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Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? #1106923
11/04/11 07:26 AM
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Hey guys,

I finally got my Charger back after it being in the body shop being worked on slowly for the past four years. The engine was run every once in a while but probably not long enough to warm up much like it should be. Motor was also not ever properly tuned and tended to run rich. Motor was freshly rebuilt at the beginning of this process. it has a Holley 4150 on it.

I notice now when I bring it up to operating temp, it diesels for a few seconds after I cut it off. I am thinking old/bad gas, carb idle to high, or carbon buildup from the rich condition or some combination thereof.

Would you guys run a quart of ATF through the card while the motor runs to see if it can blast some of that crap out? I'm planning on doing the other stuff liske spark plug changes and an oil change as well.

Eventually I want to tear the motor back down and do some more to it now that I have done more research but for now I would just like to get the motor running somewhat relaibly and make sure I don't damage it int he meantime.

WHat would you guys do to clean this out? Anything to pay attention to? Thanks!!

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106924
11/04/11 07:42 AM
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I would just get it out and punch it a few times and put some fresh gas in it. Once you're driving it regularly again it could be fine.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: jbc426] #1106925
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If anything, slowly drizzle/mist some water into the engine while running. Some guys also like to use Seafoam for this.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106926
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A qt. of acetone in a full gas tank a couple of times works.

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106927
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I done water slowly down the carb

I've done kerosene in the oil, run to temp, turn off drain and fill with new oil

Did ATF once too.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: 70Coronet500Vert] #1106928
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Diesel fuel works great as a mist. Fill a soup can with fuel and pour about 1/2 in slowly at fast idle then dump and kill motor. Let sit an hour or so to soak then take out and drive and blow the crap out of the combustion chamber. Warning - IT WILL SMOKE for a short time.

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: MoparforLife] #1106929
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ATF ....diesel ...

A mist of water ....in fact just run the windshield-washer-hose(with a restrictor) into the primaries of the carb ...and fire the pump during some WOT shots ...

ORE ... put an actual water-injection system on it ... it will clean EVERYTHING up .... from the intake port to the exhaust port. Put in a grim-looking spark plug in it and WATCH IT turn almost into "brand-new" !

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106930
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this is a trick my dad used. He drive around with the ATF for like 2-3 days then he'd get the car warm, take the rpm's way up and turn on the garden hose...straight down the carb you should see the amount of junk blowing out the tail pipe.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1106931
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this is a trick my dad used. He drive around with the ATF for like 2-3 days then he'd get the car warm, take the rpm's way up and turn on the garden hose...straight down the carb you should see the amount of junk blowing out the tail pipe.





Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: MAVERICKSHEMI] #1106932
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this is a trick my dad used. He drive around with the ATF for like 2-3 days then he'd get the car warm, take the rpm's way up and turn on the garden hose...straight down the carb you should see the amount of junk blowing out the tail pipe.









well it created a lot of smoke filled w/ debris...

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1106933
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Quote:

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this is a trick my dad used. He drive around with the ATF for like 2-3 days then he'd get the car warm, take the rpm's way up and turn on the garden hose...straight down the carb you should see the amount of junk blowing out the tail pipe.









well it created a lot of smoke filled w/ debris...




I was thinking about pouring ATF into the carb while the motor runs. I have heard good and bad about putting ATF in the oil itself...

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106934
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since atf is really just oil, seems like it wouldnt help much, but actually add to the problem. it will coat everything, burn only partially, and contribute to fouling/build up.

i have lightly drizzled water into the carb, and it is vaporized into steam, and over time/repeated use, will remove deposits. dont add to much at once (never a garden hose blasted into the carb) unless you wish to witness the effects of hydro-locking. water wont compress, but your rods will. use it sparingly, and keep the revs up, and water will clean out a lot of crap.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1106935
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Drizzle water down the carb.
Take it out and romp on it.

ATF is for cleaning the inside of the engine, add to oil, warm without heavy loading and drain.


Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1106936
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i have lightly drizzled water into the carb, and it is vaporized into steam, and over time/repeated use, will remove deposits. dont add to much at once (never a garden hose blasted into the carb) unless you wish to witness the effects of hydro-locking. water wont compress, but your rods will. use it sparingly, and keep the revs up, and water will clean out a lot of crap.




Amen on the hydraulic locking...shortening the stroke by bending the rods does not work out all that well


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: RodStRace] #1106937
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Well, define gunked? I pulled my car out of an 8 month storage a week ago. I had a trickle charger on the battery, and I dumped 1/2 of the large bottle of Stabil in the tank. Last week I sprayed a big shot of starter fluid down the carb and wham! She fired off! I've been driving it daily for the past week....No problems.

I never tried water down the carb before, I did drizzle some ATF though....keep the Rs up and don't let the neighbors call the fire department, because she's gonna puff some smoke, but the top end is gonna love it!!!

2 more days and my car is back to sleep for another 4 months+......oil filter change, stabil, then tucked away in the bag.....

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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: RodStRace] #1106938
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Years ago i knew an ole timer veedub mechanic. I watched him pour brake fluid through the carb while runnin,talk about smoke he was foggin the area for skeeters fer sure. He swore by it though, just kept revs up and let it smoke lol. Gotta love some of the old school trics.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: 66cnet500] #1106939
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I have heard about the ATF and diesel thing. Oh yeah and acetone as well, you can also use acetone to lower emissions as well as a little ethanol. I personally like SeaFoam and my favorite is Mopar combustion chamber cleaner but as far as cleaning the carb the Mopar stuff doesn't do too much inside the carb, jets and stuff just the surfaces but does a great job on combustion chamber and passages.

Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1106940
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since atf is really just oil, seems like it wouldnt help much, but actually add to the problem. it will coat everything, burn only partially, and contribute to fouling/build up.

i have lightly drizzled water into the carb, and it is vaporized into steam, and over time/repeated use, will remove deposits. dont add to much at once (never a garden hose blasted into the carb) unless you wish to witness the effects of hydro-locking. water wont compress, but your rods will. use it sparingly, and keep the revs up, and water will clean out a lot of crap.




I was going to ask about bending a rod if you put water into a running motor...

If you do you use water, how much do you add, and use just plain water? Would a squirt bottle work better than just pouring it in with a container? How long will you need to do this for any effect?

The car is not driveable...it runs but no interior beside gauge cluster on the floor and a seat and steering wheel Can't drive it yet (legally) but I can run it.

Would you do the trick of adding a quart of ATF to the OIL and running the motor and then draining?

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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106941
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My vote is just to tune it, especially check the timing, run some Amsoil cleaner in the tank and run it hard.


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Re: Run ATF to clean a gunked motor? [Re: cjskotni] #1106942
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the risk is small, but it's there. a diesel runs on higher compression, and you'd think some water wouldnt hurt. i've seen several diesels throw a rod or blow the top off the power assembly, from a leaking water jacket. (emd locomotives) i've also hydro-locked a diesel, trying to crank it, with water in the cylinder. bent a rod, but didnt break it.

i use an empty dish detergent bottle, and just drizzle it, in a really light stream, with the motor at a very high idle. maybe 2000-2500 rpm. you'll know you're adding too much, when the motor starts to bog down, as it fights to compress the water. i also have the car hot from driving before doing this, or you might fill the mufflers with water and crap, helping to rust/clog it.

the gas today is a lot cleaner (some of it's clear, like water, vs the dark orange stuff we used to pump) and as long as your guides arent leaking, and you dont just idle the motor endlessly, it shouldnt be all that dirty. once or twice a year should be fine, if you worry about deposits. if the plugs are clean and dry, i would imagine the rest of the combustion chamber is, as well.


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