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Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: Pool Fixer] #1093811
10/17/11 02:11 PM
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any dual field from 69 and up works with this one. Napa has the reg and the special connector for it.
Here is a thread with pics I did on another site from 10 years ago

130 amp denso alternator conversion

The 130amp denso from a dodge does fit a big block without having to move it. I had to use a nut and grind a spacer with my dremel but that was it.



The bracket for my old Poly motor is a solid bracket, real heavy cast stuff. I'll end up using the angle grinder and thinning out the mount a bit to make it physically fit.
I am now left with the question about the regulator...A couple months back I bought one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330597499396&viewitem=&vxp=mtr
It's a solid state electronic regulator but not sure if it will work with the higher amp alternator. Right now my square back alternator has one field grounded to the case. Does the new alternator get wired up the same way if may current voltage regulator will work?

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: feets] #1093812
10/17/11 02:33 PM
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The regulator doesn't care what kind of amperage the alternator makes. It's not even in that loop. The only thing it's concerned with is a 12 volt DC current.

You can use either style of old Mopar regulator with new alternators.



Thanks! I must have posted at the same time you did. I just hate buying new parts just to make them obsolete.

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 451Mopar] #1093813
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Big block or small block?
I put a 130 Amp alternator on my big block, but had to re-locate it because it was too deep to fit in the stock location. I think the 90-amp denso alternators are smaller, and I also think the alternator has more room depth wise on a small block than on a big block. My alternator was off a newer truck with the serpintne belt, but the pulley is keyed and held on with a nut and washer, not press fit like the old original style alternators so it is easy to replace. I went to an alternator repair shop and get a v-belt pulley for less than $20 so it's not that big a deal.
One issue may be the spacing between the belts on a multi "v" belt pulley, if you are using two belts? The electrical part is pretty easy.
I would switch to an electronic voltage regulator, but the stock mechanical one should work if you ground one field wire (the other connected to the mechanical regulator.)
With the electronic regulator the +12 volt switched power that went to the mechanical regulator would now connect to the new electronic regulator AND one of the alternator field connections. The other field connection would run back to the regulator.
The Alternator output terminal, connect the stock output wiring and add another 10-AWG wire that connects back to the battery positive (or Starter safety relay BATT connection) through a fuseable link. Thats really all you need.
For high draw loads like the radiator fan, you should add another connection/wire to the alternator output stud to get power directly from the alternator.

Not sure where your at in Colorado, but if your around the Denver area I could give you a hand if you need help.



Sounds like I am getting all the answers now. Thanks! I think I have all I need now. Someone at some point upgraded to a square back alternator at some point. I have found the pulley I need too (early 90's van & truck), they are just a B*&%$h to get off in the u-pull yard. Since you mentioned I'll check out the spacing on the actual new pulley and see if it's spaced the same as the original one.
I'm down in Parker, not too far from you in Aurora. I may take you up on your offer! I'll keep you posted.

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 68FuryIIIColo] #1093814
10/17/11 06:17 PM
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I was just at the Kaiser Medical building in Parker.
Got a sinus infection - yuck.
Anyhow, post a photo if the back of the alternator.
It should have the two wire plug in connector?
Either regulator will work, they just wire up a bit different.
Here's a photo of how I mounted my alternator.

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Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 451Mopar] #1093815
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I was just at the Kaiser Medical building in Parker.
Got a sinus infection - yuck.
Anyhow, post a photo if the back of the alternator.
It should have the two wire plug in connector?
Either regulator will work, they just wire up a bit different.
Here's a photo of how I mounted my alternator.



Nice looking setup! My alternator has 2 post with nuts holding on the big black connector then one thicker post for the battery/relay feed. I'll post a pic when I get home...on the downside of this Monday at work.

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 68FuryIIIColo] #1093816
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Here are a couple pictures of the alternator I got. Like I said it does not have the 2 pin plug on the back but it has 2 wire studs on the back. Now, how does this wire in? I am using an old style solid state (electronic) regulator not the 1970+ electronic regulator.
Thanks


Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 68FuryIIIColo] #1093817
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so take the field wire from your vr and wire it to one of the field wires.

take another wire and wire it to the other field wire and ground it somewhere. some people ground to the case.

and big wire to charge the battery as normal.

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: Andrewh] #1093818
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so take the field wire from your vr and wire it to one of the field wires.

take another wire and wire it to the other field wire and ground it somewhere. some people ground to the case.

and big wire to charge the battery as normal.



Well cool. That is just how my squareback is set up now.
Thanks,

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: Andrewh] #1093819
10/19/11 10:18 PM
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so take the field wire from your vr and wire it to one of the field wires.

take another wire and wire it to the other field wire and ground it somewhere. some people ground to the case.

and big wire to charge the battery as normal.




That should work

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 451Mopar] #1093820
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Thanks everyone for their help on my alternator conversion. Very cost effective. From the U-Pull yard in Denver I got a Denso 146amp alternator out of a Durango $25, Mopar/Wells electronic regulator and harness $5, and the proper dual v belt pulley $0. I had to go to Advanced auto and get a Mr Gasket alternator bracket for like $12 with my discount and a couple longer belts. I have allot of wire from old projects and audio installs so I re-purposed that as well as a 150 amp fuse and holder in the 4 gauge wire from the alternator output to the battery. Real simple install and just had to narrow the alternator bracket just a little to have the alternator fit like it was meant to be there. I did bypass the amp gauge and used a Sunpro voltmeter to monitor the electrical. I modified the gauge to make it blend in with the dash in the truck.
Great upgrade for the modifications I have planned like a Viper cooling fan, EFI, and an audio system. Here are a few pics...





Thanks again for everyone's insight on my little project!

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 68FuryIIIColo] #1093821
11/22/11 04:03 PM
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Those Denso alternators are great. 146 amp is overkill IMHO. But I guess you are planning adding a lot of electrical draw.

I went with and internal regulated Denso off a Suzuki Samuari. Advertised at 45-50 amps. Super easy wiring. I was able to modify a stock alternator bracket and just make the right spacers. Mine is awesome at idle at night with all my electrical on. Not even a flicker.

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Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: autoxcuda] #1093822
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Those Denso alternators are great. 146 amp is overkill IMHO.


Is there any prob w them other than more money for a higher amp unit? I'm assuming in use it'd have a shorter duty cycle which'd be good. More info on the fuse you used, the 150 amp


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Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: RapidRobert] #1093823
11/22/11 09:51 PM
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Nicely done. Looks like it always belonged there.

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 68FuryIIIColo] #1093824
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Looks nice! Hows that Poly 318 run?

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: RapidRobert] #1093825
11/23/11 01:32 AM
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At the U-pull yard ANY alternator is $25, I was looking for at least a 120 amp but then saw this one, Googled the part number on my Android and found it was a 146 amp!!! Sweet, just had to use a bigger fuse and wires. I used a mini ANL fuse I had in the parts bin in the line to the battery. I rated it as just a little over the maximum rating of the alternator just in case it starts to over charge...

Re: Upgrade to High Amp alternator on my 65...Advice? [Re: 451Mopar] #1093826
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Looks nice! Hows that Poly 318 run?



I love my Poly! Allot of guys are critical about keeping the old Poly instead of a LA or Magnum motor in it's place. It starts and runs great, keeps up with traffic on the highway and just runs. I put an a518 overdrive behind it and sits at 2100 RPM at 70 mph. Next is a Holley Pro Jection TB with a Megasquirt. The Poly motors have to be uncorked so I put a 4bbl on it for now and have the headers ready to go in it.

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