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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: patrick] #1106033
11/04/11 03:15 PM
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The transmission locates the starter, not the engine. Since you're not going to be running a 4x4 jeep transmission, you will have the starter in the normal location.

The annoying part is the 73+ B body's have that isolated torsion bar crossmember. You will be able to get the transmission to fit under the crossmember in front of the isolated torsion bar crossmember, the the iso-crossmember goes UNDER the transmission. I had talked to a guy who put a 518 into his 74 charger and he said to get his transmission to fit over top of the isolated torsion bar crossmember, he had to hack out much of the crossmember framing in front of the iso-crossmember to get it to fit. Kinda hard to explain but if you look under your car you will see what I mean. Now if you remove the isolated torsion bar crossmember for good, like I describe in this thread linked, you should be able to get the 518 to fit with just minor mods to the case. Either way your transmission mount will need to be custom fabbed by you.

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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: patrick] #1106034
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I used the mopar universal inline pump and a ls1 corvette fuel filter/regulator. I mounted it on the back framerail, no room for dual exh, but just a short return line to an old vapor line on the tank and a high pressure line to the rail. As far as the crank sensor, youre right, but you could probably fab a mount if you could measure off of an existing magnum block. I am not sure if there is a "number one" position on the flex plate trigger or not, because if there isn't you could mount the crank sensor low by the inspection cover, but getting it in the right position would probably be a nightmare. I've got a magnum v6 in the garage I could take some pics or measurements off of if you want to make a bracket.

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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1106035
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I didn't have to touch my torsion bar crossmember


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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: craigtone] #1106036
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If you don't have a trans bought yet - personally I'd go with an electronic A500, such as a 44RE. The trans will be well within the torque output of the engine, and the lower first gear will help getting the heavy car rolling.


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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: Evil Spirit] #1106037
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That would be nice, it would make it necessary to run an obdII harness to run the trans if you stay with factory stuff though. Not a huge deal, but the obd1 and 46rh is a lot less wiring for simplicity sake. obdII would possibly have more tuning capabilities down the road, but I dont think the 44re has a provision for a mechanical speedometer if he wants keep it. He probably needs to decide what are the most important things he wants out of the conversion.

Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: ralphie361] #1106038
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He probably needs to decide what are the most important things he wants out of the conversion.




The most important thing is to keep it simple! Not only for ease of install, but ease of troubleshooting and maintenance down the road. Hence wanting to stick with the 46RH so my 1995 Jeep computer and harness work as-is without hacking or modification.

Thanks for all the replies! Lots of good tech info here! It looks like I will need a good rebuilt A518, I will also contact a custom trans shop to get the right TC and rear gear ratio for my needs, external fuel pump, and I am going to try to use B-Body LA full length headers to hook to my already installed dual exhaust.

As for wiring, I still have the entire Jeep engine/trans harness with battery post and under hood fusebox. The nice thing about the Jeep harness is that the fuel pump fuse and relay is in the under hood fusebox. All engine (and starter) fuses and relays are located there along with a heavy lug that I can attach an 8 or 10-gauge feed wire to feed the internal stock B-body fuse block. Only catch is I need to move the battery to the passenger side to fit the harness, but not a prob since I plan to weld in the Jeep PCM, A/C dryer and fuse box mounts to the Charger inner fenders anyway.

The plan this weekend is to get the car in the garage and up on jack stands so I can start crawling underneath to assess the crossmember situation and start taking measurements. I'll keep this thread updated as the project evolves with pics and what I find out!

Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: craigtone] #1106039
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Cool, keep us posted, I wouldn't mind adding the 46rh to my car eventually so I can upgrade the 2.76 rear and actually have something off the line!

Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: ralphie361] #1106040
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That would be nice, it would make it necessary to run an obdII harness to run the trans if you stay with factory stuff though. Not a huge deal, but the obd1 and 46rh is a lot less wiring for simplicity sake. obdII would possibly have more tuning capabilities down the road, but I dont think the 44re has a provision for a mechanical speedometer if he wants keep it. He probably needs to decide what are the most important things he wants out of the conversion.




I thought the 95 models were electronic trans; thats why I selected the 44RE. (44RE - 96-newer) So he would want a 42RH, probably one of the earlier one, for the speedo hookup. I'm just trying to get him into a trans with the low gearset to help get the car rolling without having to put more rear gear in it.


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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: Evil Spirit] #1106041
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I thought the 95 models were electronic trans; thats why I selected the 44RE. (44RE - 96-newer) So he would want a 42RH, probably one of the earlier one, for the speedo hookup. I'm just trying to get him into a trans with the low gearset to help get the car rolling without having to put more rear gear in it.





I've got granny 2.76's now ... so I WILL be changing gears regardless!

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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: craigtone] #1106042
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On the crank sensor issue I have notched a couple '91 cases for a '93 Dakota. Not too hard with a die grinder.


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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: MoPar Jamie] #1106043
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On the crank sensor issue I have notched a couple '91 cases for a '93 Dakota. Not too hard with a die grinder.




I shouldn't have to notch anything if I use a 1995 46RH, right? If I keep my 727 I would need to, but I want OD!

Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: Evil Spirit] #1106044
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That would be nice, it would make it necessary to run an obdII harness to run the trans if you stay with factory stuff though. Not a huge deal, but the obd1 and 46rh is a lot less wiring for simplicity sake. obdII would possibly have more tuning capabilities down the road, but I dont think the 44re has a provision for a mechanical speedometer if he wants keep it. He probably needs to decide what are the most important things he wants out of the conversion.




I thought the 95 models were electronic trans; thats why I selected the 44RE. (44RE - 96-newer) So he would want a 42RH, probably one of the earlier one, for the speedo hookup. I'm just trying to get him into a trans with the low gearset to help get the car rolling without having to put more rear gear in it.





true, IIRC grand cherokees were the first to roll out the RE's in either '94 or 95...


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Re: Am I Crazy? 5.2L/A518 -> B-Body [Re: craigtone] #1106045
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On the crank sensor issue I have notched a couple '91 cases for a '93 Dakota. Not too hard with a die grinder.




I shouldn't have to notch anything if I use a 1995 46RH, right? If I keep my 727 I would need to, but I want OD!




Nope just bolt it in and go. '92 318s (and '93 360s) were Magnums and were notched from then on up for the crank sensor. So yeah your '95 tranny should be fine.

For really wierdness there ARE notched 904/998s I have one in my '95 Van and I know of a '98 that has one as well.


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