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Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: ragtop] #1100965
03/01/12 04:58 PM
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...says that some bogs cannot be tuned away unless the air door is tight against stop. He was right.




I just installed a new TQ from Scott @ Harms on my bone stock '76 440 (GREAT job, Scott, BTW).
The engine never ran smoother except for a slight bog upon stepping on the accelerator. Because of this thread, I went to check on the secondary air door gap. It was dead on according to what you guys described.
Frustrated, I noticed something. The bowl vent lever arm.

Picture no. 1 shows the position as it was on the new carb.
Picture no. 2 shows it as it was on my old carb.
I repositioned the lever on the new carb to the same position as the old carb and the bog went totally away.

I'm no genius on this stuff and I have no idea what I did and why it worked but I had to throw this out there to you guys.

Pic #1 (lever position similar to the new TQ):



Pic #2 (lever position that is on old TQ):



but it cured the problem.

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Dave Watt] #1100966
03/01/12 06:45 PM
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How does one determine this orifice size? Photo?



I have a tiny drill bit set that is #60 (.039") through #80 (.0115"). Some hobby shops have them. Just keep inserting a drill in the orifice hole until you get to a drill big enough that it won't go in anymore. No photo, sorry. I'll try the next time I work on it.

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Did you make this restrictor? Picture?



I found a 3/16" diameter plastic rod, drilled a .013" hole in the middle, then inserted it in the vacuum line.




Awesome. Thanks Dave. I was thinking maybe it was stamped somewhere or something.


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Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: DynoDave] #1100967
03/02/12 09:30 PM
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I edited a few of the dimensions in my earlier posts to clarify what modifications were done.

Don't laugh but the Old Navy flag stem is exactly 3/16" diameter which fits snugly into the pull-off vacuum hose. I drilled a .016" hole about 3/8" of an inch deep, then used a hacksaw to cut the piece off. Ran the drill through again to make sure there weren't any burrs from the saw.
The red arrow shows where the original orifice is, this particular one has a .033" hole which would be way too big for my application.
One of my pull-offs had an ink stamp on it but I don't know what it means.
Also is the drill set and the pin vise to hold the drill.

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Dave Watt] #1100968
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Excellent photo Dave. Thanks.


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Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: DynoDave] #1100969
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Thanks for the great information and tips. This will be a great aid to me and others.


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Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: old340dog] #1100970
03/03/12 11:59 AM
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When you are able to do some test and tune at the track you will want to increase the orifice size until 60' times start to slow down. You may find when you change something else (timing, jetting, tires, launch technique ect.) you can benefit by going thru another iteration of orifice size testing. Keep in mind that area changes with the square of radius so small changes can be significant.



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Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: ragtop] #1100971
03/03/12 12:56 PM
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A YouTube video can be worth a thousand replies... Go to YouTube

http://youtu.be/L8CnQWTUSNU

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Commando1] #1100972
03/06/12 10:05 PM
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I have a bunch of Thermoquads for parts that the hardware is good but siezed up. Is there a good product to dip them in to loosen the stuck bowl screws?

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Dave Watt] #1100973
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Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Dave Watt] #1100974
03/07/12 01:23 AM
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Dave try using a deep creep type of break free. A cheap solution of 75% trans fluid and 25% acetone works pretty good as a soak, give them a week or so fully submerged. If that fails try soaking them in diesel fuel overnight.

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1100975
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Thanks for the tips Scott. I've tried PB Blaster without luck. I'll give the Acetone/trans fluid a chance.

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Dave Watt] #1100976
10/28/13 04:27 PM
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I wanted to bring this thread back up. There are a few things that might help guys out.

Some of the carbs I've bought were completely stuck. A propane torch and PB Blaster can help remove some really stubborn screws, idle mixture screws, and loosen the throttle shafts.
Heat the area around the stuck screw or shaft, then shoot the area with the Blaster. Apply more heat until the area is smoking again, you might see the Blaster bubbling up which is great, shoot it with more Blaster. It may take 5 or 6 tries but eventually you should be able to remove anything. Be patient, don't force the screw or it will just break off. The Blaster will flame up but nothing scary. Work in a well ventilated, open area away from things that can burn.

Finally worked with the choke pull-off adjustment enough at the track that the carb doesn't bog anymore. The car has run 13.90 @ 101MPH at our local track, and 14.12 @ 99MPH during the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drags.

Re: Thermoquad secondary tuning? [Re: Dave Watt] #1100977
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Good tips Dave. Sometimes it doesn't seem to matter how much you want them to come apart, they still don't want too.
I experienced the dredded bog for the first time with the Duster at MIR. One pump shot adjustment and the next pass it was blowing the tires off again.


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