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727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/17/11 08:20 PM
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I have heard this can be done but I am strugling, got the old one out ok but can't get the new one in  Any tips? I do have the flex band. I have always pulled the trans but a Durango is kinda a pain, thought I would give this a try for once 
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
[Re: 383man]
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10/17/11 08:53 PM
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My own personal car. Just figured that since I had heard so many times over the years it was possible I thought I would give it a try, if it won't go well no biggie, trans would have had to come out any how. Old band came out real easy but new one don't seem to want to go more than 1/2 way around. Just figured if it was easy as I had heard it would save me about 6 hours, trans was shifting fine just noticed during a routine service the band was near the end of the adjustment. VB come out in about 5 minutes with the pan off already, band strut in 2 minutes why not give it a try right. Not trying to "do it the wrong way", doing it the wrong way would be to pretend I didn't see nothin. Never heard of a 2 piece band, that sounds like the wrong way right there.
Why the moparts people getin their panties all in a wad lately over everything? If it won't work it won't work, why not just say "hey I tried it and it won't work"? Or if you never personaly tried it just sit back and listen?
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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10/17/11 10:02 PM
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Why the moparts people getin their panties all in a wad lately over everything? If it won't work it won't work, why not just say "hey I tried it and it won't work"? Or if you never personaly tried it just sit back and listen?
I totally agree and he's a newbie too
Being a newbie has nothing to do with it. What matters is doing the job right and to not take short cuts. It is not a place to short cut. Knowledge & experience are king.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 12:50 AM
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IF you toasted the band .. the drum is probably hurt tooo ..... the trans has got to come out .. 
The old band was not "toasted" just worn till there was almost no adjustment left, no metal to metal contact, I am replaceing it as a precaution, drum looks great. I have lots of experiance with thease trannys, could build one blindfolded if it was on a bench, I have built tons of thease trannys, just never tried to stick a band in with the trans in the car. The opurtunity presented itself, I caught a problem before it was a problem, so I thought I would give it a try.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 01:07 AM
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IF you toasted the band .. the drum is probably hurt tooo ..... the trans has got to come out ..
this from the guy who cant do a simple google search for ATF ... 
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 01:58 AM
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you have pm.... no need to get the self righteous defenders of the written procedures up in arms.
If it's possible I'd like to know how , the fact that he got it out means there is enough room and it should go back in as easy as it came out. Personally I've never tried it and the times I have had a trans out and apart it never appeared like there was enough room to do it?
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 11:51 AM
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My own personal car. Just figured that since I had heard so many times over the years it was possible I thought I would give it a try, if it won't go well no biggie, trans would have had to come out any how. Old band came out real easy but new one don't seem to want to go more than 1/2 way around. Just figured if it was easy as I had heard it would save me about 6 hours, trans was shifting fine just noticed during a routine service the band was near the end of the adjustment. VB come out in about 5 minutes with the pan off already, band strut in 2 minutes why not give it a try right. Not trying to "do it the wrong way", doing it the wrong way would be to pretend I didn't see nothin. Never heard of a 2 piece band, that sounds like the wrong way right there.
Why the moparts people getin their panties all in a wad lately over everything? If it won't work it won't work, why not just say "hey I tried it and it won't work"? Or if you never personaly tried it just sit back and listen?
haha
No, it wont work, and no I dont blame you at all for trying.
It's a complete pain in the ass to remove a 46re. I hate them which is why I converted to a 727.
You'll have to unbolt it and pull the front pump.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 11:53 AM
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I've done it. maybe 3 or 4 times in the past 25 years.
And for the exact same reason as well - the 4wd Durango/Dakotas trucks that are one of the toughest trans to get out.
The way I look at it, if the trans is solid and theres no issues with the ft drum why pull the trans. It's less headache and saves the customer money.
That said, to get it in I think you have to hold your mouth right and it will go.
I tried like crazy to do it and it wouldnt work for me.
I dont know what you're doing to accomplish it. the lugs on teh ends of the band made it impossible for me.
And yes they are an absolute nightmare to remove and a lot heavier than one would think. How do I know? I dropped one on myself doing it on a set of jackstands.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 11:53 AM
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My own personal car. Just figured that since I had heard so many times over the years it was possible I thought I would give it a try, if it won't go well no biggie, trans would have had to come out any how. Old band came out real easy but new one don't seem to want to go more than 1/2 way around. Just figured if it was easy as I had heard it would save me about 6 hours, trans was shifting fine just noticed during a routine service the band was near the end of the adjustment. VB come out in about 5 minutes with the pan off already, band strut in 2 minutes why not give it a try right. Not trying to "do it the wrong way", doing it the wrong way would be to pretend I didn't see nothin. Never heard of a 2 piece band, that sounds like the wrong way right there.
Why the moparts people getin their panties all in a wad lately over everything? If it won't work it won't work, why not just say "hey I tried it and it won't work"? Or if you never personaly tried it just sit back and listen?
haha
No, it wont work, and no I dont blame you at all for trying.
It's a complete pain in the ass to remove a 46re. I hate them which is why I converted to a 727.
You'll have to unbolt it and pull the front pump.
Why is it everytime I see you post your wrong?
As Bill stated above it can be done, not easy but it can be done.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 12:22 PM
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Complete change of plans, I just had a guy come in with another durango needing a 5.9 engine, I am pulling my engine and selling it to him, then re-building a spare 44RE I have in the corner and a 5.2 to match. I will have a complete rebuilt powertrain in my 240,000 Durango and hopefully get better than 14mpg. I will re-build the 46RE and sit it on the shelf till a needarises for it. PS My tech who was off yesterday just got it to slide in in 5 minutes still gonna pull it all out.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 12:48 PM
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My own personal car. Just figured that since I had heard so many times over the years it was possible I thought I would give it a try, if it won't go well no biggie, trans would have had to come out any how. Old band came out real easy but new one don't seem to want to go more than 1/2 way around. Just figured if it was easy as I had heard it would save me about 6 hours, trans was shifting fine just noticed during a routine service the band was near the end of the adjustment. VB come out in about 5 minutes with the pan off already, band strut in 2 minutes why not give it a try right. Not trying to "do it the wrong way", doing it the wrong way would be to pretend I didn't see nothin. Never heard of a 2 piece band, that sounds like the wrong way right there.
Why the moparts people getin their panties all in a wad lately over everything? If it won't work it won't work, why not just say "hey I tried it and it won't work"? Or if you never personaly tried it just sit back and listen?
haha
No, it wont work, and no I dont blame you at all for trying.
It's a complete pain in the ass to remove a 46re. I hate them which is why I converted to a 727.
You'll have to unbolt it and pull the front pump.
Why is it everytime I see you post your wrong?
As Bill stated above it can be done, not easy but it can be done.
I dunno, maybe you're just a big tool with a chip on his shoulder who only sees what you want? 
Yeah, I think so. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'm right on that one. 
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 12:54 PM
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IF you toasted the band .. the drum is probably hurt tooo ..... the trans has got to come out ..
this from the guy who cant do a simple google search for ATF ...
THIS from a asshat newbie ...
EVERY topic on any internet site is "searchable".... and if we did just that ... there would be NO NEED for any type of forums.
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Re: 727 kickdown band, change in car?
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10/18/11 01:14 PM
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Yeah, I think so. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'm right on that one.
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PS My tech who was off yesterday just got it to slide in in 5 minutes still gonna pull it all out.
Wrong again .... 
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why dont you try to do the job right instead of hacking it? Is this a customers car? 
