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Where in Sask. do you live?; I was just in Regina and Moosejaw for meetings and to visit some friends not too long ago......nice place.

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Saskatoon (saskaboom ? ). Yes very nice city , more importantly, the one with the race track. Last time I was in Kelowna was in the mid 80s. Now theres a nice city.
Just curious, do you know if your 'Bee was from here? A friend of mine sold one some time ago... he had 2 6 packs one auto, one 4 spd. Not sure which one he sold. He also has a concours pink 383 with white paint roof.

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Where in Sask. do you live?; I was just in Regina and Moosejaw for meetings and to visit some friends not too long ago......nice place.

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Saskatoon (saskaboom ? ). Yes very nice city , more importantly, the one with the race track. Last time I was in Kelowna was in the mid 80s. Now theres a nice city.
Just curious, do you know if your 'Bee was from here? A friend of mine sold one some time ago... he had 2 6 packs one auto, one 4 spd. Not sure which one he sold. He also has a concours pink 383 with white paint roof.

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Anythings possible; I was only able to track my car back 4 owners to about the early '90's. All I know is that it crossed the border into Canada in 2004 from Clovis Ca. and the last time the car appeared to have been driven was 1981 and that it had a California plate on it. My theory is that the car was crashed in 1981 (body damage pass quarter, wheelhouse, bent axle, broken K frame). At some point in time it sat outside but not somewhere really wet as the body was solid.....then somebody tried a very poor attempt at an amature restoration (brazed up many of the underhood holes, hacked and brazed trunk floor replacment, spraybombed dash and gauges, 3 cast pistons and 5 forged ones......well you get the idea). Car then passed through several hands in the US and 2 more in Canada before I bought it and started throwing money at it like a drunken sailor!

Anyhow, if I get up your way, I'd love to and maybe see your buddy's bee's.

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my stock bore, stroke, iron block, iron head, single 4bbl, 9.1 compression hemi was dynoed with and without headers. 498 hp with manifolds, 511 with 3" headers. Already had 2.5" TTI exhaust from the former 440, so cutting up a new exhaust and dropping a $1000 on good coated headers just wasn't justifiable for 13 more hp. I also didn't mess with my starter or beat up my inner fenders like I have in the past with headers. Also, all the manifold cars i've ever had have never ran hot. All my header cars get a little warm for my taste and have ended up some type of leak.

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my stock bore, stroke, iron block, iron head, single 4bbl, 9.1 compression hemi was dynoed with and without headers. 498 hp with manifolds, 511 with 3" headers. Already had 2.5" TTI exhaust from the former 440, so cutting up a new exhaust and dropping a $1000 on good coated headers just wasn't justifiable for 13 more hp. I also didn't mess with my starter or beat up my inner fenders like I have in the past with headers. Also, all the manifold cars i've ever had have never ran hot. All my header cars get a little warm for my taste and have ended up some type of leak.

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I would hazzard a guess as the HP is restricted by the iron intake, carb, low compression and cam selection. Not the header or not to header. Also one doesn't need to spend $1000 on a set of headers.
As mentioned before if you already have the mani's and exhaust use it, if you are statrting from scratch and you want the most out of your engine get a set of headers. Some people here think they are the most complicated thing in the world for some reason. If you take your time even cheap sets can be installed w/o issues. ALL headers will be harder to install than mani's so keep that in mind.

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my stock bore, stroke, iron block, iron head, single 4bbl, 9.1 compression hemi was dynoed with and without headers. 498 hp with manifolds, 511 with 3" headers. Already had 2.5" TTI exhaust from the former 440, so cutting up a new exhaust and dropping a $1000 on good coated headers just wasn't justifiable for 13 more hp. I also didn't mess with my starter or beat up my inner fenders like I have in the past with headers. Also, all the manifold cars i've ever had have never ran hot. All my header cars get a little warm for my taste and have ended up some type of leak.

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I would hazzard a guess as the HP is restricted by the iron intake, carb, low compression and cam selection. Not the header or not to header. Also one doesn't need to spend $1000 on a set of headers.
As mentioned before if you already have the mani's and exhaust use it, if you are statrting from scratch and you want the most out of your engine get a set of headers. Some people here think they are the most complicated thing in the world for some reason. If you take your time even cheap sets can be installed w/o issues. ALL headers will be harder to install than mani's so keep that in mind.

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You missed the part where he said this is a HEMI. There's no comparing 440hp manifolds to Hemi manifolds.



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my stock bore, stroke, iron block, iron head, single 4bbl, 9.1 compression hemi was dynoed with and without headers. 498 hp with manifolds, 511 with 3" headers. Already had 2.5" TTI exhaust from the former 440, so cutting up a new exhaust and dropping a $1000 on good coated headers just wasn't justifiable for 13 more hp. I also didn't mess with my starter or beat up my inner fenders like I have in the past with headers. Also, all the manifold cars i've ever had have never ran hot. All my header cars get a little warm for my taste and have ended up some type of leak.

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I would hazzard a guess as the HP is restricted by the iron intake, carb, low compression and cam selection. Not the header or not to header. Also one doesn't need to spend $1000 on a set of headers.
As mentioned before if you already have the mani's and exhaust use it, if you are statrting from scratch and you want the most out of your engine get a set of headers. Some people here think they are the most complicated thing in the world for some reason. If you take your time even cheap sets can be installed w/o issues. ALL headers will be harder to install than mani's so keep that in mind.

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Who says the horsepower is restricted? 500hp out of a pump gas, non stroker doesn't sound restricted to me! As far as the intake comment; you know this is a Hemi, right?

anyhow, even though the Hemi manifolds are better than the RB HP ones, this is a good example of a motor that obviously didn't benefit much from installing headers (even the good, expensive ones!)

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If your drag racing and need to get every scrap of hp available , sure go for it and they will increase hp but be prepared for leaks , excess heat , fried wires , etc etc

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My , I wouldn't put headers on an outhouse. Absolute trash with no measurable gain on a street motor.
If your drag racing and need to get every scrap of hp available , sure go for it and they will increase hp but be prepared for leaks , excess heat , fried wires , etc etc

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I dont know what headers you use but I have never had any of them problems. In fact the headers on my sons Dart have been on the car since 1997 and have never leaked or blew a gasket or burnt a wire. The same with my 63 as I have no problems at all using headers. They make much better headers now with thick flanges then the junk back in the 70's with paper thin flanges. I will take headers any day over manifolds on a performance car. Unless I ran a class where the rules make you run manifolds I will take the hp and use headers. Ron

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Ron I didn't belive it either until I read t he Car Craft artical that somebody posted here. As a matter of fact I think it was 39. I don't have the link but I'm sure it can be googled w/o much effort.

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39 on one particular motor; sure. The reality is that you could gain anywhere between nothing and 100hp: it depends on the build.

It really isn't rocket science; the amount of power gained by switching to tube headers from manifolds depends on a number of things;

- the manifolds in question. Our HP manifolds are decent - better than GM BB manifolds and worse than Hemi or MW manifolds.

- where the other bottlenecks are; there isn't as much point in increasing exhaust flow on a motor that has a crappy flowing intake, heads, etc.

The best example of a motor that needs headers that I can think of is a 427 L88 BBC which due to it's restrictive factory manifolds, good flowing heads and a radical solid lifter cam can gain somewhere around 80 - 100hp with the swap. My guess is a stock street hemi or Max Wedge falls on the other side of the spectrum; the stock manifolds flow much better than their GM counterparts. An RB with HP manifolds falls somewhere in between......depending on how it's built. I would guess that a bone stock 375hp 440 Magnum would see a slight increase along the lines of 10-20hp......is that worth it? that depends on how you weigh the pros and cons; there is no right or wrong answer.


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