro-glass or better yet, a nano-glass oil filter. Previously only available in commercial and industrial applications, glass filter media technology has made it's way to the car and light truck market. Seriously, research it. Start here if you like: http://www.youtube.com/user/ckermit8
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