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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Labratt]
#1104450
10/31/11 12:20 PM
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Get-X
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I used the same adapter as Ron and Preddy, works great. I personally just bought a used box from a member here on Moparts (thanks Mike!) that came with the box in great shape, pitman arm and drag link with the idler still there and the mounting bolts for $100! The production boxes are feather light and wear like iron.
'65 Belvedere
'68 GTX
'57 Dodge pickup
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: PorkyPig]
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10/31/11 03:24 PM
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Actually I was surprised at how easy my 63 steers. It is much easier then I thought it would be and I like the manual steering as you can feel the road better. The only time you need to use 2 hands on my 63 is when parallel parking. But it really is so easy to steer. Ron
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Get-X]
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10/31/11 05:59 PM
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I've got the same adapter setup, only mine is the goofy older one that was originally used on a B van, that you had to use a manual coupler with. That was before Mancini made their version, with the power coupler spline setup. That stuff was alot more difficult to find before the internet! As a result of getting that, I bought a few nos manual couplers for spares, figuring nobody would reproduce them. The box is a good used one that I think I got at the Nats about a million years ago.
Rich H.
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: ZIPPY]
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10/31/11 06:48 PM
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Used is fine, I swapped to one in my Charger and had no objections at all to how it steered, I liked it over the overboosted power assist they came with stock.
I had an A-body box and Mancini coupler, just have to swap the pitman arm, and I also thought the A-body piece uses bushings instead of bearings, but don't quote me on that.
'18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Labratt]
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11/02/11 01:56 AM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line. Those rivets don't penetrate the sliding shaft at all...they just poke through holes and rub against it.
If you take a P/S steering shaft, and pull the center all the way out, it would actually touch the steering box itself, and STILL have 100% engagement with outer, or driving part of the shaft.
Last edited by Qbird; 11/02/11 02:01 AM.
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Qbird]
#1104462
11/02/11 09:40 AM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line. Those rivets don't penetrate the sliding shaft at all...they just poke through holes and rub against it.
If you take a P/S steering shaft, and pull the center all the way out, it would actually touch the steering box itself, and STILL have 100% engagement with outer, or driving part of the shaft.
this may be true but the splines on the manual box are different than the p/box so the coupler still needs to be changed.
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: gj69charger]
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11/02/11 04:13 PM
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Having a wide tire on the front makes it a lot harder to steer. If you have skinnies, its really easy. I hate mopar's factory power steering. Manual is the only way to go. 
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Labratt]
#1104468
11/02/11 07:03 PM
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Randy you would not be happy with FR or a flaming river. They are the hardest ones to turn on a heavy car. I think i have one of those adapters in stock and possably a good manual box. Give me a yell. Jake
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Qbird]
#1104469
11/02/11 08:18 PM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line.
I always thought the purpose of those rivets was to provide "crush" in the event of a front end collision!
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Stanton]
#1104470
11/02/11 11:51 PM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line.
I always thought the purpose of those rivets was to provide "crush" in the event of a front end collision!
Yes......Collapsible steering column. Ron
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: old_racer]
#1104471
11/03/11 02:20 AM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line. Those rivets don't penetrate the sliding shaft at all...they just poke through holes and rub against it.
If you take a P/S steering shaft, and pull the center all the way out, it would actually touch the steering box itself, and STILL have 100% engagement with outer, or driving part of the shaft.
this may be true but the splines on the manual box are different than the p/box so the coupler still needs to be changed.
Yes, but all you need is the stock coupler that goes with the box you are using.
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: 383man]
#1104472
11/03/11 02:30 AM
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The adapter thing is a total scam. I've taken several power and manual steering columns apart over the years, and the internal shaft (sliding part) is THE SAME! Chrysler used "plastic rivets" to create just enough drag on the sliding part of the shaft to keep it from flopping around while being handeled on the assembly line.
I always thought the purpose of those rivets was to provide "crush" in the event of a front end collision!
Yes......Collapsible steering column. Ron
Wrong, take a column apart sometime and look at how it actually works. The collapsing is done simply by allowing the inner part of the shaft to slide up into the outer part. The outer part of the shaft has four holes that are filled with plastic. There are NO HOLES that corrospond with these on the inner shaft. All those plastic nubs do is create very slight resistance against the inner shaft. To go one step further, I recently did a column on a 69 Dart...virgin and never touched by human hands, that had the four holes and only one plastic "rivet" installed from the factory.
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Labratt]
#1104473
11/03/11 09:33 AM
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Thanks,fella's!  Greg,I didn't price them,but I'm guessing the FR units are a little more than what I'm wanting to spend. Chip,the factory P/S is TOO EASY to turn! I want more "road feel" and a reduction in weight up front! BTW..my front tires are Mickey T's Sportsmans...5.5" wide.  
Same tires I run. You'll love the manual steering then. One of our road runners used to have power steering...didn't take long to decide I didn't like it. If you could put 32x14 tires on the front of it, you could still turn it lock to lock w/ one finger, lol.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Labratt]
#1104475
11/03/11 12:21 PM
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Chip...32x14's??? Now,that would be a "sight"!  Turning the steering wheel with 1 finger is for sissy boys...not big macho guys,like us!  
Like these! They dont turn very far before it hits everything. Its for the other side. I put it up on just for %hits and Grins 
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: Labratt]
#1104476
11/03/11 12:32 PM
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FWIW if I had a B-body with PS, I'd change it over to manual without a second thought. I'd rather feel the road than steer with one finger, any time all the time.
Last edited by B_Body_Bob; 11/03/11 12:35 PM.
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Re: POWER TO MANUAL STEERING IN STREET/STRIP GTX?
[Re: JAKE68]
#1104477
11/03/11 02:16 PM
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Randy you would not be happy with FR or a flaming river. They are the hardest ones to turn on a heavy car.
I don't get why the Flaming River adapter would be make it any harder to turn than any others  .
I have the Flaming River one on my '67 Satellite with a used manual box I bought from eBay. If the car is moving at all, like even a little bit, it's very easy to steer.
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I'll be looking for a NEW,or RE-BUILT unit. 
Don't really want to pay the $300.00 asking price of the FF STOCK 24:1 unit. 
BTW...Ron,how stiff does the steering feel at low speeds? I would think at high speeds it feels a lot more stable! 
Thanks! 
I agree 100 percent. Chrysler manual steering is easy to steer. GM manual is a lot tougher to steer and really hard to parallel park with.
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