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BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? #1109418
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Can someone refresh my memory,and tell me who sells the bottom-end girdle kit? Also...can I get some input..good..or bad on it? I'm thinking of buying one in the future. Thanks in advance! Randy B.

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1109419
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the one I am using is from CRE...the engine is a 499 and was just broke in with 3 runs...havent run the engine in years but will be going into my 63 Dodge project to see some street duty...

the other one is BCR...thats the best one going...he said he's looking for another machine shop to produce these...


Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: smokinwoody] #1109420
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I think you do have to go to main studs which means you have to have it line bored on the mains.


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Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: dragram440] #1109421
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imo, any girdle is a good idea on any bb mopar. i've installed a bunch of 'em from various suppliers- chenoweth, source, mancini, bcr. i prefer the drop in units. the bcr was a lot of work, as the machine shops in my area were unable to handle the machine work necessary. it is a very nice piece, but overkill in my estimation.


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Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: maximum entropy] #1109422
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i use the one from mike at chenoweth,bolts right in

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Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: bonefish] #1109423
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the one i found is from chenoweth girdles. the phone # is 626-869-0270. it was on racing junk awhile back. i hope this helps!sorry i don't have anymore info! the price was 425.00.

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the one i found is from chenoweth girdles. the phone # is 626-869-0270. it was on racing junk awhile back. i hope this helps!sorry i don't have anymore info! the price was 425.00.




thats CRE....yeah the studs and all the fastners come with it...be kinda expensive just for a metal plate...

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: smokinwoody] #1109425
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How much clearance between the oil pan and center drag link with the girdle installed?

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: nss guy] #1109426
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Randy,
I have the BCR kit, alum caps & girdle.Nice peice,hopefully Greg chimes in for ya.








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if you are going to use a girdle, the only one worth buying is the bcr piece in my opinion.

It is more machine work, but when its all said and done, you look at it and say with out question that it will help.

I run one on my motor labratt....remember, stock block and 1300hp

It also comes with the aluminum main caps, the girdle ties the pan rail to the main caps (all of them) and is a top notch piece.

I actually tried to purchase the BCR product line from Greg, I was such a firm believer in it.

Becareful of the type that use washers and spacers to make up the difference between the mains and the pan rail as those really dont do what you are looking to accomplish

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How much clearance between the oil pan and center drag link with the girdle installed?




it moves the pan down .550 if i remember correctly

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: joshking440] #1109429
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Thank you for ALL the info,gentleman..and Josh! I'll check into these! A few people have suggested that at my power level,I REALLY don't need one. I have to do some research on this! Thanks again JOSH...Kevin..and my Moparts brethren!

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1109430
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Hey Randy.... When I am not making decals..... I am making engine girdles. want me to get a BB dodge girdle together to send down with the decals I am doing for you?

-Kenny

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: StrokerAspen] #1109431
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Howdy,Kenny! Please send me a PM with all the details! Thanks,Buddy! Randy

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1109432
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I am not endorsing any product, but look at the BRC kit. Since I balance jet engines, anything that can absorb the shock and can contain harmonics-keyword- is the best thing you can do to save a factory block. Not everybody can pony up for a aftermarket block. Just do some research, then decide for yourself. Steve DeTar


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Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: joshking440] #1109433
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Quote:

if you are going to use a girdle, the only one worth buying is the bcr piece in my opinion.


Becareful of the type that use washers and spacers to make up the difference between the mains and the pan rail as those really dont do what you are looking to accomplish




Josh, what does the BRC one do that the others don't. I got one from Hughes on mine and it uses spacers and shims between the plate and the main studs.

Thanks,
Brian Dunnigan

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My engine builder was impressed with the one I got from Hughes, and he's even a chevy guy!

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My engine builder was impressed with the one I got from Hughes, and he's even a chevy guy!




really?


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Hi Guys
I am in the works again to handing the product line to another well respected Moparts machinist. The first time did not work out and that was a major setback. CRE is no longer in business I guess the times have been hard on Mike and Dale. There website went down a while back and have not heard a thing from them in months. So the only option for a true bolt in Girdle kit that will truly do what is is supposed to is the one Tom myself Dan and a few others designed here a few years ago and that is the BCRproducts one. Being in Canada was just too much work shipping to the US and sourcing all the components neede to build this setup. I promise this time it will happen and the guy who is taking BCRproducts over has a great reputation and has build some very custom parts for all of us who love BB Mopars. That is is about all I can do to hint who as it is not my place yet to disclose the new manufacturer. I will do all the preinspects to ensure quality control so it will happen and the pieces will be of the same quality as before.

Greg

Re: BOTTOM-END GIRDLE KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1109437
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... A few people have suggested that at my power level,I REALLY don't need one...



You're pretty close to the power level where I was seeing clear evidence of cap walking w/ only OEM caps and studs. Do you absolutely have to have something beyond that? No. Would it be a good idea to add some insurance? IMO, yes.

The CRE kit is nice (I have one that I haven't actually used, yet), but their competitors came out later w/ comparable products for less money. Hughes or whomever can provide you w/ a viable option, since IMO (again) the BCR approach ( ) is overkill for your application. As pointed out by others, if you don't have main studs installed in your current build, they do say you'll need to align hone everything w/ the new studs to ensure cap location.

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