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Street/strip 727- what fluid? #1095526
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Should be firing up the Charger by next weekend and need fluid for the trans. Years back when I had my last 727, I ran B&M Trick Shift in it. An acquaintance at that time used to work for B&M and told me their fluid was just Type F w/ a couple of additives and blue coloring. Should I stick w/ Dexron, Type F, or go with an aftermarket fluid? Tried the Google search here- seems most times the question came up on the Q&A board and got a variety of answers. What says the Race board?


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Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: I_bleed_MOPAR] #1095527
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Cheapo type F

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Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1095529
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Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1095530
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Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: I_bleed_MOPAR] #1095532
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Wally Mart Type F here..works great.


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We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.
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Looks like the experts agree.
Thanks.


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A quart of non detergent 30w and the remainder type F.


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A quart of non detergent 30w and the remainder type F.

Been doing this for years with very good results

Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: BlueDart] #1095536
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Well I guess I'm going to be the lone dissenting voice. I use synthetic fluid exclusively in all my stuff. It lasts longer, isn't affected by heat and will increase your stall speed about 300 rpm. Amsoil is probably as good as it gets but there are plenty of others including Mopar ATF+4. I use Hyundai SP III because I get it for free but it's just synthetic Dexron.

Type F is a friction modified fluid Ford had to use because their transmission clutch packs wouldn't hold. It's really not a viable fluid with todays materials, it's 40 year old technology that has past it's usefulness.


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Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1095537
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Type F is a friction modified fluid Ford had to use because their transmission clutch packs wouldn't hold. It's really not a viable fluid with todays materials, it's 40 year old technology that has past it's usefulness.




And I'll continue to use the cheap old stuff since
I still get 1.19 60' out of it... and my trans hasnt
been opened up in 4 years now




Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1095538
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Well I guess I'm going to be the lone dissenting voice. I use synthetic fluid exclusively in all my stuff. It lasts longer, isn't affected by heat and will increase your stall speed about 300 rpm. Amsoil is probably as good as it gets but there are plenty of others including Mopar ATF+4. I use Hyundai SP III because I get it for free but it's just synthetic Dexron.

Type F is a friction modified fluid Ford had to use because their transmission clutch packs wouldn't hold. It's really not a viable fluid with todays materials, it's 40 year old technology that has past it's usefulness.




A couple of things. You do realize, that Amzoil synthetic atf mimicks Type F.
And, 00232-19012 SP111 is spendy in quart bottles. Around $4.50 per qt. cost (I'm a Hyundai Parts Manager). If you get it free, kudos. I know I wouldn't buy it, with all the other choices.

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When I went to pick up my Transmission, before I walked out the door my Transmission Builder handed me a case of Motorcraft Type F, He just said 'this is what I use"

Re: Street/strip 727- what fluid? [Re: Leigh] #1095540
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Well I guess I'm going to be the lone dissenting voice. I use synthetic fluid exclusively in all my stuff. It lasts longer, isn't affected by heat and will increase your stall speed about 300 rpm. Amsoil is probably as good as it gets but there are plenty of others including Mopar ATF+4. I use Hyundai SP III because I get it for free but it's just synthetic Dexron.

Type F is a friction modified fluid Ford had to use because their transmission clutch packs wouldn't hold. It's really not a viable fluid with todays materials, it's 40 year old technology that has past it's usefulness.




A couple of things. You do realize, that Amzoil synthetic atf mimicks Type F.
And, 00232-19012 SP111 is spendy in quart bottles. Around $4.50 per qt. cost (I'm a Hyundai Parts Manager). If you get it free, kudos. I know I wouldn't buy it, with all the other choices.




Yeah I wouldn't buy it either but hey, the price is right.

Amsoil makes several different types of ATF, but I know it lasts a long time. The altered I drove has had Amsoil in it's PG for 5 years and it is still good. Many guys tell me that mineral Dexron lasts about 15 passes in their glides.


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Type F at walmart is 1.27 a quart

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Type F is a friction modified fluid Ford had to use because their transmission clutch packs wouldn't hold. It's really not a viable fluid with todays materials, it's 40 year old technology that has past it's usefulness.


So its Perfect for a 50 year old design torqueflite. B&M fluid is type F

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i use synthetic fluid atf+4.in both my cars.9sec duster and 11 sec street strip duster.i think it depends on how much you race it.i run 2 classes,14-15 runs in a day.later rounds back to back.i foot brake and it seems my launch rpm stays does not vary as much when the trans is hot with synthetic fluid .
i have over $1000 in my transmission $4.00 a quart is not that big of a deal.

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i use synthetic fluid atf+4.in both my cars.9sec duster and 11 sec street strip duster.i think it depends on how much you race it.i run 2 classes,14-15 runs in a day.later rounds back to back.i foot brake and it seems my launch rpm stays does not vary as much when the trans is hot with synthetic fluid .
i have over $1000 in my transmission $4.00 a quart is not that big of a deal.




Exactly, $1000 for a torque converter, $700 for a valve body, not to mention good clutches, steels and bands and you're going to cheap out on the fluid? Doesn't make sense.


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i use synthetic fluid atf+4.in both my cars.9sec duster and 11 sec street strip duster.i think it depends on how much you race it.i run 2 classes,14-15 runs in a day.later rounds back to back.i foot brake and it seems my launch rpm stays does not vary as much when the trans is hot with synthetic fluid .
i have over $1000 in my transmission $4.00 a quart is not that big of a deal.




Exactly, $1000 for a torque converter, $700 for a valve body, not to mention good clutches, steels and bands and you're going to cheap out on the fluid? Doesn't make sense.




For me it's not "cheaping out" as much as it's using what's proven to be a reliable fluid for 727s for 30 years for me. I don't ever remember a trans failure related to using type f in a 727. I do however acknowledge the fact that dino oil viscosity will be less stable with temperature swings than synthetics so the stall speed argument has some merit.


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