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2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? #1109983
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I haven't had a chance to discuss this with Jeff(MCH)yet...but,was wondering if replacing the 2.14 intakes with the 2.19's would help...or hurt the driveability and torque output of my 440? Have ANY of you done this?...what were the results?...GOOD,or BAD. Thanks in advance,guys! Randy B.

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Labratt] #1109984
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I don't think it would hurt but the question should be how much would it help and worth the $.

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: viperblue72] #1109985
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Chad..2 very good questions! Would the performance gain be worth the $$$$???

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Labratt] #1109986
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Chad..2 very good questions! Would the performance gain be worth the $$$$???


I`m having it done on my home ported rpm`s and Pettis and a few others think it is worth the $$$ as long as the rest of the port can support it. If I get 8-10 cfm(16-20 hp),I`ll be good with that cos I need every hp I can get to get my 9.78 timeslip.


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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Thumperdart] #1109987
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as long as the rest of the port can support it. If I get 8-10 cfm(16-20 hp),I`ll be good with that cos I need every hp I can get to get my 9.78 timeslip.




Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Labratt] #1109988
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Randy, the Bulldog heads that are on my engine have 2.19/1.81 valves..they are ported and have been flowed...we even milled the heads for 72cc chambers to get a 12.8 compression..the cam was cut to take advantage of the flow numbers..

the larger the opening, the more that's going to get in and duration of course is how long you let all that in and so on...you already knew that...

Im going to say..have the largest valve cut in..

so to take advantage you may need a new cam as well... definitely flow the heads...

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: smokinwoody] #1109989
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Are you going to have Jeff mill the heads a little to raise the comp, i had him do mine, as my old engine was overcammed and i didn't have any room to advance but there may be benefits there for you.
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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: deaks] #1109990
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Randy...Chad brings up a valid point..I don't know what the cost would be by adding new valves an a port job. I thought about that a while back and like Brad H said for my heads it just wouldn't be worth the cost factor. My heads were done by Radar at R&J Performance and he also says that it isn't worth doing. I realize that our engines are different...Used Eddy rpms still bring pretty good money,Perhaps you could get a deal on some Indy EZs....I would love to do that myself but the last frost we had here killed the money tree!! Good luck on what you decide!!


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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: tboomer] #1109991
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don't forget t make sure your pistons valve reliefs will handle the 2.190 valve radially. some do, some don't.


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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Performance Only] #1109992
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I have some 1.88 stainless exhaust valves I ordered and didnt end up using (Switched to 440-1's) . If your interested send me a PM.

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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Labratt] #1109993
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My ... you won't notice the difference anywhere except for your bank balance. Unless Jeff K says differently (and his experience obviously far exceeds mine), your combination isn't going to see a significant benefit from a increase in valve size.

And if you don't spend the additional $$$ on bigger valves, that'll leave you w/ that much more $$$ to buy a new carburator (unless you've already made that purchase).

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: BradH] #1109994
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My ... you won't notice the difference anywhere except for your bank balance. Unless Jeff K says differently (and his experience obviously far exceeds mine), your combination isn't going to see a significant benefit from a increase in valve size.

And if you don't spend the additional $$$ on bigger valves, that'll leave you w/ that much more $$$ to buy a new carburator (unless you've already made that purchase).





Leave the 2.14's in there and save for a new carb

I'd also have MCH flow a few ports before & after to see what improvement you could/should expect with the cnc work



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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Labratt] #1109995
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I haven't had a chance to discuss this with Jeff(MCH)yet...but,was wondering if replacing the 2.14 intakes with the 2.19's would help...or hurt the driveability and torque output of my 440? Have ANY of you done this?...what were the results?...GOOD,or BAD. Thanks in advance,guys! Randy B.




I don't think the 2.19 valves will do ANYTHING.

......but HELP.

I put 2.25 intakes in my Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and they flowed 341 cfm @ .700". The little 451 stroker made 534.9 lb-ft of torque @ 3,500 rpm, 574.0 lb-ft @ 7,200 rpm and 786.9 HP. Oh......all motor, 11.7:1 on 93 octane (the 10% ethanol stuff). Runs fine on 91 octane too.

Big valves work. But what the heck do I know, I live in a town of 909 people, elevation 5280' and the darn deer won't leave my back porch!

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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: firefighter3931] #1109996
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You all have good points, well taken! Thanks for your opinions! Brad,Ronnie..I still have to purchase a carb. Do you think a 950 is still the way to go...even with increased air flow,after getting the heads CNC'd??? I'll be checking the P/V clearance shortly,and would like to increase the CR..if the clearances allow it! I'd still like to keep it pump gas friendly,and wonder if 11.5-12:1 will work? Currently,it's at 10:25. THANKS again in advance for your opinions! Randy B.

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: LaRoy Engines] #1109997
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Some good info here..But how the heck did you get 2.25 valves into an rpm head? Thanks!! Ted (Sorry,Randy,for the Hi-jack)


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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: tboomer] #1109998
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I'd call Patrick and get you a tweaked Pro-Systems 1000hp 4150, I have 2 of them (one on my 517BB and one on my 414SB) and they are night and day over an OOTB unit for not much more $$$.

As said the 2.19 will tend to pick up the mid range and on a big block they would typically have a similar effect on torque to running a 4-8 degree larger @.200 duration cam. The gains on a conventional height BB port tend to be limited by the short turn and low runner height, not to mention the relatively poor valve to piston wall (shrouding) clearance, so a bigger valve doesn't always help as much (% gain) on a BB standard port head as you might see with a raised port Max Wedge.

I've run 2.25's in an old set of 67' 915's but it was tight and if I didn't notch the bores I doubt it would have helped at all over a 2.19.


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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: tboomer] #1109999
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No problemo,Mr. Ted! 2.25 intake in a Performer RPM head???

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: Labratt] #1110000
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Carb choice... are you still saying your carb budget is limited to $400-500 like when I offered to sell you the BG RS Demon that I lent you over the summer for $700? Or have you decided to open up the wallet a little wider for a carb now that you're also going to (a) paint the car, (b) get the heads ported and (c) whatever else you're thinking about doing <this week>?

Sorry, couldn't help myself...

Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: BradH] #1110001
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I would love to see Jeff at Modern or Dwayne Porter hop in on this thread. I am sure they have both done this and could tell you what to expect!!


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Re: 2.19 INTAKE VALVE IN EDDY PERFORMERS??? [Re: tboomer] #1110002
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Don't hold your breath waiting for Dwayne to chime in, considering he's pretty much checked out from this place AND Randy's already talking w/ Jeff about having him do the work anyway.

I would be interested in hearing from Jeff when he'd recommend going w/ the bigger intake valve vs. not.

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